The improbable improvement of Kareem Jackson

[Texan_Bill]

While KJ has improved greatly, he is no better than Dunta!!! Not tha comparing him to Dunta is any great shakes!!! Hel'll get better, better than Dunta tho'!!!

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

While KJ has improved greatly, he is no better than Dunta!!! Not tha comparing him to Dunta is any great shakes!!! Hel'll get better, better than Dunta tho'!!!

Yeah but Dunta was CB1 KJ CB2.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

The footage that I noticed KJ on, I was pleasantly surprised. I thought that he was making pretty good breaks to the ball and was showing pretty strong recovery skills that have improved. Basing this off of one game of course, so don't take this as 100% correct. For all we know KJ will get burned by some rookie next week. But right now he played a pretty strong game in week one.

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

While KJ has improved greatly, he is no better than Dunta!!! Not tha comparing him to Dunta is any great shakes!!! Hel'll get better, better than Dunta tho'!!!

KJ still needs to keep improving, I agree.

[Premier]

anyone see on the kareem interception, he shoved hartline to the ground. hartline actually had the inside position to possibly make a catch on the batted ball.. i thought kj made a heads up play right there and that the INT didnt technically fall into his lap..

[kwayshauntay]

I just saw Antoine Cason trailing (not sure if he was in trail technique, but he was trailing), then turn his head, look up to locate the ball, and break up the pass.

I've seen CB's do this ever since I can remember.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by kwayshauntay

I just saw Antoine Cason trailing (not sure if he was in trail technique, but he was trailing), then turn his head, look up to locate the ball, and break up the pass.

I've seen CB's do this ever since I can remember.

When you see something, at least try to make a mental note of when the play happened; otherwise, we have no way of seeing what you were seeing.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by kwayshauntay

Not true. I watched Chris Culliver do it vs the Packers a couple of times. I notice these things now because every time I see a CB do it, I think, wow, why can't our 1st round pick Kareeem do that?

OK, so here's the one play I saw.

9:02 in the second quarter.
Culliver was right next to the receiver Jones near the side line.
The ball was underthrown, forcing the receiver to slow down while looking at the ball.
This gave Culliver just enough time to catch up.
He grabbed the receiver's shoulder's pad and then turned around to locate the ball.

This is what I was talking about; when you're in good position
(ie. you know exactly where the receiver is going - Culliver with a hand on the shoulder pad of the receiver). He was in-phase with the receiver; that's a good time to turn your head.

A PI should have been called (the commentator saw it that way).
But that's besides the point.

Because the ball was underthrown (or for whatever reason), the DB was in a good position to defend the pass,
and therefore, can afford to turn his head to locate the ball.

[76Texan]

A few plays later, at 7:40, Jones caught a 28-yd pass on Culliver.
On this play, Culliver was also in-phase (side by side) with the receiver; he never turned around to locate the ball.
Jones, however, extended his arm on the DB to get seperation and was called for offensive PI.

[76Texan]

At 1:43 in the third, the DB was temporarily in-phase with the TE Davis but was not close enough to the side-line; he never turned his head to locate the ball.

At :54 in the fourth, Culliver played off-man and was ahead of the receiver Nelson along the side-line.
Here, as I said, the DB is in good position, and should turn his head to locate the ball.
He did just that.
As the ball was thrown inside, Culliver was able to deflect it.
If the ball was thrown as a back-shoulder fade, Nelson would probably have had a catch, but that's besides the point (I only mention this to show the double-edge sword of trying to locate the ball).

[76Texan]

Wacth Romo's 40-yd TD pass to Ogletree in the third quarter against the Giants.
The replay should be there on NFL.com

The DB was in the shuffle and got beat by the receiver.
Instead of concentrating on recovering, he tried to look back at the ball and allowed even more separation.

Then watch the 34-yd TD pass to Austin in the fourth quarter.
Again, the DB got beat by the double-move.
Instead of making sure that he has the receiver in sight, he looked back and lost it all.
He could have defended that pass (or at least had a good shot at it).

[76Texan]

On the almost-TD pass to Jean, the Dolphins DB was pretty much in phase with the receiver, but he never turned his head to locate the ball. He wasn't quite close enough to the side line.

Turning his head wouldn't have helped him anyway.
By concentrating on the receiver's eyes and then the hand/arm;
he was able to put a hand on Jean's right shoulder and arm (just a hair before the ball arrived).
Jean couldn't gathered both hands together sooner to secure the catch.

Turning his head here would only hurt the CB more; he wouldn't be able to pin-point the arrival location of the ball.

Also, if it was a back-shoulder fade, the CB would have been in no position to defend the play.

[76Texan]

On the incompletion to Hartline down the middle to start the second half, I would have to wait until the coach's film comes out (I think on Wednesday sometimes) to see the play more closely.

At any rate, KJ was on the receiver like glue; even if the pass was on target, he would have been in good position to defend it.

[b0ng]

God tomorrow can't get here fast enough with the All-22 footage.

[CretorFrigg]

KJ wasn't terrible. He was good in coverage, stuck to his receiver. He just needs to learn to locate the ball. He has no sense of where the ball is whatsoever, and that's what's getting him burned.

[76Texan]

On AJ's 29-yd catch down the right side line in the fourth,
the CB was beaten by a double move and cannot afford to look back to the ball.
He was able to push AJ out of bound at the 3-yd line.
He would have given up a TD by turning his head to look at the ball.

[76Texan]

Right after the 2-min warning, J Jo was defending a pass along the (offensive) left side line. He was ahead of the receiver but never turned his head to locate the ball.

The ball was a little short and outside such that the receiver could not get to it.

It was thrown around 15-16 yards from the LOS.
This is before the point where a receiver declares his intention (the top of his stem) and that was why JJo had not turned his head yet.

[76Texan]

Another play where KJ defended well was the flag route ran by Hartline with 9:08 to go.

The pass overthrown and out of bound, otherwise, Jackson would have been in perfect position for a break up.
And if it was a poorly-thrown pass, KJ would have had an excellent chance at an INT.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by CretorFrigg

KJ wasn't terrible. He was good in coverage, stuck to his receiver. He just needs to learn to locate the ball. He has no sense of where the ball is whatsoever, and that's what's getting him burned.

I'm going to have to agree with 76 on this one. We can't expect the corner to turn his head every time. Some times it's just not practical. Since he first mentioned it, I've been watching & too many times the CB doesn't turn his head & there appears to be commonalities between those instances. Like the TD fade to Andre. Unless that CB has major ups, turning his head would have made it much worse. Instead, he kept his eyes on AJ & made it a difficult catch. (perfect throw by the way).



I've never played DB (too slow) so I've never been coached. But on the Hartline catch we're talking about, Kj was more or less behind the receiver who was being led pretty good. Had he turned to find the ball, I don't think he would have had a shot at it or the tackle.

In that case, I can see a coach telling his player to play the man, watch his eyes, get his hands in the receivers view. Don't touch the receiver, but get his hands between the receivers elbows or something to make it difficult for him to pull the ball in.

[kwayshauntay]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

When you see something, at least try to make a mental note of when the play happened; otherwise, we have no way of seeing what you were seeing.

Antoine Cason (2008 1st round pick, 27th overall)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M4xTUOOCDk...600/cason1.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oVyOj8lnO-...600/cason2.gif

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kpn-hHVTux...600/cason3.gif

[kwayshauntay]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

OK, so here's the one play I saw.

9:02 in the second quarter.
Culliver was right next to the receiver Jones near the side line.
The ball was underthrown, forcing the receiver to slow down while looking at the ball.
This gave Culliver just enough time to catch up.
He grabbed the receiver's shoulder's pad and then turned around to locate the ball.

This is what I was talking about; when you're in good position
(ie. you know exactly where the receiver is going - Culliver with a hand on the shoulder pad of the receiver). He was in-phase with the receiver; that's a good time to turn your head.

A PI should have been called (the commentator saw it that way).
But that's besides the point.

Because the ball was underthrown (or for whatever reason), the DB was in a good position to defend the pass,
and therefore, can afford to turn his head to locate the ball.

I remembered incorrectly. It was Tarell Brown (2007 5th round pick) that had the head-turn, locate-the-ball play that stuck out in my mind (2:05 1st Quarter).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LcmdhRlhwx...ell_brown2.gif

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ryRmgjn8A9...ell_brown3.gif


Culliver (2011 3rd round pick) did have that play you mentioned where he got away with a jersey grab. The point is, he still turned his head to locate the ball. He demonstrated that he has that basic cornerback instinct, at least on this play.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-L1O2gzi4Ly.../culliver1.gif



And also on this play

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ih8wU1MxSn...ulliver2at.gif

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eLU-GCfSPt...culliver2b.gif

On similar plays, where the ball was underthrown, how many times the last two years have we seen Kareem never turn his head to locate the ball, and instead just flail and run into the guy?