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Old 07-11-2012   #121
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AP, you fugged up. Just move on.
Let's just pretend for a minute that he didn't do what they say he did. Let's pretend that maybe they had no just cause to arrest him, and therefore no basis for a resisting arrest charge. After all, there is no accompanying charge for which he would have been arrested and subsequently resisted. So let's just pretend that he feels he's innocent, and maybe even is innocent. What should he do? If he were going to loudly proclaim his innocence and figuratively shout it from the roof tops, what lawyer would he hire? There are a lot of our rights being eroded in this country, but at least you can still fight for your day in court if you think you're innocent.

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Adrian Peterson laid hands on an officer who was asking him and his group to leave.
And you know this because ... ? He and Rusty Hardin deny it. The initial report said he did. We'll find out when the court decision is made, I reckon, but you don't know any more than anyone else on this board. Personally, I am in a complete wait and see mode.
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Let's just pretend for a minute that he didn't do what they say he did. Let's pretend that maybe they had no just cause to arrest him, and therefore no basis for a resisting arrest charge. After all, there is no accompanying charge for which he would have been arrested and subsequently resisted. So let's just pretend that he feels he's innocent, and maybe even is innocent. What should he do? If he were going to loudly proclaim his innocence and figuratively shout it from the roof tops, what lawyer would he hire? There are a lot of our rights being eroded in this country, but at least you can still fight for your day in court if you think you're innocent.
You honestly think a guy in a bar at 2 a.m., who had been told to leave numerous times, is innocent of all this??? Or that it needs wait-and-see privileges???

Okie dokie.

Look, the cops didn't go yank some librarian out of bed at 2 a.m. and charge him with a bogus crime. This was a BAR. At 2 in the morning. Tell me again how this might not be what I think it is.

Once again, this whole "Our rights are being eroded" crap is not justification or rationalization for anything where a guy at 2 a.m. in a bar mouths off and then probably resists efforts to get him out the door.

Only in America can we find ways to exonerate the guilty and imprison the innocent. THAT is the real travesty, eriadoc. And you know it.
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Only in America can we find ways to exonerate the guilty and imprison the innocent. THAT is the real travesty, eriadoc. And you know it.
I'm not exonerating anyone. I am generally of the opinion that nothing good happens at 2AM. I'm simply saying that you don't KNOW **** and nor do I. And I'm also saying that this is America, so he has the right to his day in court. Good for him.

Sorry if that was an especially complicated post.
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I'm not exonerating anyone. I am generally of the opinion that nothing good happens at 2AM. I'm simply saying that you don't KNOW **** and nor do I. And I'm also saying that this is America, so he has the right to his day in court. Good for him.

Sorry if that was an especially complicated post.
All he did was get taken downtown and booked. Hell, it probably saved his life.

My only point is that AP knows full well he was drunk and was asking for such an ending. That he'd tie up the courts AND slander the cops is very telling.

He worries about his public image? Then he should be more cautious with how he acts in public.

Day in court? Fine by me. Doesn't take away from the sticky nature of the ordeal.
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And you know this because ... ? He and Rusty Hardin deny it.
Roger & Rusty deny Clemons took steroids. Most of America doesn't buy that, either.
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Roger & Rusty deny Clemons took steroids. Most of America doesn't buy that, either.
That's true. The key difference is that Clemens was never going to stand trial for taking steroids. AP will be forcing a trial for this particular charge, so I guess we'll actually get to find out.
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That's true. The key difference is that Clemens was never going to stand trial for taking steroids. AP will be forcing a trial for this particular charge, so I guess we'll actually get to find out.
If it goes to court, there is a likelihood that we find out much more about AP than we now know............and that he would want us to know.
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You honestly think a guy in a bar at 2 a.m., who had been told to leave numerous times, is innocent of all this??? Or that it needs wait-and-see privileges???

Okie dokie.

Look, the cops didn't go yank some librarian out of bed at 2 a.m. and charge him with a bogus crime. This was a BAR. At 2 in the morning. Tell me again how this might not be what I think it is.

Once again, this whole "Our rights are being eroded" crap is not justification or rationalization for anything where a guy at 2 a.m. in a bar mouths off and then probably resists efforts to get him out the door.

Only in America can we find ways to exonerate the guilty and imprison the innocent. THAT is the real travesty, eriadoc. And you know it.

Only in American can there be people like you who throw out "innocent until proven guilty" and blindly accept "guilty until proven innocent"


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Obviously, I don't know, but if I were to guess, it's because they didn't want to cause a scene by kicking out a celebrity and they were just willing to wait it out till closing time. But he didn't leave, even when the police officer told him and his group they needed to go, twice.
You said you would wait until closing time on an asshat then security would remove them. My question is why would you, Stemp wait that long? Doesn't your employer have the right to withhold service from certain people?
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It's not sick. Abuse OF the legal system is a major reason for rising health care costs (frivolous lawsuits).

And now a wealthy, above-the-law NFL star thinks he deserves a day in court.

At 2 a.m. in a bar, being asked to leave, refusing, being asked again, then laying hands on a cop (from behind, according to reports)....yeah, I'll go with what I said and continue to say: AP should've (a) been in control of himself, (b) should take his jailing like a man and simply resolve to be smarter in the future.

But hey, it's more fun to make the lives of a few cops miserable over such a DUMB situation to begin with.

Watch the personal insults toward fellow members too. I would never call you "sick." I might give reasons why I disagree with you, but I will never call names at you. Give me the same courtesy, fair?
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You said you would wait until closing time on an asshat then security would remove them. My question is why would you, Stemp wait that long? Doesn't your employer have the right to withhold service from certain people?
I said security would remove them if they didn't leave.

Think about how many people are in a club and how big a ruckus there would be if a celebrity was tossed while everyone was still there, especially if the only thing they did wrong was act like prima donna, which likely most people don't see because they aren't paying attention.

Now, imagine the club is mostly cleared out and people are required to leave and that person doesn't. You now have a good excuse to get security to escort them out and there are fewer people there to start any trouble or get in the way.

The club doesn't any trouble and probably was willing to deal with a difficult celebrity customer till the end of the night. Sure, they could cut them off and get the bouncers to toss them, but it's probably not worth the hassle, uproar and bad PR to do.

The fact is, if Peterson and his group didn't leave when asked, they was going to get escorted out anyways. Sounds to me like he did something stupid while drunk and he got has ass arrested.
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It's not sick. Abuse OF the legal system is a major reason for rising health care costs (frivolous lawsuits).
Yeah it is sick and your injection of an uneducated off-topic health care costs assertion is ridiculous as well.

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Thinks he deserves? Please crawfish that statement in some fashion to try to demonstrate any basic knowledge of not just our legal system but founding principles.

He doesn't think he deserves a day in court - EVERY FREAKING PERSON CHARGED WITH ANY CRIMINAL CHARGE IS ENTITLED TO A DAY IN COURT.
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Well hello stawman

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Every person deserves his or her day in court. Everyone. A person's status in this case one in which makes you jealous shouldnt have any impact on said person's rights


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At 2 a.m. in a bar, being asked to leave, refusing, being asked again, then laying hands on a cop (from behind, according to reports)....yeah, I'll go with what I said and continue to say: AP should've (a) been in control of himself, (b) should take his jailing like a man and simply resolve to be smarter in the future.

I like how you use whatever portion of he said she said to fit what you think should be done. He should take his jailing like a man? What kind of nonsense are you talking?

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But hey, it's more fun to make the lives of a few cops miserable over such a DUMB situation to begin with.

Watch the personal insults toward fellow members too. I would never call you "sick." I might give reasons why I disagree with you, but I will never call names at you. Give me the same courtesy, fair?
Your actions or should I say your need to remove someone's rights is sick. People are innocent until proven guilty and to change the system to fit your personal beliefs is crazy. If I see a situation that sickenss me I am certainly going to state it.
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The attorneys agreed to reset the case for Monday, August 6, which could disrupt Peterson’s training camp schedule if he needs to be in Houston. Peterson’s lawyer, Rusty Hardin, has consistently insisted that the charges should be dropped because Peterson did nothing wrong. He faces a misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest.

Hardin says six witnesses are prepared to testify that Peterson didn’t shove an officer, contrary to what the police claim, and that Peterson was on the way out of the downtown Houston bar he had patronized when the incident with off-duty officers working security began. Hardin has painted Peterson as a victim, not a perpetrator, and says Peterson wants to be completely exonerated. Even if the case does go forward, Peterson is unlikely to face any more than a fine.

One autograph seeker in the courtroom got Peterson’s signature. No word on whether Peterson charged him $125.
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It's not sick. Abuse OF the legal system is a major reason for rising health care costs (frivolous lawsuits).

And now a wealthy, above-the-law NFL star thinks he deserves a day in court.

At 2 a.m. in a bar, being asked to leave, refusing, being asked again, then laying hands on a cop (from behind, according to reports)....yeah, I'll go with what I said and continue to say: AP should've (a) been in control of himself, (b) should take his jailing like a man and simply resolve to be smarter in the future.

But hey, it's more fun to make the lives of a few cops miserable over such a DUMB situation to begin with.
Note to self... add "that GP did not live in the Civil Rights era" to list of blessings to count.
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Note to self... add "that GP did not live in the Civil Rights era" to list of blessings to count.
That's pretty sad.

You know those times when you need the edit button before things get quoted? This is one of those times for you.

I think most people are sick and tired of the racial issues. And comments like that are not worth the effort required to respond to.

Because he's black, and because I said what I said, you're using bad math to create a bad answer. But hey, your evaluation/analysis skills have been pretty bad on football issues too...so what the hay, it's par for the course I suppose.
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That's pretty sad.

You know those times when you need the edit button before things get quoted? This is one of those times for you.

I think most people are sick and tired of the racial issues. And comments like that are not worth the effort required to respond to.

Because he's black, and because I said what I said, you're using bad math to create a bad answer. But hey, your evaluation/analysis skills have been pretty bad on football issues too...so what the hay, it's par for the course I suppose.


The civil rights era has to do with civil rights. Your statement was about removing someone's rights, it had nothing to do with the man's color. Well that is unless the only reason you think AP doesnt deserve his day in court is because he is black
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That's pretty sad.

You know those times when you need the edit button before things get quoted? This is one of those times for you.

I think most people are sick and tired of the racial issues. And comments like that are not worth the effort required to respond to.

Because he's black, and because I said what I said, you're using bad math to create a bad answer. But hey, your evaluation/analysis skills have been pretty bad on football issues too...so what the hay, it's par for the course I suppose.
Well, I was actually thinking Bill of Rights, but that was too long ago. I was speaking more to personal liberties.

But I see what you're saying.
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