Official 2012 Training Camp Thread

[Wolf6151]

Hey Texans Chick or anyone else that's been to Training Camp, I'm looking for some opinions on Garrett Graham-TE. How's he looked so far? I can't help the feeling that if I'm Kubiak, it's time to stick your foot in Graham's ass for motivational reasons. With Dreesen gone it's time for Graham to step up or go bye bye. Thanks.

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

Hey Texans Chick or anyone else that's been to Training Camp, I'm looking for some opinions on Garrett Graham-TE. How's he looked so far? I can't help the feeling that if I'm Kubiak, it's time to stick your foot in Graham's ass for motivational reasons. With Dreesen gone it's time for Graham to step up or go bye bye. Thanks.

His blocks looked pretty sloppy on run plays, was getting worked laterally into the backfield by lb's. Didn't see him catch anything though, maybe he shines there? Just one man's opinion.

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

And Posey continues to impress. I'm curious if all of the people who criticized him will admit they overreacted after OTAs about him.

I've also always liked McManis. This is his first true off-season with the Texans. The first year there was an issue with him graduating from Northwestern so he wasn't here until TC, and then last year we had the lockout. There is potential for him to make a big jump this year. I remember his rookie year at a practice in Training Camp he jammed David Anderson all the way out of bounds during 1 on 1. DA didn't even get off the line. McManis has the skill so Roc and Harris are really going to have to play well to get PT over him. I just don't want to see him returning kicks ever again. That is definitely not his thing.

Posey actually looked pretty sloppy/dropsy on Wednesday, but I did notice him working on blocking drills after practice as well as some fade routes to the back corner of the endzone. I am neutral, I hope he works his way into pro starter material. I wouldn't crown him just yet until the live bullets start firing.

[Texn4life]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

Posey actually looked pretty sloppy/dropsy on Wednesday, but I did notice him working on blocking drills after practice as well as some fade routes to the back corner of the endzone. I am neutral, I hope he works his way into pro starter material. I wouldn't crown him just yet until the live bullets start firing.

I think like any rookie receiver he needs to make sure he's consistent day in and day out, but by all accounts from Kubiak and people who have been there every day like Steph and Nick Scurfield he's having a good week. I'm not saying he's destined for the pro bowl by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying people were freaking out way too soon after OTAs.

[Kaiser Toro]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

I think like any rookie receiver he needs to make sure he's consistent day in and day out, but by all accounts from Kubiak and people who have been there every day like Steph and Nick Scurfield he's having a good week. I'm not saying he's destined for the pro bowl by any stretch of the imagination. I'm just saying people were freaking out way too soon after OTAs.

I still believe we could have been done better. Of course, time will tell. What do you think his upside is?

If he can be another Kevin Walter I would be happy from a results standpoint. However, Walter did not cost us what Posey did.

[Texn4life]

Originally Posted by Kaiser Toro

I still believe we could have been done better. Of course, time will tell. What do you think his upside is?

If he can be another Kevin Walter I would be happy from a results standpoint. However, Walter did not cost us what Posey did.

He has much more big play potential than Walter has had. If I had to predict I would say he has 1000-1200 yard potential down the line. Obviously it won't happen this year but I think in the right situation he has this kind of production in him.

Its all gonna depend on him though. The best players in this league almost always have the best work ethic.

[Playoffs]

Offense getting on track today...

P.D. Starr ‏@PHABMK6
Keshawn Martin with nice reception to start the team session.

Keshawn Martin huge catch. Would have been a TD, 80+ from Schaub. #Texans

Martin running with the 1s. #Texans

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
That catch by Martin got the biggest cheer from fans I've heard so far in training camp #Texans

Bootleg: Matt Schaub throws deep to Keshawn Martin, who makes a twisting catch despite tight coverage from Brice McCain

Nick Scurfield ‏@NickScurfield
K competition: Randy Bullock 5/6, Shayne Graham 4/6 on FGs from 44-55 yds. Bullock missed from 49, Graham 49,53 #Texans

Through 8 days of camp, K Randy Bullock is 23/28 (82.1%) on FGs. Shayne Graham is 13-of-17 (76.5%) #Texans

P.D. Starr ‏@PHABMK6
Fangupo doing what he does, creating piles. #Texans

Jean the past two days looks like a new person. Showing plenty to make people take notice. #Texans

Jean huge 1 handed catch on a deep ball, McCain with great coverages

Today is the best Schaub has looked all camp. #Texans

[Playoffs]

JJ taking care of the littlest of little Texans.

[drs23]

Love your updates Playoffs, keep 'em coming!

[b0ng]

Dre, Brown, and Kareem will be back on Monday. According to Kubiak.

[Texn4life]

Originally Posted by b0ng

Dre, Brown, and Kareem will be back on Monday. According to Kubiak.

Great news, but I'd still hold them out against Carolina for the 1st preseason game. The 2nd and 3rd preseason games should be plenty of work to get them ready for the season.

The only concern with that is Schaub playing without his All Pro LT protecting him even though I'm sure it'll only be for 2 series max.

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

He has much more big play potential than Walter has had. If I had to predict I would say he has 1000-1200 yard potential down the line. Obviously it won't happen this year but I think in the right situation he has this kind of production in him.

Its all gonna depend on him though. The best players in this league almost always have the best work ethic.

I'd say Keyshawn Martin has a ton more "big play potential" than Posey. Just curious, did you go to any open practices? No offense intended.

[Texn4life]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

I'd say Keyshawn Martin has a ton more "big play potential" than Posey. Just curious, did you go to any open practices? No offense intended.

None taken, but no I haven't been able to make any this year. Went to a couple last year, but I've been out of town some this past week. I've had to depend on you guys, reporters, Kubiak, and some friends of mine who have been going. One is a former scout in the league so I respect his opinion even though he really didn't say much about the receivers.

As far as Martin having a ton more big play potential you could be right, but Posey has the ability to get behind the defense. Martin is going to be a beast in this league with the YAC he'll be able to pick up. He should be lethal with the ball in his hands. Posey doesn't possess the same run after the catch ability, but he consistently made plays down the field in college. They're 2 totally different type of receivers. If they both max out on potential I believe they both have 1000 yard seasons in them easily.

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

None taken, but no I haven't been able to make any this year. Went to a couple last year, but I've been out of town some this past week. I've had to depend on you guys, reporters, Kubiak, and some friends of mine who have been going. One is a former scout in the league so I respect his opinion even though he really didn't say much about the receivers.

As far as Martin having a ton more big play potential you could be right, but Posey has the ability to get behind the defense. Martin is going to be a beast in this league with the YAC he'll be able to pick up. He should be lethal with the ball in his hands. Posey doesn't possess the same run after the catch ability, but he consistently made plays down the field in college. They're 2 totally different type of receivers. If they both max out on potential I believe they both have 1000 yard seasons in them easily.

I'd say Martin is more quick than fast, very shifty and I think he fits our WCO system moreso than Posey. From just watching both of them the other day, I'd rather have KW and Andre on the field with Martin in the slot over Posey. Martin actually posted a better 40 time, and his 3 cone is better by nearly 2 tenths, he's a playmaker. Posey looked like an average receiver the other day. Martin impressed.

[Texans_Chick]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

Hey Texans Chick or anyone else that's been to Training Camp, I'm looking for some opinions on Garrett Graham-TE. How's he looked so far? I can't help the feeling that if I'm Kubiak, it's time to stick your foot in Graham's ass for motivational reasons. With Dreesen gone it's time for Graham to step up or go bye bye. Thanks.

Graham's had some nice catches. Will be interesting to see if they use him as the 2nd TE or if they use Casey. They are not using Casey a ton at FB.

Hard to tell a lot on blocking because they haven't done a ton of full pads stuff. They are doing a lot of teaching because of the new pieces on offense.

[Texans_Chick]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

I'd say Martin is more quick than fast, very shifty and I think he fits our WCO system moreso than Posey. From just watching both of them the other day, I'd rather have KW and Andre on the field with Martin in the slot over Posey. Martin actually posted a better 40 time, and his 3 cone is better by nearly 2 tenths, he's a playmaker. Posey looked like an average receiver the other day. Martin impressed.

Over the course of camp, both Martin and Posey have had some flashy days, not flashy days. Posey's size is nice, and Martin has played both in the slot and outside. Next week Kubiak says he's going to try to settle down the WR position so the quarterbacks can get work with the same guys more.

Think Martin may get on the field quicker because he fits the slot role more than Posey and has been working special teams. But both Posey and Jean have had their moments.

Don't think anyone can over emphasize any one or two days. I think this competition is wide open. This preseason will be very interesting.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Originally Posted by Texans_Chick

Graham's had some nice catches. Will be interesting to see if they use him as the 2nd TE or if they use Casey. They are not using Casey a ton at FB.

Hard to tell a lot on blocking because they haven't done a ton of full pads stuff. They are doing a lot of teaching because of the new pieces on offense.

Chick ... can you compare these camps with the ones of 2006 .

[Texn4life]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

I'd say Martin is more quick than fast, very shifty and I think he fits our WCO system moreso than Posey. From just watching both of them the other day, I'd rather have KW and Andre on the field with Martin in the slot over Posey. Martin actually posted a better 40 time, and his 3 cone is better by nearly 2 tenths, he's a playmaker. Posey looked like an average receiver the other day. Martin impressed.

Like I said you're really comparing apples to oranges in terms of the type of receivers they are. Martin's movements and change of direction are more sudden than Posey, so yeah he'd definitely fit better in the slot. The measurables that you mentioned indicate that.

There are some updates even from today's practice of Posey beating a DB deep and connecting on a long pass so he has a role in this offense as well. Otherwise we wouldn't have drafted him. A lot of what we do in the passing game comes off of play action so there will be opportunities for Posey to make plays down the field. 40 times and all of that are great, but Dickerson ran a 4.40 and he could never beat anyone down the field. I like guys who flash good game speed and Posey made plays down the field in college. As far as Posey looking average, Kubiak and others that have updated all week say he's had a good camp so far. Not everyone is going to always see things the same though so I understand where you're coming from. We'll find out starting next week exactly how far along each of these guys are.

[Texans_Chick]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

Chick ... can you compare these camps with the ones of 2006 .

Not without suffering post traumatic stress symptoms.

[Texn4life]

Just to kind of add to that as well Nate, if you look at their last 2 full years in college Posey bettered Martin in yards and YPC.

Martin: 2010- 32 rec 394 yards 12.3 YPC
2011- 66 rec 777 yards 11.9 YPC
Posey: 2009- 60 rec 828 yards 13.8 YPC
2010- 53 rec 848 yards 16.0 YPC

This isn't to say that Posey has more big play potential, but just to say to not discount his ability to make plays down the field. It can be argued Posey played with the poorer passer as well in college.