The improbable improvement of Kareem Jackson

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by wolf123

This is his first training camp. Brice is one of the best nickle backs in the league.

McCain has the nickel locked up, we know that. It would be nice to see Harris tAking the snAps Ball is getting. Then we can tell ourselves that he is on Jackson's heels. As it stands we're in deep doodoo if something happens to any of our CBs becAuse last years second round pick isn't getting time with the first lot seconds team defense. All we got is Ball....

Well, McMannis appears to be getting time behind Jjo.

[Premier]

i want to know what could kareem have done to better defend that pass.. i mean im watching the replay right now. kareem had him covered, i mean blanketed and brees made a good throw and lance moore is just a bit more athletic than kareem. if kareem turns early to locate the ball he probably loses moore and gives up an easier TD, he sticks to him and brees puts the ball in the air where only moore can get it..

i just think moore owns kareem, theres no other way to put it.

i wonder how joseph would have matched up with moore on the same play..

kareem needs a new gameplan when guarding this man i guess, jam him up harder at the line is the only remedy i see. if kareems on an island with moore, moore is going to win, hes faster and more athletic.

[wolf123]

Originally Posted by Premier

i want to know what could kareem have done to better defend that pass.. i mean im watching the replay right now. kareem had him covered, i mean blanketed and brees made a good throw and lance moore is just a bit more athletic than kareem. if kareem turns to locate the ball he probably loses moore and gives up an easier TD, he sticks to him and brees puts the ball in the air where only moore can get it..

i just think moore owns kareem, theres no other way to put it.

i wonder how joseph would have matched up with moore on the same play..

kareem needs a new gameplan when guarding this man i guess, jam him up harder at the line is the only remedy i see. if kareems on an island with moore, moore is going to win, he faster and more athletic.

I've went back and watched the whole game and kareem really didn't have a bad night at all. Are pass rush was terrible most of the game, couldn't guard screens and Graham was other worldly.

[bhsman]

The Saints were killing it with the 3-step drops, it really took the bite out of the pass rush.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by bhsman

The Saints were killing it with the 3-step drops, it really took the bite out of the pass rush.

Their OL is really freakin good too .... I was impressed with the way they handled the rush even on longer developing plays , seemed to always funnel everything backside allowing for Brees to step up. When he avoided pressure he didnt go backwards , he went forward or to the side.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Premier

i want to know what could kareem have done to better defend that pass.. i mean im watching the replay right now. kareem had him covered, i mean blanketed and brees made a good throw and lance moore is just a bit more athletic than kareem. if kareem turns early to locate the ball he probably loses moore and gives up an easier TD, he sticks to him and brees puts the ball in the air where only moore can get it..

i just think moore owns kareem, theres no other way to put it.

i wonder how joseph would have matched up with moore on the same play..

kareem needs a new gameplan when guarding this man i guess, jam him up harder at the line is the only remedy i see. if kareems on an island with moore, moore is going to win, hes faster and more athletic.

This, and especially the underlined part.

A DB should turn his head only when he's in good position (in stride or ahead of the receiver), otherwise he will only loose seperation.

We talked about how Allen was in the trail position on a post route last season.
The QB hit the receiver on the shoulder pad, allowing Allen to grab the receiver's arm (barely) and not letting him pull in the pass.

Allen never turned his head (for the same reason).
If that ball was placed perfectly like the one Brees threw, it would have a long TD pass "given up" by Allen.

I also mentioned a 53 yd TD pass Allen gave up to Wallace (when Allen was with the Dolphin).

Allen was also in trail position, but as soon as he tried to turn his head, he lost Wallace and gave up the TD.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Premier

i want to know what could kareem have done to better defend that pass.. i mean im watching the replay right now. kareem had him covered, i mean blanketed and brees made a good throw and lance moore is just a bit more athletic than kareem. if kareem turns early to locate the ball he probably loses moore and gives up an easier TD, he sticks to him and brees puts the ball in the air where only moore can get it..

i just think moore owns kareem, theres no other way to put it.

i wonder how joseph would have matched up with moore on the same play..

kareem needs a new gameplan when guarding this man i guess, jam him up harder at the line is the only remedy i see. if kareems on an island with moore, moore is going to win, hes faster and more athletic.

That was a hell of a throw ....

[76Texan]

One example of locating the ball is the long pass play Ball gave up the long pass in the Panthers game.

He had the receiver pinned to the side line and he was ahead of the receiver.
He was in great position but never turned his head and therefore gave up the catch.

An example of when not to turn his head was the pass Ball gave up to A Jenkins in the Niners game.

He gave Jenkins too much room along the side line.
When he turned his head, he lost Jenkins who veered to the outside to catch the pass.
Only the receiver knows exactly where the ball is going; the DB doesn't

[wolf123]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Their OL is really freakin good too .... I was impressed with the way they handled the rush even on longer developing plays , seemed to always funnel everything backside allowing for Brees to step up. When he avoided pressure he didnt go backwards , he went forward or to the side.

Brees is a magician in the pocket...

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by wolf123

Brees is a magician in the pocket...

Brees can have his yards, that's OK.

If Holiday didn't give them the cheap TD, we would have been ahead 24-17.
Our offense outscored them!

[Premier]

kareems mental clock needs to be triggered a second sooner... this picture speaks volumes...

[Rey]

Kareem has struggled with the long ball. I'm not going to over analyze it.

He just hasn't been good making plays on the ball down the field.

He's good to really good with stuff in front of him, but down the field he struggles.

I'd like to see him play more cover two honestly. Maybe wade can design something where Kareem plays some more short zones where he excels.

[kwayshauntay]

Originally Posted by Premier

kareem needs a new gameplan when guarding this man i guess, jam him up harder at the line is the only remedy i see. if kareems on an island with moore, moore is going to win, hes faster and more athletic.

the amazing part about this is that moore was undrafted while kareem was a first rounder.

[76Texan]

On the plus side, he made that shoe string tackle that got the RB Ivory stumbling for Quin to force the fumble.

Jackson did turn his head around when he was in stride with Henderson earlier in the game on a long ball.

A good throw and good catch was all there is to it.
The CB doesn't know if the receiver will run toward the post or cut toward the pylon or go straight or go for the backshoulder fade like that one.

That was a hell of a back-shoulder fade.
There's no way a DB can turn his head on that play.

Calling that a struggle is simply over-reacting, I'm sorry to say.

[bckey]

I hope KJ doesn't try and cover Calvin Johnson on Thanksgiving day. That would really ruin my day of joy and bliss. Instead of laying on the couch dozing off with a full belly of tryptophan, I'll be consuming large amounts of alcohol and throwing stuff at the tv while screaming long tirades of foul (it is turkey day) language.

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by bckey

I hope KJ doesn't try and cover Calvin Johnson on Thanksgiving day. That would really ruin my day of joy and bliss. Instead of laying on the couch dozing off with a full belly of tryptophan, I'll be consuming large amounts of alcohol and throwing stuff at the tv while screaming long tirades of foul (it is turkey day) language.

Calvin Johnson is a physical freak and is going to provide match up problems with every secondary he faces this year. I would be more upset if someone like Titus Young does that to our secondary.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

This, and especially the underlined part.

A DB should turn his head only when he's in good position (in stride or ahead of the receiver), otherwise he will only loose seperation.

Unless you've got a coach that knows what he's talking about. Once the ball is in the air, who cares what that receiver is doing? A DB should read the man, his eyes, face, hands, hips... use those clues to determine when the ball is in the air, turn & locate it... doesn't matter where the WR is, play the ball.

Now that should only be one of the techniques used by a CB to do his job. It should be used frequently, but there are cases where it isn't practical. I can't think of one off the top of my head, but I'm sure there is one.

[CloakNNNdagger]

Originally Posted by Rey

Kareem has struggled with the long ball. I'm not going to over analyze it.

He just hasn't been good making plays on the ball down the field.

He's good to really good with stuff in front of him, but down the field he struggles.

I'd like to see him play more cover two honestly. Maybe wade can design something where Kareem plays some more short zones where he excels.

Brees destroys cover 2.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Premier

kareems mental clock needs to be triggered a second sooner... this picture speaks volumes...

Yeah its almost as if he just looks back to make the coaches and fans think he's trying to locate the ball. That is hilarious though TBH

[EllisUnit]

All this cant keep up with the WR if he tries to locate the ball stuff is B.S. J.J does it fine, Aaron Glenn did it fine, Reeves, Aso, All top notch CBs can keep looking back trying to locate the ball and not lose his WR. But yet KJ cant ?!?!?!?

Hmmm do we need to hang a handy cap sign on the front of his helmet since he cant do what all the greats can do.