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Old 09-19-2012   #61
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Right. Let's just hope it's not in the playoffs.
This will be bumped when he scores a TD in the AFC championship game.
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This will be bumped when he scores a TD in the AFC championship game.
It will also be bumped if he costs us a playoff game like Jacoby Jones did.
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He needs work on punts. It seems that if a punter puts the ball away from him he has trouble catching it while running. On kickoffs, I'm fine with him bringing just about everything out. He's usually going to wind up around the 20 or beyond and the chances that he breaks one increase every time he takes it out. If I were Kubes I would sit him down and drill it into him that he needs to work on catching the ball and then running on punts.

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He needs work on punts. It seems that if a punter puts the ball away from him he has trouble catching it while running. On kickoffs, I'm fine with him bringing just about everything out. He's usually going to wind up around the 20 or beyond and the chances that he breaks one increase every time he takes it out. If I were Kubes I would sit him down and drill it into him that he needs to work on catching the ball and then running on punts.

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I would tend to agree with you. However, if the "protective" return team continues to play as poorly as they have so far and gives him as little time before our opponents are in his face, I will remain understanding of a player that shows some semblance of hesitancy and "schiziness" whenever the ball comes his way.
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Still wondering when he's gonna do something. That east-west punt return for 2 yards was very Jacoby-esque, no blocks in the back today at least.
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Default Re: Trindon Holliday is an accident waiting to happen

Does Holliday even practice with the rest of theam? I'd have him and the punter just practice catching punts all day every day in practice until he gets it right. I'm less concerned about kickoffs because he has time to recover, but the punt can get tricky especially with guys ready to take you out if you miss.

I would much rather have a sure fair catch every time than a small percentage of a fumble on any given punt return and a small percent chance of a TD.
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Does Holliday even practice with the rest of theam? I'd have him and the punter just practice catching punts all day every day in practice until he gets it right. I'm less concerned about kickoffs because he has time to recover, but the punt can get tricky especially with guys ready to take you out if you miss.

I would much rather have a sure fair catch every time than a small percentage of a fumble on any given punt return and a small percent chance of a TD.
Trindon didn't really have much to work with today. We knew all kickoffs were going straight through the end zone. He does seem more hesitant back there, though, compared to pre-season.

One thing I always wondered, though... on obvious un-returnable punts, why not stick a sure-handed receiver back there? For example, if the punter is kicking between the 40s, most likely he's kicking it high and simply try to pin the team inside the 20. 95% of the time, these punts aren't returned. So why have Trindon back there? Why not put a guy that is proven to have good hands and make good decisions? For all other punts that are "returnable", then stick the playmaker back there.
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Not a fan of him standing still for 5 seconds before running. Get the 5 yards you can get sometimes.
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Not a fan of him standing still for 5 seconds before running. Get the 5 yards you can get sometimes.
This was the same complaint against Jacoby. Maybe this is what they are being coached to do?
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This was the same complaint against Jacoby. Maybe this is what they are being coached to do?
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I think it would be more interesting if he caught it and ran around in a few circles before taking off one way or another.
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Default Re: Trindon Holliday is an accident waiting to happen

He is Jacoby Jones. Just smaller and not as good of a wide receiver. I just have a bad gut feeling that this guy is going to cost us a game -- I just hope it isn't a playoff game.

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I think we are overly nervous because of the Jacoby Jones debacle we have lived thru the past 4 years.

I am always nervous on punt returns. Pisses me off that I am that way.
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Default Re: Trindon Holliday is an accident waiting to happen

Trindon is discovering that KR/PR is alot different in the regular season than against the wanna be's in the preseason.

How long has it been since coach Joe had an above avg ST's?

He's the root of the problem. IMHO
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Trindon is discovering that KR/PR is alot different in the regular season than against the wanna be's in the preseason.

How long has it been since coach Joe had an above avg ST's?

He's the root of the problem.
IMHO

Where the wedge went, so went the STs. Joe has never been able to adapt.

Holliday has been in there also as "gunner." I remember one returner he nailed to the wall.

BTW, on NFL.com Box Score, Casey is listed as being a kick returner on one play (0 yds). I don't remember this. Of course, that same listing shows Holliday fielding 4 punt returns with 0 kick returns?????????????
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Still wondering when he's gonna do something. That east-west punt return for 2 yards was very Jacoby-esque, no blocks in the back today at least.
No, running backwards first Jacoby-esque. I haven't seen him take a single step backwards.





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Not a fan of him standing still for 5 seconds before running. Get the 5 yards you can get sometimes.
I was ok with this, wait for someone to run out if their lane. Still not running backwards.

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Default Re: Trindon Holliday is an accident waiting to happen

I don't really think people question his ability more like his intelligence. What 5'5" man in his right mind would return kick-offs & punts in the NFL with thugs twice his own size trying to knock his block off?
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Where the wedge went, so went the STs. Joe has never been able to adapt.

Holliday has been in there also as "gunner." I remember one returner he nailed to the wall.

BTW, on NFL.com Box Score, Casey is listed as being a kick returner on one play (0 yds). I don't remember this. Of course, that same listing shows Holliday fielding 4 punt returns with 0 kick returns?????????????
He picked up the squib kick at the end of the first half.
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The guy makes me more nervous than Jacoby ever did. Put Forsett back there, and let him get after it.
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The guy makes me more nervous than Jacoby ever did. Put Forsett back there, and let him get after it.
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Forsett is a very good return man in his own right. Alot more sure handed.

Holliday is doing alot better as a gunner than I thought he would.
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I'd also rather have Manning returning kickoffs and let anyone else return punts. That'd allow us to activate Brooks or Posey or, my favorite, Pleasant from the PS. Holliday is a pre-season wonder and isn't worth a roster spot.
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