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Old 09-20-2012   #61
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I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.

If someone stole from him he should get his money back however there is no telling if that money exist anymore. Im not sure the default should be the assumption that he was stolen from though. There has been indications that he wasted money on his own and that alone could have put him where he is today
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I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.
I don't know that Vince Young himself (the person) is hated so much. It's everything else.

Let's see.

1.) Bud Adams forced his staff to draft Vince Young as a bird flip to the city of Houston for starters. The first thing he did after he drafted Vince was to bring him back to Houston and parade him around town as an "in your face" I have your hometown hero.

2.) Hordes of "fans" start hating the Texans for not drafting Vince. Hundreds maybe more start showing up to Reliant wearing Titans jerseys demonstrating their hate for the Texans and their love for Vince. Disregarding that he is playing for that evil guy that took our team away from us in the first place.

3.) Vince wins an OT game against the Texans and starts running around Reliant mouthing "this is my house!" to the glee of his retarded fanboys.

4.) In Austin, they start showing Titans games instead of Texans games as a result of all of this. In Austin for a couple of seasons one was seriously hated on for being a Texans fan because of Vince. I can't recall how many times I was called an "NFL Aggy" for being a Texans fan.

5.) Vince starts his downward spiral and his fanboys come up with the most absurd excuses blaming everyone and their mom but not Vince himself. Most can be found here http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...se-Vince-Young

Do you really have to ask why there is so much animosity against Vince Young on a Texans board?
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I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.
Come on now this is not tragic. Like I said if his poor desicion making led to hiring amatuer mangement (and possibly thieves) that stole from him they return his money. Those 5.5 million should keep him in the black for a good 3 years. I'll admit it is funny in a pathetic way to me. I laugh because this is jsut another case of another dumb athlete that squanders his lottery ticket. The reason I think some people hear are feeling empathy for him is because he's a local guy. Too bad, sometimes local guys screw up big. I don't need to celebrate buy I'm not going to act like this guy is just a victim without any personal responsibility.
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I have no animosity toward the man. Figure I should disclaimer that because some seem to think any criticism of the guy means we wish he was dead or something.

As evidenced by those articles, VY is just stupid. And I'm not going to apologize for not feeling sorry for stupid.

You mix stupid with arrogance and give it lots of money, and what you end up with is a bankrupt entertainer.

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VY was just redistributing the wealth...he's a big Obama fan.
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I have no animosity toward the man. Figure I should disclaimer that because some seem to think any criticism of the guy means we wish he was dead or something.

As evidenced by those articles, VY is just stupid. And I'm not going to apologize for not feeling sorry for stupid.

You mix stupid with arrogance and give it lots of money, and what you end up with is a bankrupt entertainer.

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Sucks for him but I don't feel sorry for him either. He is not a victim. Sure he had financial advisors and an agent that took advantage of him but he should've at least been overseeing them. Do we not check our own bank accounts to make sure the banks didn't make a mistake, or seebsome other weird charges show-up? Do we not question our bank(s) when something looks fishy?.... Absolutely. Be responsible for self...
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It's too bad.

I hate to see any athlete fall into the too often taken path of losing what they earned in the very small window they have to monetize their skills & hard work.
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Sucks for him but I don't feel sorry for him either. He is not a victim. Sure he had financial advisors and an agent that took advantage of him but he should've at least been overseeing them. Do we not check our own bank accounts to make sure the banks didn't make a mistake, or seebsome other weird charges show-up? Do we not question our bank(s) when something looks fishy?.... Absolutely. Be responsible for self...

What did his financial advisors and agent do to take advantage of him?
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I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here.
Speaking only for myself, hatred is way too strong a word. I don't wish the man any real harm, including being ripped off like he has been. As I said upthread, I feel a little bad for him. What I think has been reflected in this thread by myself and others is a reaction based on a few things:

1.) Vindication: There were a lot of us who didn't want VY taken by the Texans, and it had nothing to do with Mario or Bush. I was hoping for Ferguson, as a few long-timers may remember. Irrespective of anyone else's performance, I did not think VY would be a good NFL QB. And as fans, we were basically told what idiots we were and that we were awful people for not supporting the hometown guy. Then the people calling us idiots showed up to a home game vs. the Tacks wearing VY jerseys. So yeah, this whole ordeal is just one more giant FU to the VY nuthuggers that pissed me off back then. That's not really directed at VY, but he's at the center of it, of course.

2.) A desire to see the man get a dose of humility: There's some envy involved (I'll hit that next), but not nearly as much as you'd think. Most people don't go around complaining about how Matt Schaub just signed a ridiculous extension because of the money. They may be concerned with the health concerns, performance issues, etc., but not too many people complaining that Schaub bought a mansion somewhere, or whatever. Contrast that with VY or any of the other ego-driven failures in big sports. These guys hit the genetic lottery and the football jackpot together. So to see someone not only waste God's gift, but also to be such an egomaniac (see VY quotes I posted upthread), it rubs people the wrong way. Be thankful for the good fortune you've received in life and honor those gifts by going out and trying your hardest. I don't think anyone but the last few deluded souls believe that VY has tried his hardest or taken responsibility for his career yet.

3.) Envy - I throw this in here because it's inevitable that people will be envious of people in a better station of life than themselves. VY made a crapload of money, so yeah, I'm envious. But I'm envious of Bob McNair for having a crapload of money. Name any other ultra-wealthy guy and I'm envious of them, too. I'd like to have allt hat money. But you don't hear me saying bad things about other ultra-wealthy guys, do you?

Truth be told, I really don't care much at all one way or another about VY. As I said upthread, this is all just message board fodder. I haven't talked about VY with a single person in my real life. I haven't cared enough about him to raise the topic with any of my friends that I BS around with, and they haven't cared enough about him to raise it either. I'll come on here and post because I enjoy the banter, but it affects my life not one bit. VY doesn't raise my B.P. one single point, so hatred is way too strong a term, and hell, I'm not even sure animosity isn't too strong.
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I don't know that Vince Young himself (the person) is hated so much. It's everything else.

Let's see.

1.) Bud Adams forced his staff to draft Vince Young as a bird flip to the city of Houston for starters. The first thing he did after he drafted Vince was to bring him back to Houston and parade him around town as an "in your face" I have your hometown hero.

2.) Hordes of "fans" start hating the Texans for not drafting Vince. Hundreds maybe more start showing up to Reliant wearing Titans jerseys demonstrating their hate for the Texans and their love for Vince. Disregarding that he is playing for that evil guy that took our team away from us in the first place.

3.) Vince wins an OT game against the Texans and starts running around Reliant mouthing "this is my house!" to the glee of his retarded fanboys.

4.) In Austin, they start showing Titans games instead of Texans games as a result of all of this. In Austin for a couple of seasons one was seriously hated on for being a Texans fan because of Vince. I can't recall how many times I was called an "NFL Aggy" for being a Texans fan.

5.) Vince starts his downward spiral and his fanboys come up with the most absurd excuses blaming everyone and their mom but not Vince himself. Most can be found here http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...se-Vince-Young

Do you really have to ask why there is so much animosity against Vince Young on a Texans board?
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Speaking only for myself, hatred is way too strong a word. I don't wish the man any real harm, including being ripped off like he has been. As I said upthread, I feel a little bad for him. What I think has been reflected in this thread by myself and others is a reaction based on a few things:

1.) Vindication: There were a lot of us who didn't want VY taken by the Texans, and it had nothing to do with Mario or Bush. I was hoping for Ferguson, as a few long-timers may remember. Irrespective of anyone else's performance, I did not think VY would be a good NFL QB. And as fans, we were basically told what idiots we were and that we were awful people for not supporting the hometown guy. Then the people calling us idiots showed up to a home game vs. the Tacks wearing VY jerseys. So yeah, this whole ordeal is just one more giant FU to the VY nuthuggers that pissed me off back then. That's not really directed at VY, but he's at the center of it, of course.

2.) A desire to see the man get a dose of humility: There's some envy involved (I'll hit that next), but not nearly as much as you'd think. Most people don't go around complaining about how Matt Schaub just signed a ridiculous extension because of the money. They may be concerned with the health concerns, performance issues, etc., but not too many people complaining that Schaub bought a mansion somewhere, or whatever. Contrast that with VY or any of the other ego-driven failures in big sports. These guys hit the genetic lottery and the football jackpot together. So to see someone not only waste God's gift, but also to be such an egomaniac (see VY quotes I posted upthread), it rubs people the wrong way. Be thankful for the good fortune you've received in life and honor those gifts by going out and trying your hardest. I don't think anyone but the last few deluded souls believe that VY has tried his hardest or taken responsibility for his career yet.

3.) Envy - I throw this in here because it's inevitable that people will be envious of people in a better station of life than themselves. VY made a crapload of money, so yeah, I'm envious. But I'm envious of Bob McNair for having a crapload of money. Name any other ultra-wealthy guy and I'm envious of them, too. I'd like to have allt hat money. But you don't hear me saying bad things about other ultra-wealthy guys, do you?

Truth be told, I really don't care much at all one way or another about VY. As I said upthread, this is all just message board fodder. I haven't talked about VY with a single person in my real life. I haven't cared enough about him to raise the topic with any of my friends that I BS around with, and they haven't cared enough about him to raise it either. I'll come on here and post because I enjoy the banter, but it affects my life not one bit. VY doesn't raise my B.P. one single point, so hatred is way too strong a term, and hell, I'm not even sure animosity isn't too strong.



So envy is why you didnt care for VY's big contract? I admire a lot of wealthy people who have had to work hard but I dont envy them or lotto winners. Another free life lesson to cash in on
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So envy is why you didnt care for VY's big contract?
LOL, you read all that and THAT's the conclusion you arrived at? Another free life lesson for you - learn reading comprehension. Also, go ahead and put me on ignore; it'll make both of our message board lives better.
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LOL, you read all that and THAT's the conclusion you arrived at? Another free life lesson for you - learn reading comprehension. Also, go ahead and put me on ignore; it'll make both of our message board lives better.


I actually didnt need all that you typed there to see envy was part of the issue. I had that feeling the first time I questioned it and later you just confirmed it. I can read and comprehend just fine. There is no need for ignore because as you said this is just a message board so dont take it seriously enough for me to bother you
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I don't really understand the hatred and animosity towards Vince Young here. If he was ripped off by this guy, that is a tragedy and not something that anyone should want to celebrate.

Where does this kind of an attitude come from I wonder? Maybe envy, if we get right to the heart of the matter? Maybe just a perverse group thrill that some people seem to get from kicking a guy when he is down?

I understand that Vince Young did not live up to the hype that surrounded him and that the money he was paid appeared to exceed his productivity on the field. But truth be told, his contract was a function of where he was picked in the draft. The Titans picked him #3 in the 2006 draft by choice. Nobody made them do it. In fact, nobody was forced to have Vince Young on their team at all. The contract that Vince Young was paid under had two signatures on it, not just one.

This is a sad story that I hope is not yet over. To the extent that Vince squandered his wealth, that is a cautionary tale that seems to be told far too often regarding former athletes. To the extent that Vince was ripped off, I hope he gets his money back and the criminals who robbed him are put in prison for a long time.
Bringing back the VY hate at least takes away from all the heat Mario (and to a lesser extent) Eric Winston have been getting here lately.
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I don't know that Vince Young himself (the person) is hated so much. It's everything else.

Let's see.

1.) Bud Adams forced his staff to draft Vince Young as a bird flip to the city of Houston for starters. The first thing he did after he drafted Vince was to bring him back to Houston and parade him around town as an "in your face" I have your hometown hero.

2.) Hordes of "fans" start hating the Texans for not drafting Vince. Hundreds maybe more start showing up to Reliant wearing Titans jerseys demonstrating their hate for the Texans and their love for Vince. Disregarding that he is playing for that evil guy that took our team away from us in the first place.

3.) Vince wins an OT game against the Texans and starts running around Reliant mouthing "this is my house!" to the glee of his retarded fanboys.

4.) In Austin, they start showing Titans games instead of Texans games as a result of all of this. In Austin for a couple of seasons one was seriously hated on for being a Texans fan because of Vince. I can't recall how many times I was called an "NFL Aggy" for being a Texans fan.

5.) Vince starts his downward spiral and his fanboys come up with the most absurd excuses blaming everyone and their mom but not Vince himself. Most can be found here http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show...se-Vince-Young

Do you really have to ask why there is so much animosity against Vince Young on a Texans board?
Well said. I agree on all points. As I told someone yesterday: it's not about Vince, it's about his obnoxious fans. They are insufferable.
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Some times you have to love the Texans fanbase. Still butthurt over VY and Reggie, hate Mario now because he's with a different team, wish nothing but bad things for every ex-Texan who isn't named DeMeco.


What the **** do I care about Vince Young and Reggie Bush? I wanted Mario Williams from the jump. I have no asinine ties to college programs that dictate who I want to go where in the NFL.

I actually like Reggie Bush as a player, I still root for Mario to do well, and I still love DeMeco.

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Holy **** bro. Did he like personally come and punch you in the face, kick your dog, or spit on your girl (in between dancing shirtless with his boys)?

Far as his NFL career goes if Montreal does still own his rights still might not be a bad idea to go up still get some sort of reps with any football team. Of course that's assuming he still really wants it.

Far as his finances go, I do kind of feel for the dude on that and it continues to highlight the importance of things like the rookie symposium and other ways to get young NFL players an idea of how to handle their finances during and after their careers.
No actually, he did none of those things. I'm just suck of these dumb ass athletes blowing money and talent. Out here in the real world, people have to work and work HARD to sniff even a fraction of what this loser made on his first contract in the league. This loser was one of the most physically talented players to ever come into the league and he WASTED it. He could have made hundreds of millions of freakin' dollars through his playing career/endorsements and he WASTED it. And if he knows his career isn't panning out well, then save your ****ing money.

26 million dollars could and SHOULD last three very, very nice lifetimes for a family, and this douche blows it in five years or whatever it's been.


So if you can't understand why someone would hate a moron who would BLOW all that was HANDED to him, then you're beyond reproach.
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I have a problem with people who prey on and take advantage of people based on some type of kinship. Hey, TexansTalk is a family. Remember SWT. Homeboy told us he was a substance abuser, he changed jobs every two or so months, his fiance was a pharmacist, yet his family had to fill in the gap and pay his rent once, habitual gambler, yada, yada, yada. Then he came bearing dainties (jerseys). Because he was family, many did not second guess his sincerity and chose to purchase from him, win-win. It's unfortunate that those fans trusted and lost, but that doesn't mean they deserved to be ripped off.
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I have a problem with people who prey on and take advantage of people based on some type of kinship. Hey, TexansTalk is a family. Remember SWT. Homeboy told us he was a substance abuser, he changed jobs every two or so months, his fiance was a pharmacist, yet his family had to fill in the gap and pay his rent once, habitual gambler, yada, yada, yada. Then he came bearing dainties (jerseys). Because he was family, many did not second guess his sincerity and chose to purchase from him, win-win. It's unfortunate that those fans trusted and lost, but that doesn't mean they deserved to be ripped off.
I don't care if it was family or friendship, you ought to check your account balance every once in awhile. A couple million drop off the bottom line in a month, you bear some responsibility for figuring out how.
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I don't care if it was family or friendship, you ought to check your account balance every once in awhile. A couple million drop off the bottom line in a month, you bear some responsibility for figuring out how.
Makes sense, but since I don't have much money, I don't know a lot of the inner workings on investments and the type of stuff good financial advisors will do for their clients. I know many invest in many different ventures such as real estate, casinos and the like, and the question would be how long would it take to see something is terribly wrong when stocks tend to flucuate and sometime it takes a while to see a profit. Question also did Vince see some immediate profit and gave the sense that all is well, and then told when things were on the downside, that is to be expected because the market always bounces back. I wonder what the time frame was before it was more theft than market.
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If I had ever made that kind of money, the first thing I would have done is told all the "experts" who were going to "take care of me," since I didn't know how to handle money to HIT THE F'ING ROAD AND DON'T COME BACK!

You put your money mostly in savings, a little in checking (probably in a lot of different banks) and you don't risk anything unless YOU have taken the time to honestly feel that YOU can take the risk on investments of any kind.

I always liked the fact that Bum took Earl, showed him the nearest bank, and said, "Put your money in that bank right there," and either said or at least implied, "Don't trust anybody else and don't waste it..."

We all found out about the score of 6 on a wunderlic test. I knew the day I heard that that he would see this day within a decade and this is a guy who should have just stuck it in the bank and been ultra-conservative about it.
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