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Old 07-09-2012   #81
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Don't have a problem with the jobs, but police should carry the same authority when they are doing an off duty security job as any other random security guard, i.e., any regular citizen. The companies that hired LEOs for off duty security work under that scenario would still be getting value for their dollar, because security guards in all other ways are a joke. So it really wouldn't impact the jobs part of it, IMO.
Im not going to argue the politics of it. Your entitled completly to your perspective. But to me its a win / win for everyone. Officers can make more money, businesses get a necessary service, and more uniformed officers mean more of a deterent for crime as a whole for the community. Try working a bank 2 days after it's been robbed and you can see what a relief it is for some people.

On a personal note my goal in working side jobs is to make a check and not get into sh*t. Agencies routinely punish their officers by suspending their privledge to work extra and make the additional money. Thats why its a bit harder for me to believe these officers went after such a high profile person. I doubt they intentionally went gung ho on ap to prove some point. That doesn't mean they didnt do something wrong or stupid along the way way but I doubt it was ever their original intent. Ive had to chase drunk people out of rented ball rooms before myself and its not the easiest task. The problem usually ends when 1 of 2 things happens:

You explain to them their past the time rented and to stay longer will mean more charges from the business (as in thousands more)

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You start unplugging the dj's equipment

That doesn't always work. Drunk people arent always reasonable. You try to be nice and understand people are just having a good time, but a business owner has rights to. Usually theres a staff who needs to clean up and wants to go home as well.

Ultimately, ap is innocent till proven guilty and he'll have his day in court. Fortunately for him, I think he can afford innocence more then the average joe. Must be nice.
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I knew about Peterson's dad (money laundering).

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When he was thirteen years old his father was sentenced to ten years in prison for money laundering in connection with illegal drugs. Nelson Peterson served nearly eight years of his prison sentence and was released in October 2006. His brother was hit and killed by a drunk driver while riding his bicycle as a kid. His stepbrother, Chris Paris, was shot and killed in Houston, Texas, one day before Adrian's participation in the 2007 NFL Scouting Combine.
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Hardin contends Peterson was only at the club for 30-40 minutes before closing time, an assertion that could debunk the club's claim that the running back was acting rudely all night.

"There will be no patron who will say that he was being obnoxious or doing anything wrong," Hardin said in a phone interview with the Star Tribune. "And there aren't going to be any witnesses, other than one or two of the officers, that claim he even touched an officer. But TMZ [and the nightclub general manager] made it sound like he was hell on water."

The wheels for the Hardin-Peterson union were set in motion while the Vikings' star was still in jail, a clear indication that Peterson badly wants the stains to his reputation removed and his rap sheet wiped clean.

Hardin said the legal hope is that the district attorney's office investigates, talks to witnesses, identifies the Houston Police Department's claims as embellished and/or bogus and drops the charges. But even that scenario could have complications, given Peterson's celebrity status and the possibility that prosecutors could push the issue to avoid the perception they're cutting a star a break.

Realistically, the resolution could be a ways off. And, inevitably, the spotlight will shine brightly on the case as long as it lasts.

Little of this will impact the Vikings as a team. But when training camp opens in Mankato in two weeks, Peterson's legal issues will be a hot story line, an annoyance the running back and the organization would rather be without.
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I swear I'm not trying to be funny, but the first thing I thought when I saw that pic was Wanda Wayne. I hate to say that, but it was an honest reaction. Get the man a blond wig and he's good to go.
There was something amusing about that picture that I couldn't quite pinpoint, and you nailed it! Hilarious, man!



This story scream Occam's razor to me. Either multiple people were in on a conspiracy to make Peterson look bad in a misdemeanor arrest, or he was acting the drunken fool. I'll take the path of least resistance. I have little patience for those that can't handle their booze.
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I become very skeptical when I hear high-profile attorneys publicly putting out extensive dogmatic statements.
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A man working extra time, to make more money for him and his family????

Of course we can see how this is questionable. I mean, working AT ALL in this country has become taboo...let alone working EXTRA.

That man can go and risk his life and be paid, but if he works an evening event that's relatively safe...then he's over the line! Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the utterly worthless nuanced crap I read on here.
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A man working extra time, to make more money for him and his family????

Of course we can see how this is questionable. I mean, working AT ALL in this country has become taboo...let alone working EXTRA.

That man can go and risk his life and be paid, but if he works an evening event that's relatively safe...then he's over the line! Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the utterly worthless nuanced crap I read on here.
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I become very skeptical when I hear high-profile attorneys publicly putting out extensive dogmatic statements.
Especially for a mere misdemeanor. It screams "protect my image", because marketing opportunities are a big part of the cash grab these days. God forbid Peterson's squeaky clean image is tarnished by his own goofy actions.

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A man working extra time, to make more money for him and his family????

Of course we can see how this is questionable. I mean, working AT ALL in this country has become taboo...let alone working EXTRA.

That man can go and risk his life and be paid, but if he works an evening event that's relatively safe...then he's over the line! Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the utterly worthless nuanced crap I read on here.
Yeah, go figure. As just a regular member of the public, I have found that treating a cop (on or off duty) with respect usually results in getting respected back 99.9% of the time. Sure cops can be gruff, but jeez, I figure that's just a by-product of dealing with the bottom half of humanity for a job. I'm certainly not going to whine about sand in my vajayjay because he said a curse word. Give me a freakin' break.
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A man working extra time, to make more money for him and his family????

Of course we can see how this is questionable. I mean, working AT ALL in this country has become taboo...let alone working EXTRA.

That man can go and risk his life and be paid, but if he works an evening event that's relatively safe...then he's over the line! Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the utterly worthless nuanced crap I read on here.
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Especially for a mere misdemeanor. It screams "protect my image", because marketing opportunities are a big part of the cash grab these days. God forbid Peterson's squeaky clean image is tarnished by his own goofy actions.



Yeah, go figure. As just a regular member of the public, I have found that treating a cop (on or off duty) with respect usually results in getting respected back 99.9% of the time. Sure cops can be gruff, but jeez, I figure that's just a by-product of dealing with the bottom half of humanity for a job. I'm certainly not going to whine about sand in my vajayjay because he said a curse word. Give me a freakin' break.
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The hard to swallow message to Police: I want you around...........except when I don't want you around.
Yep. I stopped having issues with LEO when I stopped breaking the law. (Funny how that works.) Now I'm friends with HPD/HCSD officers, and I make a point to thank them for standing the line.

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Ever wonder why NBA players don't want to live here? Clubbing is often problematic.
If you use "clubbing" to mean imbibing in intoxicating substance, dragging your feet when told to leave a closing establishment, running your mouth, shoving and deciding to get a "drink of water" after being told to leave (all alleged at this time).
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I have the same misgiving - not specific to this story. I don't see why this power which belongs to everyone is not enough when off duty:



Maybe some tweaks for officers being automatic CHL off-duty, etc.



Supposedly they do have cameras.

Sure generally the cops working security are fine. The very great majority of the time in fact. But, and I am not saying this applies here, every once in a while you get the jackass. For example I was standing at a bar downtown next to a female friend and she started to get into an argument with the bartender. All the sudden I get two hand shoved in the back, whirl and there you go an off-duty but in uniform cop who literally said "what you gonna do?" As far as I am concerned he should have lost all legal protection at that point. If you can't have the professionalism expected of an on-duty officer then you shouldn't have the authority or protection when off-duty.
Just curious, why did your female friend get into an arguement with the bartender?
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Just curious, why did your female friend get into an arguement with the bartender?
Not sure I remember exactly - I think it was over consolidating a table tab and a bar tab. She was being strident no doubt but all it was just an ordinary raised voices by both parties argument. It was early afternoon and we were having lunch at the Cabo's in downtown.

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A man working extra time, to make more money for him and his family????

Of course we can see how this is questionable. I mean, working AT ALL in this country has become taboo...let alone working EXTRA.

That man can go and risk his life and be paid, but if he works an evening event that's relatively safe...then he's over the line! Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the utterly worthless nuanced crap I read on here.
GP or anyone slapping him on the back for this post please show where anyone has begrudged officers working two jobs or making money?

The only comments I have seen have been about the authority they are permitted to exercise while off-duty which includes working another job or out bird watching.
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GP or anyone slapping him on the back for this post please show where anyone has begrudged officers working two jobs or making money?

The only comments I have seen have been about the authority they are permitted to exercise while off-duty which includes working another job or out bird watching.
I think it probably has more to do with other comments that he's seen in other boards or blogs. At least that's what I took from it because I've seen some idiotic posts in other forums. I've seen some people actually question the fact that cops being able to work as a bouncer in a club and having it be a conflict of interest in a sense. That to me is crazy. I've never EVER been intimidated or felt uncomfortable with a cop working in a club except for the time I got a MIP in College Station from a cop working in a club. But he was just doing his job. I wasn't mad at him. I'm friends with 5 HPD officers and all of them work or have worked extra jobs.

One other thing that is intriguing to me is the amount of people that are so sure that Adrian Peterson would never do such a thing. Not comparing OJ Simpson to Peterson, but I'm sure people would have never suspected him of being capable of murder before it happened. I know it blindsided me. I've heard plenty of stories about AD and he's not as squeaky clean as people would love to believe. Doesn't mean he's a bad guy either. Point is people would be amazed at what these guys do behind closed doors. Its easy to hold them to higher standards but at the end of the day they're just like me and you. From all accounts of AD and the people that know him well, he's actually a lot more mellow and reserved now than what he was in HS and OU, but you are who you are. Plenty of nice guys make mistakes and have internal demons.
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I think it probably has more to do with other comments that he's seen in other boards or blogs. At least that's what I took from it because I've seen some idiotic posts in other forums. I've seen some people actually question the fact that cops being able to work as a bouncer in a club and having it be a conflict of interest in a sense. That to me is crazy. I've never EVER been intimidated or felt uncomfortable with a cop working in a club except for the time I got a MIP in College Station from a cop working in a club. But he was just doing his job. I wasn't mad at him. I'm friends with 5 HPD officers and all of them work or have worked extra jobs extra jobs.

One other thing that is intriguing to me is the amount of people that are so sure that Adrian Peterson would never do such a thing. Not comparing OJ Simpson to Peterson, but I'm sure people would have never suspected him of being capable of murder before it happened. I know it blindsided me. I've heard plenty of stories about AD and he's not as squeaky clean as people would love to believe. Doesn't mean he's a bad guy either. Point is people would be amazed at what these guys do behind closed doors. Its easy to hold them to higher standards but at the end of the day they're just like me and you. From all accounts of AD and the people that know him well, he's actually a lot more mellow and reserved than what he was in HS and OU, but you are who you are. Plenty of nice guys make mistakes and have internal demons.
Uh, do I want to know what an MIP is? Probably just so I can maybe get this image out of my mind.
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Uh, do I want to know what an MIP is? Probably just so I can maybe get this image out of my mind.
Minor in Possession (alcohol) Do I even wanna know what it is you were thinking?
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Uh, do I want to know what an MIP is? Probably just so I can maybe get this image out of my mind.
Minor In Possession, sounds like.

And yeah ... GP, I have no idea what you're ranting about.
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Just curious, why did your female friend get into an arguement with the bartender?


How would the subject of her issue with the bartender excuse Cak from getting pushed by the off duty officer?
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GP or anyone slapping him on the back for this post please show where anyone has begrudged officers working two jobs or making money?

The only comments I have seen have been about the authority they are permitted to exercise while off-duty which includes working another job or out bird watching.
I'm not sure of the origin of GP's rant. I was just using it to piggy back after reading powda's informative post. I think GP's last line was more from a perspective in general about some of the less-than-positive stories and anti-cop sentiment in the NSZ, but he would have to confirm that to be the case. Like you have said before, though, good cop stories are not really newsworthy so we do not talk about them.

As far as your second point, I have never really thought about it. But, if I was a club owner in need of security, I'd much rather have an HPD officer than some Barney Fife rent-a-cop. I can't speak for their authority on or off duty, but I thought cops were cops 24/7, regardless of on/off job status. That's pure assumption on my part, though, so nothing to support by way of law.
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As far as your second point, I have never really thought about it. But, if I was a club owner in need of security, I'd much rather have an HPD officer than some Barney Fife rent-a-cop. I can't speak for their authority on or off duty, but I thought cops were cops 24/7, regardless of on/off job status. That's pure assumption on my part, though, so nothing to support by way of law.
If I was a club owner I would prefer an officer as well.

I just have concerns over the authority and repercussions. A bouncer has the right to walk you to the door. If you pull your arm away you don't get charged with resisting arrest. A bouncer may chest bump you and you bump him back - it's just a batter and the ump arguing over the plate. Same thing happens with an officer and you may end up with an assaulting an officer charge. I think knowing they have the same power of enforcement encourages a minority of them to act more aggressively. I think them wearing their uniforms alone lends a weight to their instructions.
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