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Old 08-22-2012   #1
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Probably some shockers and as always some guys that lead to debate ( I hope). As always I ask you to read the entire thread rather than criticize why I did not select your guy or position when you wanted. My picks are where I see the player today and some of course will rise and some will slide.

1. #28 CB Xavier Rhodes Florida St. 6'1" 217 4.54 His late season knee injury concerns but early August he was back on field with some limitations. He has a year to get 100% & if needs to can convert to safety. I've watched this kid last season and mocked him coming out. I'll explain my picks later.

2. S Robert Lester Alabama 6'2" 210 4.5 another guy I mocked last year. He seems to have nose for ball and with some of his defensive sidekicks leaving he should get more attention.

3. A) WR Marcus Davis Virginia Tech 6'4" 228 4.37 mostly a straight ahead fast deep threat. Little production but 43" vert and 17 ypc.

3.B) TE C J Fiedorowicz Iowa 6'7" 265 Good soft hands and a very good blocker.

4. QB Zac Dysert Miami, Ohio 6'3" 228 3,513 yds, 66% 23 TDs to 11 INTs May seem too high but by end of season could be a third rounder.

5 A) NT Mister Cobble Kentucky 6' 332 I thought he'd come out last season but returned. Known as a "bowling ball" he came on strong late last season.

5. B) ILB Andrew Jackson W. Kentucky 6'1" 262 109 tackles 3.5 sacks one fumble and one int

6. Blaize Foltz TCU 6'4" 310 a true right guard

7. LaAdrian Waddle Texas Tech 6'6" 332 started LT 2 years
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Finally a mock to critique, it's been a while. Props for putting one out this time of year.

1. Rhodes, I like the player but not for the Texans. I don't think his size and lack of speed will transition to the NFL well and that he'll be a FS at the next level. I think he'll eventually be a very good FS, I just don't see the need for a 1st round FS on the Texans at this time.
2. Lester, Wow very surprised that you have our first 2 picks being in the secondary especially since our secondary is young, talented, and seems to be playing well at this time. I'm not against the pick, I like the player and think he's talented and would be a very good value in the late 2nd round. I just expect our 1st and 2nd round picks to be starters or very close to it and don't see the need for upgrades in the Safety positions. I don't think Quin or Manning are going anywhere, but Lester would be a definite upgrade in our depth at Safety.
3. Davis, I don't know anything about him but thanks for throwing another name out there for me to keep an eye on and research. I like his size and speed and WR is certainly a need.
3b. Fiedorowicz, I don't know anything about him either but overall I'm not impressed by next years class of TE's. I agree with the need at the position though, I can see a scenario where OD is a salary cap casualty. I really like his size, finally a big TE.
4. Dysert, I don't know anything about this guy either but really don't see the need for another mid round QB at this time with Yates and Keenum on the squad.
5. Cobble, I remember you mocking him last year and I questioned his athleticism at his size. I agree with the need at the position, someone to work in rotation with Mitchell at NT. Some size on the D-line is always a good thing, but I think it's a higher priority like 2nd or 3rd round.
5b. Jackson, don't know much about this guy but I like the size and productivity. He'd compete with Louiseau for a roster spot next year and either would solidify our depth at ILB.
6. Foltz, good OG depth if still available this late. I really liked your Alvin Bailey pick from a couple months ago.
7. Waddle, OT is a definite need but I think it's a higher priority, 3rd or 4th round. I like what I read about the guy but his listed speed at 5.3 is awfully slow for an OT and he might be a better fit at OG. If he can lose some weight and gain speed and agility, he might wind up being a good pick.
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I would like for the Texans to look into OL and ILB position as I still have a big question about our OL this year and also, ILB James isn't getting younger. Should the Texans decided to draft the above mentioned positions, they will likely be drafted somewhere between 2nd-5th rds. Wade likely get his another wish in the 1st rd.

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Probably some shockers and as always some guys that lead to debate ( I hope). As always I ask you to read the entire thread rather than criticize why I did not select your guy or position when you wanted. My picks are where I see the player today and some of course will rise and some will slide.

1. #28 CB Xavier Rhodes Florida St. 6'1" 217 4.54 His late season knee injury concerns but early August he was back on field with some limitations. He has a year to get 100% & if needs to can convert to safety. I've watched this kid last season and mocked him coming out. I'll explain my picks later.

2. S Robert Lester Alabama 6'2" 210 4.5 another guy I mocked last year. He seems to have nose for ball and with some of his defensive sidekicks leaving he should get more attention.

3. A) WR Marcus Davis Virginia Tech 6'4" 228 4.37 mostly a straight ahead fast deep threat. Little production but 43" vert and 17 ypc.

3.B) TE C J Fiedorowicz Iowa 6'7" 265 Good soft hands and a very good blocker.

4. QB Zac Dysert Miami, Ohio 6'3" 228 3,513 yds, 66% 23 TDs to 11 INTs May seem too high but by end of season could be a third rounder.

5 A) NT Mister Cobble Kentucky 6' 332 I thought he'd come out last season but returned. Known as a "bowling ball" he came on strong late last season.

5. B) ILB Andrew Jackson W. Kentucky 6'1" 262 109 tackles 3.5 sacks one fumble and one int

6. Blaize Foltz TCU 6'4" 310 a true right guard

7. LaAdrian Waddle Texas Tech 6'6" 332 started LT 2 years
1) I like Rhodes, but I dont want to go CB (or FS) in the first. JJo is a grade A starter, KJax is looking good so far, Harris is ready to see the field, etc. I am not opposed to looking for a CB in the middle to late rounds, but I think we could add some talent to a position we actually need to upgrade, or will need to upgrade in the near future (ILB, NT, WR, TE, QB).

2) If Lester is there, and providing we DONT go DB in the first, I am down with this pick. Outside of our starters, we dont have a lot of talent at safety.

3) Project WR pick with great athleticism and upside. Cant dislike that! I am concerned though, that he is similar to the receivers we already have on the roster, in that he is a project player.

3) Fiedo! If he is here, you run to the podium. However, I think he goes in the second at the latest. It's early in the process, but I see him being a HUGE riser next year. Massive.

4) I like Dysert, and I like looking for a QB. Sign me up.

5) I like Cobble, but will he come out this year? Only a RS Junior, it is uncommon (though not unheard of) for players with eligibility to leave school if they are not being looked at in the first few rounds.

5) I dont know anything about Jackson, but I like the position. Same question mark about him coming out of school though.

6) OL depth, sounds good.

7) OL depth, sounds good.
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Finally a mock to critique, it's been a while. Props for putting one out this time of year.

1. Rhodes, I like the player but not for the Texans. I don't think his size and lack of speed will transition to the NFL well and that he'll be a FS at the next level. I think he'll eventually be a very good FS, I just don't see the need for a 1st round FS on the Texans at this time.
2. Lester, Wow very surprised that you have our first 2 picks being in the secondary especially since our secondary is young, talented, and seems to be playing well at this time. I'm not against the pick, I like the player and think he's talented and would be a very good value in the late 2nd round. I just expect our 1st and 2nd round picks to be starters or very close to it and don't see the need for upgrades in the Safety positions. I don't think Quin or Manning are going anywhere, but Lester would be a definite upgrade in our depth at Safety.
3. Davis, I don't know anything about him but thanks for throwing another name out there for me to keep an eye on and research. I like his size and speed and WR is certainly a need.
3b. Fiedorowicz, I don't know anything about him either but overall I'm not impressed by next years class of TE's. I agree with the need at the position though, I can see a scenario where OD is a salary cap casualty. I really like his size, finally a big TE.
4. Dysert, I don't know anything about this guy either but really don't see the need for another mid round QB at this time with Yates and Keenum on the squad.
5. Cobble, I remember you mocking him last year and I questioned his athleticism at his size. I agree with the need at the position, someone to work in rotation with Mitchell at NT. Some size on the D-line is always a good thing, but I think it's a higher priority like 2nd or 3rd round.
5b. Jackson, don't know much about this guy but I like the size and productivity. He'd compete with Louiseau for a roster spot next year and either would solidify our depth at ILB.
6. Foltz, good OG depth if still available this late. I really liked your Alvin Bailey pick from a couple months ago.
7. Waddle, OT is a definite need but I think it's a higher priority, 3rd or 4th round. I like what I read about the guy but his listed speed at 5.3 is awfully slow for an OT and he might be a better fit at OG. If he can lose some weight and gain speed and agility, he might wind up being a good pick.
Appreciate the feedback. Time got away from me while posting this thread and researching. Had to present it without some explanations due to an appointment I had. Here goes:

Rhodes: I think NFL is going to taller bigger WRs as are Texans. Rhodes pretty much handled Michael Floyd & does well as a cover type CB. http://unconquerednoles.com/articles...er-rhodes.html

IMO, Rhodes is exactly type of bump and run CB that many thought KJ was. McCain is a FA in 2013. McMannis (4.5) has shown little so far as has Roc Carmichael (4.56). Ball should be cut leaving basically Joseph, KJ and Harris. I will give up a touch of speed for extra 3 inch height. Also at 215 + Rhodes would not be manhandled by an AJ type WR. I am drafting him as a CB not FS. That is a luxury. Please see my thoughts on safety depth below.

I have posted desire for OL but after reflection, don't see Wade Smith leaving. Brown/Smith/Myers/Brooks/Newton for next two years. I hesitate to use a first on a RG & quite possible Matthews & Barrett Jones will be gone.

Lester: Spent some time debating this position. Quin our SS & also a FA after 2012 and has been adequate but imo only slightly above average. Manning will be in his third year 2013 and in 2014 will be 32 YOA. His $4.5 m could be cut as no bonus and $9m guarantee has been paid. IMO, safety is a weak area if Quin does not return and we can't pay them all.
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My decision process on corner in first. Matthews, Barrett may be gone. My gut and what little I've seen of Martin and Jean allow me to move WR down as a need. Rhodes BPA. As on my previous 2013 mock, I like Da'Rick Rogers; however more risk with him than Rhodes. My 3rd round WR Marcus Davis offers close to Rogers. If Wade was to go NT in first, I would vote for Jesse Williams from Alabama over Kawaan Short. I just don't see a Nose in first this draft. There are no ILB in first at our pick. Kevin Riddick interest me in second but probably gone by our pick.
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Appreciate the feedback. Time got away from me while posting this thread and researching. Had to present it without some explanations due to an appointment I had. Here goes:

Rhodes: I think NFL is going to taller bigger WRs as are Texans. Rhodes pretty much handled Michael Floyd & does well as a cover type CB. http://unconquerednoles.com/articles...er-rhodes.html

IMO, Rhodes is exactly type of bump and run CB that many thought KJ was. McCain is a FA in 2013. McMannis (4.5) has shown little so far as has Roc Carmichael (4.56). Ball should be cut leaving basically Joseph, KJ and Harris. I will give up a touch of speed for extra 3 inch height. Also at 215 + Rhodes would not be manhandled by an AJ type WR. I am drafting him as a CB not FS. That is a luxury. Please see my thoughts on safety depth below.

I have posted desire for OL but after reflection, don't see Wade Smith leaving. Brown/Smith/Myers/Brooks/Newton for next two years. I hesitate to use a first on a RG & quite possible Matthews & Barrett Jones will be gone.

Lester: Spent some time debating this position. Quin our SS & also a FA after 2012 and has been adequate but imo only slightly above average. Manning will be in his third year 2013 and in 2014 will be 32 YOA. His $4.5 m could be cut as no bonus and $9m guarantee has been paid. IMO, safety is a weak area if Quin does not return and we can't pay them all.

When I comment on Rhodes size and probable transition to FS, it's his weight that I'm talking about not his height. I remember an interview posted on here months ago with Vance Joseph who was talking about KJ and Harris being good in short yardage coverage but that their weight and lack of long speed is what hindered them in pass coverage. He also said that both players were losing weight in the offseason, gaining long speed, and working on their skill set to be better cover corners down field. His implications were pretty direct that their weight caused a lack of long speed which hurt their down field coverage. Since both have lost the weight and gotten alot better in their pass coverage. Rhodes is too heavy and slow to be a good CB at the NFL level. I'm pretty safe in saying that he'll either have to lose weight, gain speed, and work on his skill set to be a successful NFL CB or most likely he'll transition to FS. If you insist on a 1st round CB then give us Johnathan Banks but I doubt he falls to us, probably a top 20 pick.

As for OG, I think Brooks starts next year just not sure which side of Myers he'll be on. Brooks taking W. Smith spot would make more financial sense but we'll see. On a related note, 2013 seems to be a really good year for OT and OG, their's quality and depth at both positions. I think we'll draft one of each in 2013 and would like to see it in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

As for SS, I think we re-sign Quin to a team friendly deal. Your right Quin's not great but he's decent enough to give a 3yr. extension to for the right price while we spend our upper draft choices elsewhere. I'm not arguing with the pick, if it were made Lester would be a great addition to the team, I just see higher priorities on the D-line next year at NT and DE. I'll worry about Mannings contract and age in 2014 next year, we've got more than enough on our plate for now.

As for WR, I think your missing the big picture. Yes Jean and Martin are young and impressive but I think both of them top out as a #2 or #3 WR. I don't think either has the potential to be a true #1. I'm looking for someone to replace Walter next year with potential to take over for AJ soon cause he ain't getting any younger or healthier any time soon.

I'll say it again, I can foresee next offseason being alot bloodier than this past one due to all the cuts made because of the locked down salary cap. Until the owners are finished exacting their pound of flesh retribution on the players for last years strike/lock out alot of teams are going to have to make really hard decisions.
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Said it before and I will end up saying it again years from now size on CB's is way over rated. Best CB in the league right now Revis at 5'11" Arguably best of all time Deion 6'1". Best on the Texans and one of the best in the league JJ 5'11" - all under 200 lbs. Darrell Green 5'9", our own Aaron Glenn 5'9", Antoine Winfield 5'9". A CB doesn't have to look like a WR in order to cover a WR. Especially in today's NFL a CB needs to be twitchy and fast rather than physical. AJ is a really big WR. He doesn't make his catches by bullying small CB's out of the way.
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When I comment on Rhodes size and probable transition to FS, it's his weight that I'm talking about not his height. I remember an interview posted on here months ago with Vance Joseph who was talking about KJ and Harris being good in short yardage coverage but that their weight and lack of long speed is what hindered them in pass coverage. He also said that both players were losing weight in the offseason, gaining long speed, and working on their skill set to be better cover corners down field. His implications were pretty direct that their weight caused a lack of long speed which hurt their down field coverage. Since both have lost the weight and gotten alot better in their pass coverage. Rhodes is too heavy and slow to be a good CB at the NFL level. I'm pretty safe in saying that he'll either have to lose weight, gain speed, and work on his skill set to be a successful NFL CB or most likely he'll transition to FS. If you insist on a 1st round CB then give us Johnathan Banks but I doubt he falls to us, probably a top 20 pick.

As for OG, I think Brooks starts next year just not sure which side of Myers he'll be on. Brooks taking W. Smith spot would make more financial sense but we'll see. On a related note, 2013 seems to be a really good year for OT and OG, their's quality and depth at both positions. I think we'll draft one of each in 2013 and would like to see it in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

As for SS, I think we re-sign Quin to a team friendly deal. Your right Quin's not great but he's decent enough to give a 3yr. extension to for the right price while we spend our upper draft choices elsewhere. I'm not arguing with the pick, if it were made Lester would be a great addition to the team, I just see higher priorities on the D-line next year at NT and DE. I'll worry about Mannings contract and age in 2014 next year, we've got more than enough on our plate for now.

As for WR, I think your missing the big picture. Yes Jean and Martin are young and impressive but I think both of them top out as a #2 or #3 WR. I don't think either has the potential to be a true #1. I'm looking for someone to replace Walter next year with potential to take over for AJ soon cause he ain't getting any younger or healthier any time soon.

I'll say it again, I can foresee next offseason being alot bloodier than this past one due to all the cuts made because of the locked down salary cap. Until the owners are finished exacting their pound of flesh retribution on the players for last years strike/lock out alot of teams are going to have to make really hard decisions.
Good debate. Patrick Peterson at 6'1" 219lbs should not go unmentioned. His 4.34 is excellent for his size and it is quite possible Rhodes could run faster than 4.5 and he could also drop a few pounds if necessary.

I just really like him as a player and think he will do well. Not all corners can change to safety but he should IF he cannot succeed as CB. Either position is needed. Also he would play SS imo not free.

My comment on Manning states 2014. To replace #1 starter you should probably allow one year OJT for new guy.

Before you dump Wade Smith, familiarize your self on his contract and the ramifications to the cap.

Not missing anything on WRs. Jean might be the answer replacing AJ in long term but I would like to have a back up plan such as Da'Rick Rogers (my first round in prior 2013 mock) or my guy Marcus Davis. I think AJ barring injury will be #1 until at least thru 2014. Allowing two seasons for 2013 pick to get ready. We don't need Martin or Jean to be more than WR 2 and 3 as I said in thread.

With careful selections and younger guys like Yates improving, while losing some vets, off season may not be too harmful to the team.

This mock is far from my final but gives us something to think and talk about.
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Not missing anything on WRs. Jean might be the answer replacing AJ in long term but I would like to have a back up plan such as Da'Rick Rogers (my first round in prior 2013 mock) or my guy Marcus Davis. I think AJ barring injury will be #1 until at least thru 2014. Allowing two seasons for 2013 pick to get ready. We don't need Martin or Jean to be more than WR 2 and 3 as I said in thread.
You can forget about DaRick Rogers, he just indefinitely suspended by Tennesse.

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Said it before and I will end up saying it again years from now size on CB's is way over rated. Best CB in the league right now Revis at 5'11" Arguably best of all time Deion 6'1". Best on the Texans and one of the best in the league JJ 5'11" - all under 200 lbs. Darrell Green 5'9", our own Aaron Glenn 5'9", Antoine Winfield 5'9". A CB doesn't have to look like a WR in order to cover a WR. Especially in today's NFL a CB needs to be twitchy and fast rather than physical. AJ is a really big WR. He doesn't make his catches by bullying small CB's out of the way.
It would be interesting how AJ would do against a similar size opponent. As you pointed out best of all time was same height as Rhodes. We should not rule out Rhodes who if needed could lose 10-12 pounds.
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It would be interesting how AJ would do against a similar size opponent. As you pointed out best of all time was same height as Rhodes. We should not rule out Rhodes who if needed could lose 10-12 pounds.
OK I am not overly absorbed with speed either but Deion was a 4.2 runner. He had sick closing speed to where he could play with QB's. It wasn't his height that made him great nor his size - heck he was a good 20 pounds lighter and looked like a pipe cleaner out there. But if you didn't throw the ball where he couldn't get it without running through the WR then he was getting it.
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OK I am not overly absorbed with speed either but Deion was a 4.2 runner. He had sick closing speed to where he could play with QB's. It wasn't his height that made him great nor his size - heck he was a good 20 pounds lighter and looked like a pipe cleaner out there. But if you didn't throw the ball where he couldn't get it without running through the WR then he was getting it.
This is exactly my point. There are CBs with size or heart or speed or something. Watching Rhodes for two years, I just think he has 'it'. I had several videos cached on him but erased all my favorites. Height in a corner or WR while not a must helps.

Of interest is a eval that Rhodes could run as low as 4.3
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2014&genpos=CB
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I seriously doubt that we will draft CB or safety in the first two rounds.
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You can forget about DaRick Rogers, he just indefinitely suspended by Tennesse.

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Yeah I guess I look smart moving him off my mock but I still think he could be a good NFL WR. Just no way I see McNair okaying him. I think the new stuff is marijuana but who knows? He had too many pissing matches with coaches and that is something he can't do in NFL.
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I seriously doubt that we will draft CB or safety in the first two rounds.
I thought you were a follower of BPA? Do you think a QB, NT, WR or OLB will be drafted first? If Schaub goes and Yates isn't ready a first will not do us much good. Jean and Martin look good and AJ will be around for another year or two so a later pick (like mine) makes sense. If Barwin leaves in FA as I predicted some time ago, the yeah another OLB could follow Mercilus. I know you like Jackson but he'd better make a big time leap in progress if we hope to be perennial playoff contenders. 2013 draft should allows us to go BPA for at least some of our picks. Yeah you can pencil Quin in for a new contract but he may choose money elsewhere. Especially so if he continues to play lights out as he has in preseason.

I am very okay with a OG or RT in first but the guys I like I expect to be gone. Butler or Newton needs to take the title and run with it.
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I'm with the people that don't think we need to go CB early in the next draft. We have Kareem Jackson for the next 3 years, and JJo for 4. Those guys will be the starters, we just need some depth behind them. Harris will be here for 3 more years as well, and he seems capable to split time with KJax, given the limited time I've seen him in preseason.

We should be looking for a replacement nickle corner, because McCain is likely gone after this season. I think he will get a decent offer that the Texans won't be able to match, same goes for Glover Quin. If we get lucky, those guys won't get much interest around the league and will be re-signed for 1-3 million a year, but I give that about a 5% chance of happening.

So the question is, do we have someone on the roster who can take Quin's safety spot? Demps maybe? I don't know, but I know the Texans have never cared much about the safety position, so I expect us to allocate our resources elsewhere. Even if Harris can be the nickel corner next year, I expect a mid to late round pick spent on both a Safety and a CB.
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I don't know, but I know the Texans have never cared much about the safety position, so I expect us to allocate our resources elsewhere. Even if Harris can be the nickel corner next year, I expect a mid to late round pick spent on both a Safety and a CB.
Your right the Texans never cared about the safety position, until Wade Phillips got here. When we finally got someone truly qualified to be a Defensive Coordinator instead of hiring Kubiak's unqualified friends we got 2 new Safeties. Manning and Quin have brought alot to our secondary. Not even Darrell Revis can cover a WR by himself for more than about 4-5 seconds at most. Quality Safety help is needed by even the best CB's. Now I do agree with your general idea that a Safety is not a high need in 2013. I think we re-sign Quin and if not then I wouldn't mind giving Demps a year to prove what he capable of, he's looked pretty damn good last year and this preseason.
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I'm with the people that don't think we need to go CB early in the next draft. We have Kareem Jackson for the next 3 years, and JJo for 4. Those guys will be the starters, we just need some depth behind them. Harris will be here for 3 more years as well, and he seems capable to split time with KJax, given the limited time I've seen him in preseason.

We should be looking for a replacement nickle corner, because McCain is likely gone after this season. I think he will get a decent offer that the Texans won't be able to match, same goes for Glover Quin. If we get lucky, those guys won't get much interest around the league and will be re-signed for 1-3 million a year, but I give that about a 5% chance of happening.

So the question is, do we have someone on the roster who can take Quin's safety spot? Demps maybe? I don't know, but I know the Texans have never cared much about the safety position, so I expect us to allocate our resources elsewhere. Even if Harris can be the nickel corner next year, I expect a mid to late round pick spent on both a Safety and a CB.
Bold while probably true is only an assumption for KJ. If a better player can be drafted he would fall to back up. Same can be said for our LT, RT, FB and SS (Quin who is a FA 2013). Bradie James probably falls in this classification also. IMO, we basically have a 3 CB rotation in Joseph, KJ and Harris. The positions LCB & RCB scream for a high pick to joing the rotation. I was hoping for either McMannis or Carmichael to fill that but that does not appear to be happening.
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Your right the Texans never cared about the safety position, until Wade Phillips got here. When we finally got someone truly qualified to be a Defensive Coordinator instead of hiring Kubiak's unqualified friends we got 2 new Safeties. Manning and Quin have brought alot to our secondary. Not even Darrell Revis can cover a WR by himself for more than about 4-5 seconds at most. Quality Safety help is needed by even the best CB's. Now I do agree with your general idea that a Safety is not a high need in 2013. I think we re-sign Quin and if not then I wouldn't mind giving Demps a year to prove what he capable of, he's looked pretty damn good last year and this preseason.
I just see Quin going for the bucks. I swam against public opinion saying same about Conner Barwin.

BTW, he still has not reach a new deal. Texans philosophy says if no deal by start of season, negotiations stop.
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