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Old 08-19-2012   #21
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Kevin makes 2 mil for 2012 I think, I say we drop him for that little extra money to help resign Barwin long term.
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Too many good WRs?!?

We have one good WR (when healthy) Johnson.

One pretty good, KW.

And a bunch of unproven young guys. Let's see how they react when the bullets are real and the D actually game plans.
Good point.
Lots of guys have looked good in preseason only to fade into obscurity. Let's see what happens when the games count. Might be a tad early to make this call...
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Kevin Walter isn't going to be benched, that's not happening.
That's the same stance people took when talking about jacoby and Demeco this past off season.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the young guys chip away at his playing time or fully supplant him if they show consistency.

But honestly, like I said Walter is not a bad wr. Really I'd like to see Aj get bit more rest than he has in the past. Jean, Walter and Martin should be a nice combo for a few plays/gm.
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It's fairly obvious Posey's headed to the practice squad. He's not happening this year. In fact, he may be done before he got started. Not sure his psyche can take being sent off a team two years running. Martin and Jean are ready to move into the starting rotation. This means Walters is moving down the chart to become a valuable experienced back up. He's there in case one of the other two stumble or get hurt.
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It's fairly obvious Posey's headed to the practice squad. He's not happening this year. In fact, he may be done before he got started. Not sure his psyche can take being sent off a team two years running. Martin and Jean are ready to move into the starting rotation. This means Walters is moving down the chart to become a valuable experienced back up. He's there in case one of the other two stumble or get hurt.
I'd be shocked if kubiak cut posey. That would be new.
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It's fairly obvious Posey's headed to the practice squad. He's not happening this year. In fact, he may be done before he got started. Not sure his psyche can take being sent off a team two years running. Martin and Jean are ready to move into the starting rotation. This means Walters is moving down the chart to become a valuable experienced back up. He's there in case one of the other two stumble or get hurt.
Guys he hasn't even had a chance. Give him a chance. Besides if he was sent to PS he would definitely be snatched up within 48 hours.
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Guys he hasn't even had a chance. Give him a chance. Besides if he was sent to PS he would definitely be snatched up within 48 hours.
I doubt he'd make it to the ps. He'd probably be claimed off waivers.
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Kevin makes 2 mil for 2012 I think, I say we drop him for that little extra money to help resign Barwin long term.
Cutting Walter in 2012 would not help a new Barwin contract in 2013.

Walter will make this team, though Jean will cut into his playing time. I'd like to see Jean make through a preseason before anointing him a starter.
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FWIW, Walter had his man beat for a TD in the end zone, but Schaub threw it too high on what was I think his only real incompletion.
Another play Walter made .... that wasnt completed was the OD drop , it was Walters route that created the window of opportunity for that pass to be thrown .... OD has to catch that ball.


The devil is in the details ....


I do agree that if Martin & Jean continue their solid play , they eat into Walters snaps and possibly make him expendable next season.
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Then the draft room guys missed on the Posey pick. He doesn't deserve a roster spot if it means someone like Holliday get's cut. And if not Holliday, then who? Kevin Walters? It would have to be one of those two, wouldn't it? If they keep 5 receivers/returners:

Johnson
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Jean
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Walters/Posey

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Walters
Holliday/Posey

They don't keep 6 do they? I guess they could. Should be interesting.
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Then the draft room guys missed on the Posey pick. He doesn't deserve a roster spot if it means someone like Holliday get's cut. And if not Holliday, then who? Kevin Walters? It would have to be one of those two, wouldn't it? If they keep 5 receivers/returners:

Johnson
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They don't keep 6 do they? I guess they could. Should be interesting.
They will probably keep 6 wr's.
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Martin and Jean beat out Posey for playing time with the first teamers.

Posey sitting out all of last year only reinforces the fact the he needs to go to the practice squad. I can't think of any productive player I would cut just so I can give a spot to Posey. He can not make plays sitting at home watching the game.

Actually I expect him to have some sort of odd injury that will get him IR'd the last week of preseason.
A third round draft pick is not going to the practice squad.
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Another play Walter made .... that wasnt completed was the OD drop , it was Walters route that created the window of opportunity for that pass to be thrown .... OD has to catch that ball.


The devil is in the details ....
Yeah, that's the thing. To the people who say Walter isn't getting open and isn't creating separation and therefore isn't getting targeted, I say .... maybe. But I think it's just as likely that he's being deliberately used in a way to get other players open. Kubiak draws up these complex routes and he needs someone he trusts to do certain aspects of the job. Now, I don't know that to be true any more than some of the people know Walter sucks at getting open, but I'm honest enough to consider the possibility. That's why I am anxiously awaiting the All-22 film to be broken down by some people on this board this year, now that it'll finally be available.

So I am in a wait and see mode. The knee jerk reaction is to look at the stats and think Walter has to go, but I suspect Kubiak knows full well what Walter has done and keeps him out there for that express reason.
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Posey is a project. Think Dorin Dickerson with a far better chance of success in that he's not making a position change. Posey pays off hopefully later in the year. If not then next year he'll be expected to start producing. He's a year out of competitive football for intents and purposes. He's going to take time and the Texans know it.

Now having said that you can make a really good case for not throwing 3rd round picks at projects or reclamation projects but that's what the Texans did.
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Posey is a project. Think Dorin Dickerson with a far better chance of success in that he's not making a position change. Posey pays off hopefully later in the year. If not then next year he'll be expected to start producing. He's a year out of competitive football for intents and purposes. He's going to take time and the Texans know it.

Now having said that you can make a really good case for not throwing 3rd round picks at projects or reclamation projects but that's what the Texans did.
you can say the same thing about Brooks. Texans are betting on upside, both should succeed in time based on quality of coaching & system that is now proven for the first time in team history. I have no problem with either
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Yeah, that's the thing. To the people who say Walter isn't getting open and isn't creating separation and therefore isn't getting targeted, I say .... maybe. But I think it's just as likely that he's being deliberately used in a way to get other players open.
I doubt that.

Whats more effective for creating opportunities for other receivers?

A guy that shows he is a constant threat and pulls coverage no matter where he goes?

Or a guy that rarely catches passes?

Give me the guy that is actually a consistent threat to catch passed.

Other guys run routes to get guys open too, but since kw hardly does anything else folks just focus on his blocking and his "decoy ability".

I didn't hear much about how great a decoy od was last year when he cleared out that room for Walter to make the game winning catch against cincy.

You know why?

Because OD actually catches passes so you don't have to cling to some small thing he does as justification for him starting.

Kw was given his contract when he was catching passes. When he stopped doing that as effectively he was asked to take a pay cut.

The guy is a good wr, but all this blocking and decoying he does is not nearly as significant as a wr that can consistently make plays catching the ball.
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you can say the same thing about Brooks. Texans are betting on upside, both should succeed in time based on quality of coaching & system that is now proven for the first time in team history. I have no problem with either
Me either. I'm just saying that people all worried about Posey taking a roster spot from Holliday or getting plucked away from us while on his way to our practice squad are worrying about something that's not going to happen. We'll keep 6 I think. AJ & Walter are fixtures, Martin and Jean have played their way onto the team, Holliday is finally ready for the game at this level, and Posey is Smithiak's long-term project.

They'll find a way to keep 6.
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Posey sitting out all of last year only reinforces the fact the he needs to go to the practice squad.

Actually I expect him to have some sort of odd injury that will get him IR'd the last week of preseason.
IR Posey, and that's 2 years with very little football. Because players on IR cannot practice with the team.
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I doubt that.
Fair enough. As I alluded to above, I'm 50/50 on the idea. We'll see on the All-22, won't we?
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IR Posey, and that's 2 years with very little football. Because players on IR cannot practice with the team.
I did not realize that. I too was thinking they could stash Posey on the IR. Well, that changes everything & gives more weight to what Spencer was saying during the game last night about Holliday complicating the WR position.

For those that missed his comment, he suggested that the Texans may reduce the number of RB's it carries. We might have to stash Forsett, Grimes & Meggett on the PS. Is Forsett still eligible for the PS?

In any event, with Kubiak's respect for his veterans & the young guns lack of experience, I see Walter being listed as the starter & Jean/Martin coming in shortly after the first play or two. I also see Walter being inserted in when we go into a run the clock out running game due to his blocking skills.

Assuming the 3 young guns develop into bonafide starters this year, I can see the Texans letting KW walk next year.

Also, I wouldn't be too surprised to see Schaub gone after this year.
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