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Old 08-22-2012   #181
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I don't think I've read anyone saying Walter is as good as McCaffrey was, but rather they had similar roles, which I don't think is outlandish.
I agree with this. They played similar roles and the production wasn't wildly different. Flip the script and Rod Smith isn't up to the caliber of Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub isn't John Elway either...but they played similar roles.
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I think KW has had it. A good blocker is only good on 1st & 2nd down. He is more of a liability as a receiver now that he is 31 years old. Ancient in the game of football. He was never that fleet of foot and now he doesn't have the agility needed to make the moves a good WR has to have. It is time to go to the new blood.
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Thank you, saved me some typing. MSR for the overall post.

When Walter is retired or replaced, people will ***** about the next #2 WR because he will not be able to step into the #1 role. But Kubiak's offense is not designed that way, and it's not going to have #1a and #1b on both sides of the field.
This.

Let fantasy football types worry about individual WR production. Each of the WRs on the Texans team have their strengths and weaknesses and roles, and with the new guys it is going to be a discovery of what those are on the NFL level.

The Texans offense is just a bunch of targets. Andre Johnson gets extra targeting because he is a more advanced species than we are. But whoever catches the ball consistently and makes plays, will get the ball.
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I think KW has had it. A good blocker is only good on 1st & 2nd down. He is more of a liability as a receiver now that he is 31 years old. Ancient in the game of football. He was never that fleet of foot and now he doesn't have the agility needed to make the moves a good WR has to have. It is time to go to the new blood.
Andre Johnson's 31 years old. Just thought I'd point that out
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Did Kevin Walter even play last night?
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Did Kevin Walter even play last night?
haha yeah he was out there. Jean and Martin are beginning to make KW look not so valuable IMO.
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Did Kevin Walter even play last night?
He was the outside reciever on Martin's TD catch .... pulled double coverage while Martin slid underneath uncovered. Nasty route combination had the defenders looking like circus clowns.

Maybe 76 or Dutch can post a gif of the play .....
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He was the outside reciever on Martin's TD catch .... pulled double coverage while Martin slid underneath uncovered. Nasty route combination had the defenders looking like circus clowns.

Maybe 76 or Dutch can post a gif of the play .....
Got to go now.

I can't do vid anyway.

Will look at Walter tonight if I can.
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Yes. Right after Martin fumbled for the second time....

This is why Walter will be starting over Martin. Kubiak hates, beyond anything, for a running back or WR to put the ball on the ground. Kubiak trust Walter more and should for now. If Martin keeps on doing this, you wont see him on the field no matter how talented he is...

If anything, Jean should be on the outside and Walter in the slot.
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Does he just have the one catch from the first game this preseason?
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Yes. Right after Martin fumbled for the second time....

This is why Walter will be starting over Martin. Kubiak hates, beyond anything, for a running back or WR to put the ball on the ground. Kubiak trust Walter more and should for now. If Martin keeps on doing this, you wont see him on the field no matter how talented he is...

If anything, Jean should be on the outside and Walter in the slot.
I highly doubt Kubiak is going to can Martin, just because of his mistakes last night.. He's a rookie and rookies make mistakes. I was upset when it happened, but after sleeping on it I'm glad it happened. It's a great learning experience and a great teaching opportunity for Kubes. It's better to fumble now during the preseason and make the necessary corrections than to go and have a mistake free preseason and put the ball on the ground during the regular season. One of Kubiak's complements of Martin was how after he makes a mistake they tell him what he did wrong and then he fixes it, so I'm eager to see how he responds.

Anyways I already think the phase out of Walter is underway. Martin and Jean sure have getting a lot of burn with the 1s and I don't think it really matters who starts, because I think both will be on the field plenty.
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I highly doubt Kubiak is going to can Martin, just because of his mistakes last night.. He's a rookie and rookies make mistakes. I was upset when it happened, but after sleeping on it I'm glad it happened. It's a great learning experience and a great teaching opportunity for Kubes. It's better to fumble now during the preseason and make the necessary corrections than to go and have a mistake free preseason and put the ball on the ground during the regular season. When of Kubiak's complements of Martin was how after he makes a mistake they tell him what he did wrong and then he fixes it, so I'm eager to see how he responds.

Anyways I already think the phase out of Walter is underway. Martin and Jean sure have getting a lot of burn with the 1s and I don't think it really matters who starts, because I think both will be on the field plenty.
Not saying Kubiak will can Martin but if Martin has a problem holding onto the ball, Kubiak will not put him on the field. One of the biggest things for Kubes with his players is trust, he always talked about trusting his players to do what they needed to protect the football.

Remember the runningback a few years ago, think it was Chris Taylor, an how he was suppose to be this next great back in Kubiak system. Everybody wanted to know why he was playing Dayne over Taylor and the main reason was Taylor kept putting the ball on the ground and Kubiak didn't trust him.

Martin better than Walter, clearly, but I think Kubiak will trust Walter more when they play for real, we will see soon enough...
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Not saying Kubiak will can Martin but if Martin has a problem holding onto the ball, Kubiak will not put him on the field. One of the biggest things for Kubes with his players is trust, he always talked about trusting his players to do what they needed to protect the football.

Remember the runningback a few years ago, think it was Chris Taylor, an how he was suppose to be this next great back in Kubiak system. Everybody wanted to know why he was playing Dayne over Taylor and the main reason was Taylor kept putting the ball on the ground and Kubiak didn't trust him.

Martin better than Walter, clearly, but I think Kubiak will trust Walter more when they play for real, we will see soon enough...
Taylor only fumbled once during his time here and it was recovered by the Texans. I think he got hurt, but that was a long time ago... can't remember.

But yeah.. if this becomes a habit Martin will work his way into Kubiak's dog house, but he's not there yet. Kubiak has already proven with Jones that if you have talent he'll give you multiple chances to figure things out.
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I've stated my position on the whole Walter thing, so take it FWIW. But go back and watch Walter on the very first offensive play of the game vs. the Saints and ask yourself if they're going to ask Jean or Martin to do that.
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I've stated my position on the whole Walter thing, so take it FWIW. But go back and watch Walter on the very first offensive play of the game vs. the Saints and ask yourself if they're going to ask Jean or Martin to do that.
I don't have the game. What did he do?
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I don't have the game. What did he do?
I don't have the game either, but I remember seeing it real time. He just did his typical motion to the right side of the line and then laid a devastating cut block at the snap.
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I don't have the game either, but I remember seeing it real time. He just did his typical motion to the right side of the line and then laid a devastating cut block at the snap.
We use him a lot to do that off of play action. Bryant Johnson did it some too while Andre was out last year. I'm completely fine with KW being in the role he is now. He is not the number 2 receiver as far as receiving options go. I look for both Jean and Martin to get more looks in the passing game this year. As long as that's the case then we'll be fine. He can still play a big role for us, and we know he has the ability to make plays. Gary said today that he's going to rotate the 4 receivers regularly so its going to be important for all of them to come up big for us at certain points. It might be a different guy every game, but when their number is called they need to step up.
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We use him a lot to do that off of play action.
Yep. Frankly, I don't want them using Jean or Martin to do that, which means they need a WR on the team who can do it, and he has to be out on the field often enough that it's not a dead giveaway what they're about to do.
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I don't have the game either, but I remember seeing it real time. He just did his typical motion to the right side of the line and then laid a devastating cut block at the snap.
I figured that's what you were talking about but didn't want to speculate as I hadn't seen the play.

But if I'm understanding you right, the team did in fact ask Martin to do the same thing (motion to a wing position or to the te's hip pocket and cut the backside Olb or de). I specifically remember him doing that later in the game.

Was it as devastating a block as Walters? Probably not, but it was effective.

The wr I don't think they're going to ask to do that is Andre.
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I appreciate Walters' contributions.

However Jean should get more PT.

How many plays did Walter make last yr ? Excluding Cincy, a play which will forever live in my memory.
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