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Old 07-26-2012   #41
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Right now, I'd easily choose Bryant Johnson over Williams.

Bryant Johnson = Better hands, knows our system and a much better pro

Roy Williams = Non of the above

That said, I'd assume there'd be more to pick from once cuts begin if we truly need a WR.
Bryant Johnson couldn't beat KDub for a spot on game day. Why go through that experience again?

We need a WR who is a better #2 option than KDub.

Let's let the FO look at the guy, let the coaches work him out. If he's got the tools, then it's up to them to get the most out of him on game day... if they sign him.

If they don't sign him, no big deal. But the object right now should be to get someone who can supplant Kevin Walter at the #2 spot. KDub isn't so bad that we have to "take what we can get" but it shouldn't stop us from kicking the tires on Roy Williams either.
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I'd like to trade some picks for Wallace who did not show up for Steelers TC.
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I don't really understand why some people are opposed to at least bringing him in to see what he can bring to the table.

It's not likely he's going to be vying for a top 3 spot unless he just really goes balls to the wall in TC and pre-season. Martin and Posey are vritually guaranteed spots on the roster and I think with Jean healthy he should make a spot too. I think it's really unlikely that they carry 5 WRs this year unless someone just makes it impossible not to add that sixth spot for them.

I'd rather pass on Johnson, he just didn't seem able to capitalize on a chance to really make a splash on game day or on his chances of staying on the roster.
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Bryant Johnson couldn't beat KDub for a spot on game day. Why go through that experience again?

We need a WR who is a better #2 option than KDub.

Let's let the FO look at the guy, let the coaches work him out. If he's got the tools, then it's up to them to get the most out of him on game day... if they sign him.

If they don't sign him, no big deal. But the object right now should be to get someone who can supplant Kevin Walter at the #2 spot. KDub isn't so bad that we have to "take what we can get" but it shouldn't stop us from kicking the tires on Roy Williams either.
Neither were brought in to replace KW. They're coming in for depth and to compete for a roster spot. "If he's got the tools"? Dude's been in the league for 8 years now. If he hasn't shown that he has the tools yet, he ain't going to. It doesn't take a FO to determine which of the two would fit best. Plus, this is a friggin message board, where people make observations and state opinions.
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I have no reason to think that Kubiak has any reason to favor roy Williams. He is not getting bunches of money and his flaws are well documented. The rookies need some prove they are better than some dude who has done something in the NFL and Williams fits that bill.
Exactly! So unless you think Kubiak is somehow going to tilt the tables in favor of Roy Williams, you should have no reason to dislike the Texans giving him a shot. If he shows that he's matured and can still play, and he somehow makes the team, then the Texans are a better team. If he shows that he's the same old Roy Williams, then he won't make the team and no harm, no foul.

The one exception I'd take is if they give him a million bucks just to show up to camp, a la Roosevelt Colvin some years back. That still annoys me.
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I'd like to trade some picks for Wallace who did not show up for Steelers TC.
I'm pretty sure we can't afford him.
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With as many rookies as the Texans have, i'm not opposed to bringing any vet in no matter who...competition is never bad... A fear that your job isn't secure is for sure motivational, in any line of work...
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He has the size and the speed. I know he never really panned out BUT neither did jason babin until recently, now he is tearing it up. Give him a shot and u could be surprised, if it don't work out atleast u won't be dissapointed
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Roy is one of those athletes who was blessed with off-the-charts natural ability and cursed with zero passion for the game.

It's conceivable he is just now realizing that his gift has an expiration date and he needs to enjoy what he's got while he's got it.

My guess is that it's extremely likely he will crap out again, but if he seems eager to play for a modest sum of money he needs to be given a shot.
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I dont have a problem with them bringing in a vetern to look at and see what he has to offer.
Maybe he has something to offer....maybe not....
He did play under Wade Phillips at Dallas.
Maybe his attiude has changed since being cut....we will see......
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...you should have no reason to dislike the Texans giving him a shot. If he shows that he's matured and can still play, and he somehow makes the team, then the Texans are a better team.
Highlighted the hole in your reasoning. He never could play. There is nothing to see.
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I'd rather try out Plex !!
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I think this is an EXCELLENT idea.

Wait.

Hear me out.

We bring Roy Williams in. Then during training camp, we put Roy Williams and AJ side by side. We have them run the same routes and get thrown basically the same ball. AJ will run the right route, perfectly, and catch the ball. Roy Williams will run a lazy route and drop the ball.

So then we show all our rooks and 1st year WRs this contrast to make the point that one of these is the right way to go and the other is the NOT right way to go.

Then we cut Roy Williams.

Lesson learned.

This. It's all about making a teaching-tool film to show the puppies how it is and isn't done.
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I'd like to trade some picks for Wallace who did not show up for Steelers TC.
Like a couple of 1st rounders, and a premium veteran player, maybe?

Think I'll pass on that one.
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Being a little more serious has anyone ever not been able to catch consistently and then later in their career (assuming they managed to stick around despite not being able to catch consistently) suddenly become able to catch consistently?

Anybody? I can't think of anyone.
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Being a little more serious has anyone ever not been able to catch consistently and then later in their career (assuming they managed to stick around despite not being able to catch consistently) suddenly become able to catch consistently?

Anybody? I can't think of anyone.
It's usually happened gradually over a few years and early in the receiver's career.

When Jerry Rice first came into the league, the knock on him was his hands. His first season with the Niners, iirc, he had a case of stone hands. But he worked his ass off and got better and better.

AJ didn't have the greatest concentration early in his career and he'd drop some balls here and there. He's gotten infinitely better although he did have a few strange drops this year.
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I'm pretty sure we can't afford him.
I'm pretty sure I could cut enough to afford him. lol
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Highlighted the hole in your reasoning. He never could play. There is nothing to see.
82---1,310---16.0---60T---7

I'd take that. Hell, for a #2 or #3 WR, I'd take:

64---838---13.1---91T---5

Both of those are actual stat lines for Roy Williams, if you hadn't suspected.
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Like a couple of 1st rounders, and a premium veteran player, maybe?

Think I'll pass on that one.
If Pittsburgh knows he is not going to play for them, do they pay him or get what they can? Yes, I would give two firsts for an all pro WR. I'd throw in Walter and Posey also.
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