WRs who might be in the 2013 Draft

[76Texan]

Let me go ahead and create a separate thread for this position.

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

Let's start a list of players to watch in 2013. Make a list of players by position that you think will be great or that you think are currently underrated and by position as you think they will apply to Texans needs.
Example, I think WR will be a big need again regardless of what we did in this years draft and I think it will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. The guys I like at WR are:
WR:
Justin Hunter, DaRick Rogers, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and Ryan Swope, Terrance Williams but they both might have QB issues this year.


Let's see some of the guys you'll be keeping an eye on.

I'm gonna move my posts regarding the WRs over to this thread as well,
I think it will be easier to keep track of the players.

[76Texan]

I think Baylor has more than just Terrance Williams; the other two guys look pretty good, too. (Lanear Thompson and Tevin Reese - Reese is an underclassman and may stay in school unless he has a monster year.)

Mark your calendar for Elon's Aaron Mellette.
They have only 2 games on TV (UNC - ACC Network and another game on ESPN3). This guy looks pretty good on the videos I've found so far.
His production is outstanding. Will probably go in the first 3 rounds, maybe on day 1.

Clemson's Sam Watkins might come out early. Remember his name.

Watch W. Virginia for the QB Geno Smith, but also for their 2 WRs Bailey and Austin; they are small but they are both playmakers.
It will be interesting to see how they do in the Big 12 this year.

There are a few more that I want to keep an eye on but I don't have enough info on them yet.

[76Texan]

When you watch USC next year for Barkley, the QB, you will have to watch his receivers.
Robert Woods will be a Jr, and he might come out early as a good route runner and an overall guy who gets the job done.

But you will also have to look at Marqise Lee, who will be a Sophomore.
This guy alreay made a lot of big plays as a Freshman. If he continues his growth, there's a good chance that he'll declare.

Depending on how some of the younger guys perform, the next receiver draft might rival this last one in term of depth or in term of relative quality.

[76Texan]

Then there's Keenan Allen (California) who appeared to be better than Marvin Jones (Bengals 5th round pick).
Some scouting sites had him in the first round, others in the second.

And the other guy besides Nick Toon whom Wilson threw the ball to:
Jared Abbrederis. He actually had a better ypc than Toon.
He caught my attention while I was scouting Nick Toon.
I saw 2nd and 3rd round grade on him from various sites.

[76Texan]

A little-known prospect is a receiver from Marshall: Aaron Dobson.

There was very little game tape on Marshall football as we know it.


Here's some tidbids I've learned about Dobson:


6'2 - 205
4.49 speed per NFL Draftscout.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...2013&genpos=WR

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Production:

2011: 49 catches - 668 yards - 12 TDs
He was playing with a Freshman QB

2010:
44 catches - 689 yards - 5 TDs
He led the teams in these categories as a Sophmore

2009:
15 - 362 - 4 as a Freshman
(24.13 ypc)


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July 9, 2012
HUNTINGTON, W.Va.-Marshall's Aaron Dobson has been selected to the 2012 College Football Performance Awards (CFPA) Wide Receiver Watch List.

http://www.herdzone.com/sports/m-foo...070912aaf.html

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Catch vs S. Miss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jeMfvA9pZU

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TD vs Miami Ohio on a post route vs Cover 1/3

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=312600195

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Aaron Dobson 29 Yd Pass From Rakeem Cato vs Vtech

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN9dbKjREZEAaron

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The catch vs ECU:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCdFF...57890311C08D3C

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vs FIU Beef O Brady Bowl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AhUAgSqy-U

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2011 Highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spj4V...eature=related

[Wolf6151]

What do you think of Quinton Patton-WR from Louisiana Tech? He seems to have good size and very good productivity last season.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

What do you think of Quinton Patton-WR from Louisiana Tech? He seems to have good size and very good productivity last season.

Since you're already on him, can you do a recap similar to what I did for Dobson?

Here are what I can pull up on him:


This highlight tape from 2010 should be taken with a grain of salt since it was in Community College; there are certain good traits that can be seen here, nonetheless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMI2V_cBHoY

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The rest are better samples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxBvWx3z3UI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...oSrRGKIp0&NR=1



Central Ark
Forget about this game; Central Arkansas is a bad defense in the minor league FCS

vs houston

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=312602348

vs Miss St
http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=312670344


FRESNO St. isn't so hot either, but let's go ahead and include the highlights in here:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=313090278

http://espn.go.com/ncf/video?gameId=313090278

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Overall, I see a fluid athlete with good measurable, definitely having a draftable grade.

He has much better lateral agility than Josh Gordon.

Where he end up will depend on how much more he can improve over the next year.

He's one of the reasons why I'm not sure next year receiver class is not as good as the one we just had.

We'll just have to wait and see how many guys continue with their development and how many underclassmen declare.

There are still more guys under my radar (that I've haven't gotten to or haven't studied enough about.)

[steelbtexan]

Dobson is a stud.

I've got Rodgers and Dobson rated 1-2 WR's in the draft.

Even though I haven't done any research yet.

Even though Hunter had ACL surgery, How do you guys have him rated in comparison to his teammate Rodgers?

[Wolf6151]

76Texan, when I watch the youtube video's you posted on Patton I see a guy with good speed but not great, very good quickness/agility but not great, very good athleticism, very good field awareness on sideline routes, catches with his hands, and seems to have good concentration on the ball. It also looks like he's not afraid to go across the middle, and not afraid of contact. He seems to have many of the basic tools to become a good WR. What's impossible to see in highlight video's is his route running ability and whether the separation he gets on big plays are the result of his quality play or blown coverage. Also the level of competition is suspect but he looks to have some potential if he continues to grow, stay healthy, and improve. He's definitely worth keeping an eye on, and I hope that our scouts are doing just that.

SteelB, I like Hunter better than Rodgers. Hunter is more athletic, graceful, smooth, looks faster, and catches with his hands. I think Rodgers catches way to many balls with his body and just lacks that smooth graceful movement that comes from great athleticism. If Hunter proves he's over the ACL injury and has a great year, which he should, he should go before Rodgers in the draft and could go top 10.

[steelbtexan]

Thanks for the info Wolf.

I will keep an eye out for Hunter.

[76Texan]

I've been watching a bunch of Vols game in both 2010 and 2011 (too many), and Yeah, Hunter is taller and faster and smoother.
Some already put him in the same class as AJ Green as Julio Jones.
I'm not ready to do that yet.

In 2010, he was a Freshman and the Vols had Seniors in front of him so Hunter wasn't a starter. When he came into games; he saw single coverage exclusively.
His big plays were basically against lesser known quantity.

Yes, he did have a 37-yd catch against Mathieu, but this guy is at most 5'9 (I kinda doubt he's even that "tall"). Mathieu is a good CB, but when the ball is well-thrown over a short CB, there wasn't much the guy can do.

He does have great potential though, and will probably be a first rounder.

Don't go to sleep on Rogers; however.
He's the more physical of the two, but unless he can improve on his long speed and get rid of his "drops", he won't be a first rounder, maybe not even a second rounder.

What he's right now is a guy that can stick his foot in the ground and make a good cut. He also has a good double move to run the deep route (he hasn't ran many of them, however).

He got seperation from Mathieu a couple of times and we know that Mathieu is a very quick cover corner.
He was in a few good battles with the likes of Kirkpatrick, Claiborne, and Gilmore.

His production was very good for a guy who had faced many top defenders and defenses. The quality of defenses he Vols faced went through the roof after Hunter got injured last year. Even so, Rogers saw double coverage at times.

The Vols also got a new guy, a previous 5-star recruit who was the best receiver in the JUCO rank last year - Cordarrelle Patterson.
This guy is another monster. Tall, fast, and smooth. He has very good lateral movement, especially for a big guy.
Watch out for him.

Last year, their line was young (only one Jr).
With a more experienced QB in Bray, I see an explosive offense this year.

[badboy]

My review from my May mock for 2013:

1. WR Da'Rick Rogers Tennesse (junior) 6'3" 215 He is noted to have "issues" but facts are the 2010 disorderly conduct & resisting arrest after a cop was knocked out were dismissed. He had a run in with strength coach & threatened him & was banned from off season activities for two weeks. Never suspended. Coach McKeefery was in his first year with Tenn & is a former Army performance coordinator Special Forces so may be a tad gung ho. Also note that Tenn Vols hired 7 new assistants. I think Rogers will do fine but expect him to enter draft after this season. He might be better than any WR in 2012 draft.

See this link on his 40 speed: http://www.eagleseyeblog.com/2012-ar...at-counts.html

Back in 2009, as expected, several prospects stood out. One of these young men, wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers, ran a blistering 4.34 40-yard dash at a mind boggling 6'2, 197-lbs. *Note this is a hand held device.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by badboy

My review from my May mock for 2013:

1. WR Da'Rick Rogers Tennesse (junior) 6'3" 215 He is noted to have "issues" but facts are the 2010 disorderly conduct & resisting arrest after a cop was knocked out were dismissed. He had a run in with strength coach & threatened him & was banned from off season activities for two weeks. Never suspended. Coach McKeefery was in his first year with Tenn & is a former Army performance coordinator Special Forces so may be a tad gung ho. Also note that Tenn Vols hired 7 new assistants. I think Rogers will do fine but expect him to enter draft after this season. He might be better than any WR in 2012 draft.

See this link on his 40 speed: http://www.eagleseyeblog.com/2012-ar...at-counts.html

Back in 2009, as expected, several prospects stood out. One of these young men, wide receiver Da'Rick Rogers, ran a blistering 4.34 40-yard dash at a mind boggling 6'2, 197-lbs. *Note this is a hand held device.

I don't know how much stock we can put into those time.
It just seems like so many guys were timed in the 4.3s in college only to disappoint during combine. Even their pro-day results might be questionable (some tracks are faster then others, for one.)

He's currently listed at 6'3 - 215. So the weight gained may have some effect.
I definitely don't see 4.34.

I normally try to check out guys running deep routes; let's say a straight go route (free release, no double move).

I look at the clock when the ball is snapped and stopped the tape at different intervals on the field.

I compare that with all the receivers that I've timed over the years.

The more routes I can time them, the more I'm comfortable with their playing speed.

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You think quite highly of him, as in "better than any receiver in the last draft - 2012", which means you like him even better than Blackmon and the rest.

Me, I don't think I'd go there yet.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I don't know how much stock we can put into those time.
It just seems like so many guys were timed in the 4.3s in college only to disappoint during combine. Even their pro-day results might be questionable (some tracks are faster then others, for one.)

He's currently listed at 6'3 - 215. So the weight gained may have some effect.
I definitely don't see 4.34.

I normally try to check out guys running deep routes; let's say a straight go route (free release, no double move).

I look at the clock when the ball is snapped and stopped the tape at different intervals on the field.

I compare that with all the receivers that I've timed over the years.

The more routes I can time them, the more I'm comfortable with their playing speed.

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You think quite highly of him, as in "better than any receiver in the last draft - 2012", which means you like him even better than Blackmon and the rest.

Me, I don't think I'd go there yet.

Understand your comments but the last two combines have put some focus on the 40 times and it was not positive. We can refer to Kendall Wright's time when several hand held devices had him faster than the official time. If Rogers runs 4.50 at that size he will be good enough.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

I don't know how much stock we can put into those time.
It just seems like so many guys were timed in the 4.3s in college only to disappoint during combine. Even their pro-day results might be questionable (some tracks are faster then others, for one.)

He's currently listed at 6'3 - 215. So the weight gained may have some effect.
I definitely don't see 4.34.

I normally try to check out guys running deep routes; let's say a straight go route (free release, no double move).

I look at the clock when the ball is snapped and stopped the tape at different intervals on the field.

I compare that with all the receivers that I've timed over the years.

The more routes I can time them, the more I'm comfortable with their playing speed.

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You think quite highly of him, as in "better than any receiver in the last draft - 2012", which means you like him even better than Blackmon and the rest.

Me, I don't think I'd go there yet.

I saw Rodgers play last yr and I'm not ready to go there either. Rodgers does have the potential to be as good as people think if he's willing to work at it. IMHO

What is your opinion of Bray? I think he was the best QB I saw last yr.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I saw Rodgers play last yr and I'm not ready to go there either. Rodgers does have the potential to be as good as people think if he's willing to work at it. IMHO

What is your opinion of Bray? I think he was the best QB I saw last yr.

Best QB you saw last year, including RG III and Russell Wilson?

I have to disagree on that.

The best 3 QBs I saw last year was Wilson, Keenum, and RG III.

These 3 guys performed the best under pressure, which is what one would expect in the NFL.

Bray is a good prospect that is on schedule in his development, as I see it.

He plays well when he has time to throw the ball.
The Cincinnati game, for example, saw Hunter and Rogers getting open at will (on the same plays) quickly.

Bray didn't play terrible under pressure, but he played poorly as compared to the three I mentioned.
He accumulated his stats against weaker opponents on the schedule.

Obviously, he's still young.
If he continues to improve, he can have a bright future.
He has the tools and the size.
He has weapons.
His O-line should improve with experience.
Everything lines up for him to have a good year.
He should be able to take advantage of it.

I haven't paid close attention to Tyler Wilson; the guy I've seen enough is Matt Barkley and he was better than Bray last year (but of course, Barkley has a year on Bray.)

[76Texan]

Next up is Marcus Davis, VTech.

6'4 - 228

40 time: 4.44 ave.;
as low as 4.37 (timed at VTech in 2010)
44" vertical (posted at VTech in 2010)

Production:

30 catches, 510 yards (17 ypc), 5 TDs as a Jr last year.

Had a reception for four yards at Marshall before suffering a foot injury (a sprain that forced him to leave the game) ... Saw action for six plays against Clemson before re-aggravating foot injury from previous week .

The real catch: He was recruited as a QB.

[Wolf6151]

Originally Posted by 76Texan

Next up is Marcus Davis, VTech.

6'4 - 228

40 time: 4.44 ave.;
as low as 4.37 (timed at VTech in 2010)
44" vertical (posted at VTech in 2010)

Production:

30 catches, 510 yards (17 ypc), 5 TDs as a Jr last year.

Had a reception for four yards at Marshall before suffering a foot injury (a sprain that forced him to leave the game) ... Saw action for six plays against Clemson before re-aggravating foot injury from previous week .

The real catch: He was recruited as a QB.

He's not ranked by Walterfootball and CBS has him as an UDFA, so naturally the Texans will be looking at him in the 3rd round.

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

He's not ranked by Walterfootball and CBS has him as an UDFA, so naturally the Texans will be looking at him in the 3rd round.

Very funny stuff.

Repped

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

He's not ranked by Walterfootball and CBS has him as an UDFA.

At the moment he should be an UDFA (just as Josh Gordon).

Even though he's a bit more raw than Gordon, he has better measurables and potential, and no red flag (I think).

He has already caught some eyes (not that I necessarily agree with them).

From the Baylor Bears MB:
Mel Kiper recently unveiled his top 5 returning senior players per position and our very own Terrance Williams came in as the #1 receiver:
1. Terrance Williams
2. Denard Robinson
3. Tavon Austin
4. Cobi Hamilton
5. Marcus Davis

If you're an ESPN insider's subscriber (which I'm not), you can get the scoop here:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story...leven%3dtwelve

Chad Reuter (NFL Network) has him at #8 in his list of the top draft-eligible college players for next year.

8. Marcus Davis, 6-4, 228, Virginia Tech
This former quarterback has an elite combination of size and speed, but has only flashed those skills so far with the Hokies (30 catches, 510 yards, five touchdowns in 2011). Successfully stepping into a starring role with the Hokies in 2012, with the help of junior quarterback Logan Thomas, should shoot Davis up draft boards in a hurry.
NFL comparison: Marques Colston

Walter Football Camp Foundation named him on their watch list for the Biletnikoff Award (Presented to the nation's most outstanding receiver).