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Old 07-02-2012   #61
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I hate judging on numbers because numbers can be skewed for so many reasons.

Everyone knows Andre has been the best WR in football for YEARS. At the very worst, 1a.

When you're dominant at your position for that long of a time, and your talents are what they are, you should go into the HOF, numbers be damned.
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Everyone as in those in the football world that's not a ****ing moron.
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I hate judging on numbers because numbers can be skewed for so many reasons.

Everyone knows Andre has been the best WR in football for YEARS. At the very worst, 1a.

When you're dominant at your position for that long of a time, and your talents are what they are, you should go into the HOF, numbers be damned.
While I feel where you're coming from, the truth is that its SUSTAINED PERFORMANCE that gets you into the Hall. Now one can gage sustained performance in at several ways:
1. Straight up numbers: Was the guy at or near the top of whatever performance stats important to his position year after year after year? This is where I kind of agree with Matrix because if you're in the right "system" your numbers can be inflated.

2. Post-season performance: Did the guy lead his team to post-season success and perform well on the big stage (see Lynn Swann)?

3. Did the guy's performance "change the game" relative to his position or if not a game changer, was he dominant at his position over the course of his career? If he was he should have a boat load of All Pro or Pro Bowls on his resume'.

You guys can probably think of others, but these are the three that spring instantly to mind when I think Hall of Fame.

When healthy, there's no question that A.J. is one of the dominant forces at WR. But he lacks the pure numbers and with only two post-season games on his resume', he's borderline at best ....at this point. If we get to the post-season and A.J. shines in each game, the pendulum will swing in his direction.
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While I feel where you're coming from, the truth is that its SUSTAINED PERFORMANCE that gets you into the Hall. Now one can gage sustained performance in at several ways:
1. Straight up numbers: Was the guy at or near the top of whatever performance stats important to his position year after year after year? This is where I kind of agree with Matrix because if you're in the right "system" your numbers can be inflated.

2. Post-season performance: Did the guy lead his team to post-season success and perform well on the big stage (see Lynn Swann)?

3. Did the guy's performance "change the game" relative to his position or if not a game changer, was he dominant at his position over the course of his career? If he was he should have a boat load of All Pro or Pro Bowls on his resume'.

You guys can probably think of others, but these are the three that spring instantly to mind when I think Hall of Fame.

When healthy, there's no question that A.J. is one of the dominant forces at WR. But he lacks the pure numbers and with only two post-season games on his resume', he's borderline at best ....at this point. If we get to the post-season and A.J. shines in each game, the pendulum will swing in his direction.
This is why I included all-pro and pro-bowls in my stats. AJ has put up some good numbers, although he has to continue putting them up. But he's already got some pretty good all-pro/pro-bowl numbers that put him up there with guys already in the league.

If he can have a couple of great seasons and a few more good seasons after that, AND if we can get him into the playoffs healthy and have him dominate, he should get into the HOF. Because after that many seasons of sustained performance, he'd be in the upper echelon in all those categories.

But we need to get him some more playoff wins and a SB or three.
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Everyone as in those in the football world that's not a ****ing moron.
Soooo .... none of the HoF voters. Got it.

I think based on greatness, AJ should get in. I think based on the random ass, inconsistent and totally FUBAR criteria that the HOF voters use, AJ doesn't get in. So it doesn't matter what I think. I also think Dr. Doom should be in the HoF.
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Soooo .... none of the HoF voters. Got it.

I think based on greatness, AJ should get in. I think based on the random ass, inconsistent and totally FUBAR criteria that the HOF voters use, AJ doesn't get in. So it doesn't matter what I think. I also think Dr. Doom should be in the HoF.
He should be there for sure. A baller if I've ever seen one. Still looks good today according to a recent Wiki photo. Searched but couldn't confirm and my memory is somewhat shaky but I'll go with #52.
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Cant believe no one has mentioned matt freaking stevens or fred "dont tase me bro" weary. Truly texans all time greats. Its gonna be a while yet fellas.
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