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Old 09-10-2012   #81
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I mentioned that in the preseason. Matt has looked sharper since his return to me. I hope he can keep it up.
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That's what I'm saying.
Agreed. If this was as straightforward and obvious as it appears, why would there be a requirement to notify the league of the intent to roll it over? Why not simply say any unused cap at the end of one league year will be rolled over automatically to the next league year?

I can't imagine a reason for not carrying it over, but what would be the purpose of requiring notification if teams should want to roll it over 100% of the time?
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I get the feeling there's more to this new cap structure than we as fans know about?
What makes you say that? There are always things going on behind the scenes that the fans are not privy to, such as this from yesterday:

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To free up $4 mil in cap money, texans redid Johnathan Joseph and gave him money he owed now.

Jamison was already on the roster getting minimum money though, so his contract should have no impact on their cap aside from signing bonus (if there was any). I haven't seen anything about what years two and three are worth though, so maybe that's why he signed in hopes that he would make 2 million next year or maybe they guaranteed all of year two. I don't know, but I can't understand why anyone would sign a 3 year minimum deal.
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It's the same thing as the Duane Brown re-signing, the contracts will take effect in the 2013 season and beyond, so no impact to this year unless they wanted it to. That's not to say they couldn't have modified his 2012 salary and restructured that in the process, but if anything that caphit would go down. Any signing bonuses can be paid now, but that will only effect the cap based on how they decided to structure the deal.
I think Beerlover has a point, DR in that 2013 cap is to be about same as '12. With contracts escalating and huge amounts paid to Brown and Foster and Myers, where did or will the money for Matt come from? This makes me think my historical posts in other threads about cap numbers may have been correct. My numbers seem to compare with John Clayton's & Schaub's extension makes sense under Clayton's scenario. Joseph's re-structuring freed up $4m reportedly so I guess that could allow next season's hit on Matt. 2012 cap supposedly about $8m +$4m from JJ.

Or maybe that $4m will be for Barwin and Clayton's numbers of about $15m left for 2013 after D. Brown signed went to Schaub?
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Until the details come out and we can see the actual cap hit.. But right now it sound about 10 mil more than I expected.
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I think Beerlover has a point, DR in that 2013 cap is to be about same as '12. With contracts escalating and huge amounts paid to Brown and Foster and Myers, where did or will the money for Matt come from? This makes me think my historical posts in other threads about cap numbers may have been correct. My numbers seem to compare with John Clayton's & Schaub's extension makes sense under Clayton's scenario. Joseph's re-structuring freed up $4m reportedly so I guess that could allow next season's hit on Matt. 2012 cap supposedly about $8m +$4m from JJ.

Or maybe that $4m will be for Barwin and Clayton's numbers of about $15m left for 2013 after D. Brown signed went to Schaub?
He said "where is the money coming from if we were just over the cap recently?" I responded that it won't make a difference in the 2012 cap unless they want it to. The Texans are in control of their contracts, they know the cap and I'm sure they are taking into account the fact that they have bills to pay. He didn't mention the NFL cap changing, or anything like that. There's plenty that can be done when it comes to new contracts, all that matters is how you allocate the money.

The money for Schaub and Brown is coming from Demeco, Winston, Jacoby, Leinart, etc's dead money. It's also coming from guys that have expiring contracts like Butler and Cody, and what was previously expiring in Schaub at nearly 10 million this year. I think Clayton was right with his 24 million dollar prediction, but I think we have used it all up now with Schaub and Brown re-signing. I imagine that the Jamison signing was to bolster the DE corps due to the impending loss of Antonio Smith as a cap casualty, unless they can work out an extension and restructure. There's still plenty that can be done about the 2013 cap, so I think we are just fine now.

As far as the 2013 cap goes, if they freed up 4 million through Jjo, then that money gets spread evenly over the remaining three years of his deal. That means you need to take 1.33 million out of next year's cap, but the remainder from this year can be rolled over. No harm there as JJos isn't getting cut any time soon.

I'm guessing that Schaub got a signing bonus of about 10 million that is being prorated over this year and the four of the extension, so they needed that cushion to make room for it in 2012. They probably wanted some more space in case someone gets injured later in the season and they need to sign more guys.
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http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...act-extension/

Rick Smith says it all. So worst case scenario we franchise tag Barwin and move on to other players we have to resign. As of now we are 3.5mil under the cap
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Rick Smith says it all. So worst case scenario we franchise tag Barwin and move on to other players we have to resign. As of now we are 3.5mil under the cap
Thanks for posting, I enjoyed the read. I would be surprised if Barwin signs for $10m in Houston or if we tag him. Way too much.
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Rick Smith says it all. So worst case scenario we franchise tag Barwin and move on to other players we have to resign. As of now we are 3.5mil under the cap
Interesting quote from that article:

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Joseph’s base salary this season was supposed to be $7.25 million. The Texans converted a portion of his base salary into signing bonus, which Joseph will receive right away. That move freed up $3.75 million that helped them sign Schaub, whose extension starts in 2013 and expires after the 2016 season when he’ll be 35.
So........ it sounds to me like they turned 5 million of his base salary this year into a signing bonus which is paid out now. 1.25 million of it hits the cap each year for four years. Good to know.
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Ya the franchise Tag seems a little steep for Barwin,but gota do what you gota do. after Mario got hurt I think the Texans are looking at it as can't have to many pass rushers especially versatile ones.
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Now. RT @GregR_FBG Does Schaub's prorated $17.5m signing bonus hit the cap in 2012, or not until 2013?
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That's salary only and doesn't include roster, signing and workout bonuses. It also doesn't give a good indication of the average caphit per year, which is really what matters.
Right in the end this is all that matters to me. In the end this looks like it could be a cap friendly deal especially if they are considering drafting his replacement or continue to develop Yates or Keenum by the time the backend of this deal hits.

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When did this happen. I can't believe I missed that the Texans even made an offer, let alone Barwin refusing it.
Right kind of curious too, but he's got to figure with a lot of teams moving towards or have moved towards 3-4 Defenses he's going to find a team that's going to be willing to pay him. I guess I have kind of figured the Texans have really done contracts this past year in terms of who is most important.

Foster got his deal first, undoubtedly the guy makes this offense run most rushing TDs in the league the past two years and IMO best all around RB in the league.

Myers was needed to solidify this line and got a fair deal.

Brown has grown into a top LT in the league.

I am pretty sure they wanted to extend Schaub but wanted to wait until the cap hit would take effect on next year's cap.

I am glad they added Jamison to the team on a value deal for a guy who might not be a double digit sack guy but, one who is usually active and great in rotation.
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Per Rotoworld:

Signing Bonus: $17.5 Million (Guaranteed)
2012 Salary:$4.4 Million (Guaranteed)
2013 Salary: $7.25 Million (Guaranteed)
2014 Salary: $10 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2015 Salary: $12.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2016 Salary: $14.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2017: Free Agent

Total Contract Amount $66.15 Million
Total Guaranteed Amount $29.15 Million
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Note: The figures below are my estimate/guess:
2012 Cap Hit: $11.7 Million (Assuming Spotrac's $3.8 million of unamortized bonus on the old contract is correct)
2013 Cap Hit: $10.75 Million
2014 Cap Hit: $14.5 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2015 Cap Hit: $17 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2016 Cap Hit $19 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)

2012 cap hit is $750,000 more than 2012 cap hit under previous contract.
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Signing Bonus: $17.5 Million (Guaranteed)
2012 Salary:$4.4 Million (Guaranteed)
2013 Salary: $7.25 Million (Guaranteed)
2014 Salary: $10 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2015 Salary: $12.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2016 Salary: $14.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2017: Free Agent

Total Contract Amount $66.15 Million
Total Guaranteed Amount $29.15 Million
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Note: The figures below are my estimate/guess:
2012 Cap Hit: $11.7 Million (Assuming Spotrac's $3.8 million of unamortized bonus on the old contract is correct)
2013 Cap Hit: $10.75 Million
2014 Cap Hit: $14.5 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2015 Cap Hit: $17 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2016 Cap Hit $19 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)

2012 cap hit is $750,000 more than 2012 cap hit under previous contract.
So did they alter his salary for this year, because he was set to make something like 7.2 million? Going down to 4.4 this year is a significant savings, but it's offset by the new signing bonus.

This is a hefty contract, and I think it ensures Schaub will be the QB through 2014. After that though, there's no telling.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ver-two-years/

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So did they alter his salary for this year, because he was set to make something like 7.2 million? Going down to 4.4 this year is a significant savings, but it's offset by the new signing bonus.

This is a hefty contract, and I think it ensures Schaub will be the QB through 2014. After that though, there's no telling.
Yeah, not counting the roster bonuses in the final three years, it's a 5-year $66.15 million with $59 Million being new money, and $7.15 being previously committed money.
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Per Rotoworld:

Signing Bonus: $17.5 Million (Guaranteed)
2012 Salary:$4.4 Million (Guaranteed)
2013 Salary: $7.25 Million (Guaranteed)
2014 Salary: $10 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2015 Salary: $12.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2016 Salary: $14.5 Million (plus $1 Million in "Per game" roster bonus)
2017: Free Agent

Total Contract Amount $66.15 Million
Total Guaranteed Amount $29.15 Million
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Note: The figures below are my estimate/guess:
2012 Cap Hit: $11.7 Million (Assuming Spotrac's $3.8 million of unamortized bonus on the old contract is correct)
2013 Cap Hit: $10.75 Million
2014 Cap Hit: $14.5 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2015 Cap Hit: $17 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2016 Cap Hit $19 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)

2012 cap hit is $750,000 more than 2012 cap hit under previous contract.
Thanks for posting. A very good contract. CT since my head is spinning from an inner ear infection, could you tally what it will cost IF Matt is cut after 2013 or 14? I know the bonus pro-rated would be forced into the "cut year" but I'm thinking about $7m if cut after 2014. If true this is an amazing contract for a QB fitting our O scheme so well.
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Note: The figures below are my estimate/guess:
2012 Cap Hit: $11.7 Million (Assuming Spotrac's $3.8 million of unamortized bonus on the old contract is correct)
2013 Cap Hit: $10.75 Million
2014 Cap Hit: $14.5 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2015 Cap Hit: $17 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)
2016 Cap Hit $19 Million (Assuming 16 games on the roster)

2012 cap hit is $750,000 more than 2012 cap hit under previous contract.
So we're paying him $10+M/yr. Is that elite QB money still?

Looking at that & figuring $4.3M/yr prorated bonus money, we'll take a $12.9M hit after 2013 if we decide his time is done, or take a $14M hit to keep him as a "veteran back-up"
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"So it’s a two-year, $29.15 million deal, with a year-to-year option on the rest."


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So we're paying him $10+M/yr. Is that elite QB money still?

Looking at that & figuring $4.3M/yr prorated bonus money, we'll take a $12.9M hit after 2013 if we decide his time is done, or take a $14M hit to keep him as a "veteran back-up"
Not my read as after '14 salary not guaranteed only the bonus which would be pushed into the year cut as I said earlier post if I'm correct.
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Default Re: Matt Schaub Signs Extension

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Originally Posted by badboy View Post
Not my read as after '14 salary not guaranteed only the bonus which would be pushed into the year cut as I said earlier post if I'm correct.
That's what I'm saying. We won't pay his salary, but we'll take a hit for three years of remaining prorated bonus... $4.3 (2014) + $4.3 (2015) + $4.3 (2016) = $12.9M

If he plays, his salary plus $4.3 = $14.something Million
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