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Old 07-04-2012   #21
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He was given the nickname "Q-tip" by the press after the Hail Mary play.
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Love Quin but don't see offering him much to remain. I expect a draft pick to replace him.
How long did we go without having safeties worth a crap? A long friggin time. We should retain him, considering he should be affordable.
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To me, when I go back and look at that Miami game we played this past year. I recall him making a game saving tackle on a RB in the first half. It was a small contribution but at the time Miami was running pretty good on us and had he not made that tackle, the RB scores and that game becomes too close. I also believe later he caused a fumble that changed the direction of the game. Like I said, small contributions that made the difference in games. I want to keep Quin.
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I'd like to see Quin progress a little more this upcoming year to declare him a keeper.

His salary is bound to go up next year. And his play needs to improve to warrant that.

Otherwise, he would be just another rover, a dime-and-dozen.
Basically, good solid depth but not quite a starter on a team that strives to win a SB.

The same line of thought goes for KJ who also needs to improve his play.
His level of play in the second half of the year was close to how a #2 on a good team should play, but he still needs to do better than that to be a legit starter.
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Basically, good solid depth but not quite a starter on a team that strives to win a SB.
He's miles ahead of Matt Stevens who has a SB ring as a SB starter.
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I am a fan of troy nolan, he is a daniel manning type player and has shown a knack for the ball. Game changing ability is def there for nolan and he has good speed.
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Default Re: The Texans’ Unsung Defender - Glover Quin

Glover is blue collar, get the job done, not a lot of flash, but solid & versatile. He's not going anywhere.

He'll likely get a pay raise, but nothing jaw-dropping.

Being that he isn't flashy, he won't get a lot of attention from other teams. He'll be Texans for a long time to come.
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He's miles ahead of Matt Stevens who has a SB ring as a SB starter.
We're only talking about each player carrying his own weight on a contending team.

Such player sees the majority of the snaps (when healthy); ie. Daniel Manning.

We're not debating whether luck can give a player a SB ring.

I'm not knocking Quin.
He's still somewhat young.
If he can take one more step to the next level, we will be good.

Quin has been good value where we drafted him, but the same thing can also be said for Nolan.

It doesn't matter where they were drafted; once they are done with the original contract, they have to step up their game to earn the next one as a starter.
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We're only talking about each player carrying his own weight on a contending team.

Such player sees the majority of the snaps (when healthy); ie. Daniel Manning.

We're not debating whether luck can give a player a SB ring.
The point I was implying was you can look at every SB winner and they aren't all stars. Some of them are guys who hold down their position well enough. I guess you can call that luck.
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The point I was implying was you can look at every SB winner and they aren't all stars. Some of them are guys who hold down their position well enough. I guess you can call that luck.
I agree with you.

A team like the Texans, for example, if they can continue to bring on the pass rush (without blitzing too much - being forced to, instead of disguising it) can afford to carry a player of a lesser worth.

Or a team with a great center-fielder like Ed Reed can help out the secondary overall.

And maybe Manning can approach Reed's status.

But, we're talking about forward progress.

We cannot simply accept the same level of play from Quin (while giving him more money after this contract).
I'm saying this for several other players on the roster as well - and not singling out Quin.

Sure, we don't need eleven all-stars on defense.
but we need to balance our budget with a few all-stars and several "role" players (a few may make more difference than others).

A guy like Nolan can push Quin out of a job if he improves a little more (while Quin remains flat) purely due to economics.
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Jimmy Graham smoked Quin on a up route when Glover had him in man coverage. But, Graham had his way with a lot of DBs last year.
Exactly. Two pro bowlers are the names we can come up with. Add to that playing DB is a game of failure, like shooting hoops or swinging a bat. You're going to fail, plain and simple. The glaring failures we can cite are against top of the top quality receivers, with good to awesome QBs helping that.

If Quin's abilities were a dime-a-dozen, how come we don't have a dozen good DBs on the roster?

Better yet, name 12 DBs that you would consider quality starters that have ever put on a Houston Texans jersey.
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Exactly. Two pro bowlers are the names we can come up with. Add to that playing DB is a game of failure, like shooting hoops or swinging a bat. You're going to fail, plain and simple. The glaring failures we can cite are against top of the top quality receivers, with good to awesome QBs helping that.
Then when you take into account what Jacoby did to Ed Reed..... kinda makes your point. The key is to have as few of those bad plays as possible. I would wager Glover's bad highlight plays are about as few as any safety in the league (we're talking 2011 here).

The difference (& I understand where they're coming from) that the, "we need to upgrade that position" see, is that he doesn't have very many plus plays. He's a defender & he's going to make it difficult for a receiver to make a catch.. or for a QB to make a throw.. but he's not going to scare anyone, or rack up a bunch of pick 6es.

& that's cool. If there's a guy out there that is an obvious upgrade, but won't break the bank, let's get him. But for the money, I don't know we can do better than Glover, when you count the intangibles.

He's a leader & a baller.
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I agree with you.

A team like the Texans, for example, if they can continue to bring on the pass rush (without blitzing too much - being forced to, instead of disguising it) can afford to carry a player of a lesser worth.

Or a team with a great center-fielder like Ed Reed can help out the secondary overall.

And maybe Manning can approach Reed's status.

But, we're talking about forward progress.

We cannot simply accept the same level of play from Quin (while giving him more money after this contract).
I'm saying this for several other players on the roster as well - and not singling out Quin.

Sure, we don't need eleven all-stars on defense.
but we need to balance our budget with a few all-stars and several "role" players (a few may make more difference than others).

A guy like Nolan can push Quin out of a job if he improves a little more (while Quin remains flat) purely due to economics.
I agree with what you're saying. Its kind of a tough situation though.
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Continuity is just as important in the secondary as OL. Texans should be set with Manning & Quin @ safety with Joseph/Jackson CB's & nickle backs McCain/Harris. Plus young developmental DB's for depth we're good. In pecking order of importance right now I give edge to Glover over Jackson as #3 interesting since both contracts need evaluated. CB positionally has advantage, big season ahead for both & group in general.
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Another player that has more value for the Texans to keep than for other teams to take; but, that other teams will probably overpay to get him away from us. I say we up the ante until one of our division foes makes a stupid offer and then let him go there.
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The difference (& I understand where they're coming from) that the, "we need to upgrade that position" see, is that he doesn't have very many plus plays. He's a defender & he's going to make it difficult for a receiver to make a catch.. or for a QB to make a throw.. but he's not going to scare anyone, or rack up a bunch of pick 6es.

& that's cool. If there's a guy out there that is an obvious upgrade, but won't break the bank, let's get him. But for the money, I don't know we can do better than Glover, when you count the intangibles.
Well, barring a wave of cheap, all-star DBs falling from the sky I think I'm going to have get over his lack of int's. Besides, what good is J-Jo and Manning if they had a gaping hole between them? Having a competent, quality starter there just makes those two shine a little brighter.
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