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Old 08-25-2012   #141
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I loved the way he bounced back though. Almost took one to the house, and they basically kicked away from him whenever they got the chance after.
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I loved the way he bounced back though. Almost took one to the house, and they basically kicked away from him whenever they got the chance after.
I felt a little bad for him that he didn't get any further chances at a return. That could have been good or bad, though.
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I felt a little bad for him that he didn't get any further chances at a return. That could have been good or bad, though.
I think the one big return he had was enough. He damned near ran over the kicker trying to bring it back. I thought it showed a lot of heart on his part.
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I think the one big return he had was enough. He damned near ran over the kicker trying to bring it back. I thought it showed a lot of heart on his part.
I dont really think that fumble was something he could have avoided , that was just a good play by the defender.

More troubling was the punt he damn near muffed later in the game ....
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I dont really think that fumble was something he could have avoided , that was just a good play by the defender.

More troubling was the punt he damn near muffed later in the game ....
I think any fumble can be avoided. I don't but that. He screwed up and I'm glad he got it out of his system. The one he muffed was when they started trying to punt to the sidelines and he tried too hard to get to it instead of just accepting there isn't gonna be a play made there. He also could've caught a fair catch on a punt around the 10 later in the game but there wasn't a negative play there because the ball checked up.

He's going to make his mistakes in the kick return game. I personally believe that, but I feel like the plays he's going to make will outweigh all of those things. Like I said, he will be scooped up the next minute if we cut him and probably by the Titans.
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I think any fumble can be avoided. I don't but that. He screwed up and I'm glad he got it out of his system. The one he muffed was when they started trying to punt to the sidelines and he tried too hard to get to it instead of just accepting there isn't gonna be a play made there. He also could've caught a fair catch on a punt around the 10 later in the game but there wasn't a negative play there because the ball checked up.

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Take Martin's fumble - the defender put his hat on the ball ... Gotta tip your hat to the guy for making a play.
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Take Martin's fumble - the defender put his hat on the ball ... Gotta tip your hat to the guy for making a play.
There are some guys in the league who never fumble. There is a way to put the ball high and tight when you see a defender coming. There's no excuse for fumbling. Yes its going to happen because its acceptable guys won't be focused and aware of all the dangers around them but there are ways to prevent fumbles. He left the ball open to the defender. Thats why he put his hat on the ball.
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Maybe a QB who gets blindsided when he's about to throw the ball but a ball carrier always has an opportunity to protect the ball.
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There are some guys in the league who never fumble. There is a way to put the ball high and tight when you see a defender coming. There's no excuse for fumbling. Yes its going to happen because its acceptable guys won't be focused and aware of all the dangers around them but there are ways to prevent fumbles. He left the ball open to the defender. Thats why he put his hat on the ball.
Martin had the ball high and tight. They showed the replay and the defender put his hat right on the ball , it popped out.

If anything , Martin should have covered it with both hands .... but I give credit to the defender on that play.


Go watch the replay.
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Martin had the ball high and tight. They showed the replay and the defender put his hat right on the ball , it popped out.

If anything , Martin should have covered it with both hands .... but I give credit to the defender on that play.


Go watch the replay.
Martin fumbled the ball twice. On the first one he held it like a loaf of bread.
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Martin had the ball high and tight. They showed the replay and the defender put his hat right on the ball , it popped out.

If anything , Martin should have covered it with both hands .... but I give credit to the defender on that play.


Go watch the replay.
I watched it and thats not carrying the ball high and tight. Watch Tiki Barber in his later years and you'll know what I'm talking about.
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Martin fumbled the ball twice. On the first one he held it like a loaf of bread.
I was talking specifically about the one where the defender popped him on the reverse .... I just went backand watched the replay again ... Martin had the ball away from his body as he tried to make a move then pulled it up high and tight when trying to cut back , the defenders helmet hit right on Martin's hand with the impact popping the ball up and out.

The fact that the ball went up - vertical - tells me the hit produced significant compression. It didnt just squirt out , it was knocked out. Credit defender.



The fumble by Trycycle .... I put on him for not covering the ball up with both hands in all that traffic tho he was stiff arming a guy when the defender hit him from the opposite side .... right on the ball.
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Saints are taught how to strip the ball, it's their culture. The coaching staff would be wise to learn their tactics & how to protect the ball conversely. I'm not down on Holliday or Martin, long as they learn the game from their mistakes.
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well its the 4th qtr one more game IMO to prove he should make this team
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Saints are taught how to strip the ball, it's their culture. The coaching staff would be wise to learn their tactics & how to protect the ball conversely. I'm not down on Holliday or Martin, long as they learn the game from their mistakes.
Perfectly stated.
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No matter how much of a threat a kick/punt return guy is to break a long one, first and foremost is "ball security". That's basically why they cut Jacoby, and unlike Holliday he wasn't a 1-trick pony since he could also play WR.
We'll see what happens here, but I think Holliday is definitely back on the bubble after last night.
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He had a fumble...it was in preseason....I would rather have that happen now....and he get chewed out about it and LEARN ...from it.....than in the regular season.
He did come back and get a 60 yard return afterward....I think he learned his lesson.....
I hope so.....becuase he is special and the Texans better keep him.....

He forced New Orleans to punt away from him and give the Texans good field position.....that is going to help all year long....punters do not like to try and kick it out bounds......
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He had one lost and one recovered
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No matter how much of a threat a kick/punt return guy is to break a long one, first and foremost is "ball security". That's basically why they cut Jacoby, and unlike Holliday he wasn't a 1-trick pony since he could also play WR.
We'll see what happens here, but I think Holliday is definitely back on the bubble after last night.
That's all jacoby was good for so I'd call him a one trick pony with small hands
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