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Old 03-19-2012   #221
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If we need to sweeten the deal, I'd throw in Jacoby Jones since I think we'll be cutting him anyway.
And this is your idea of sweetening the deal?? To toss in a WR with suspect hands, questionable judgement, and decent return capability?
Did I mention the Browns already have the top returner in the AFC??
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I've read some posts on football forums that the Texans turned down the Browns #22 for Ben Tate offer.

They should've taken that if true.
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If he has another good year next year we should try to deal him if at all possible, because I highly doubt we'll be able to retain him after 2014 and we can at least hopefully get something for him in return.
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I've read some posts on football forums that the Texans turned down the Browns #22 for Ben Tate offer.

They should've taken that if true.
Got any sources for that? All I had seen was #37 for him, which is kind of a wash for us. It would let us reallocate resources, but I don't like the idea of having nothing behind Foster. Plus, Foster's future is more important than getting another WR. A reliable RB like Tate is vital to extending Foster's career, which is the real reason Tate is so valuable to us. I think the Texans made the right choice.

I think once Cleveland knew that trade wasn't going to happen, they switched gears from Blackmon, Tannehill or Claiborne and went for Richardson. Peyton Hillis made that offense sort of work in 2011, and they need a bell-cow RB like TR or Tate to carry the load.
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Tate is an NFL proven starting quality RB. #22 or #37 hasn't proven anything.

If Foster gets injured, w/out Tate we have no playoffs hope imo.
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Got any sources for that? All I had seen was #37 for him, which is kind of a wash for us. It would let us reallocate resources, but I don't like the idea of having nothing behind Foster. Plus, Foster's future is more important than getting another WR. A reliable RB like Tate is vital to extending Foster's career, which is the real reason Tate is so valuable to us. I think the Texans made the right choice.

I think once Cleveland knew that trade wasn't going to happen, they switched gears from Blackmon, Tannehill or Claiborne and went for Richardson. Peyton Hillis made that offense sort of work in 2011, and they need a bell-cow RB like TR or Tate to carry the load.
I really like Tate and know his worth in our system but if we could have picked #22 DeCastro and still selected rest of our draft, I'd like that also. Problem is I cannot find a RB at any of the other picks. I really like Brooks and he and DeCastro would erase my Oline concerns.
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I really like Tate and know his worth in our system but if we could have picked #22 DeCastro and still selected rest of our draft, I'd like that also. Problem is I cannot find a RB at any of the other picks. I really like Brooks and he and DeCastro would erase my Oline concerns.
Why? We have been playing with Wade Smith and Mike Brisiel the last two years at guard, neither were highly sought after when we got them. Smith isn't even all that good and is rather mediocre in pass protection. Brisiel was a nobody that the Texans turned into a good player. They can do it again, the system isn't really that dependent on guard play. I think it's relatively plug and play at those spots.

If we were redrafting with 22 and 26, I'd probably want Donta Hightower at 22, and Coby Fleener at 26. But like you said, I don't know where to get a RB in this draft given our picks. I suppose you could get Lamar Miller in the 3rd somewhere, or Cyrus Grey in the 5/6th if they moved around a little.
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I think maybe turning down the #22 IF true tells us about how FO evaluates Caldwell and Wade Smith.
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Piss off with #22.
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I'd have taken that 22 & tried to parlay it into a 2nd in the 2012 draft & a 1st in the 2013 draft.

Or even 2 2nds next year.

We're getting to the position where we need to be stockpiling picks, building the collateral we'll need if there is a player we want to move up for.

Time to start acting like the Patriots & really work the draft.
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If the Texans could've gotten #22 I would've done this deal.

#22. Hill

Re-sign Ward
Pick Cyrus Gray in the 5-6th rd.

I doubt this trade was offered though
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I've read some posts on football forums that the Texans turned down the Browns #22 for Ben Tate offer.

They should've taken that if true.
this obviously would have been before the start of the draft since the Browns traded up to insure that they got Richardson.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...-all-the-moves

and would not have traded an additional 1st for a back-up RB.
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this obviously would have been before the start of the draft since the Browns traded up to insure that they got Richardson.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...-all-the-moves

and would not have traded an additional 1st for a back-up RB.
Geez, someone actually put some thought into this.
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Why would you entertain trading Ben Tate this year? This time next year, sure. He would be entering his final year of his contract. Right now, I like the offense that ran for (between Foster and Tate) 2,166 yards. Of that, 942 were from Tate which is pretty substantial for someone with very limited opportunities.

SO, keep him around now and entertain trade ideas this time next year... NOT now.
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I'd have taken that 22 & tried to parlay it into a 2nd in the 2012 draft & a 1st in the 2013 draft.

Or even 2 2nds next year.

We're getting to the position where we need to be stockpiling picks, building the collateral we'll need if there is a player we want to move up for.

Time to start acting like the Patriots & really work the draft.
I'm gonna disagree TK. We have picks next season with the comps, I wanted another first round selection now, especially if it was DeCastro who would start this season.
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It's going to be Foster/Tate that gets us to the Superbowl so Cleveland can go shove it.
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All this trade Tate crap.....makes no sence. He is your insurance policy if Foster is hurt. Forsett took Ward's place. You trade Tate away. I just dont think that is very sound.

I have said this before.....Foster and Tate make a good combo.....Foster the slasher....Tate the bruiser. They feed off each other. They both complement each other.

I just think it is a mistake to do trade him and am against it .........
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I'd have taken that 22 & tried to parlay it into a 2nd in the 2012 draft & a 1st in the 2013 draft.

Or even 2 2nds next year.

We're getting to the position where we need to be stockpiling picks, building the collateral we'll need if there is a player we want to move up for.

Time to start acting like the Patriots & really work the draft.
I'm just commenting on the bolded, TK. I know you're meaning gathering the amount of picks they do, not who they've selected. But, I giggle every time I hear how good the Pats are in the draft. IMO, half the time when they're moving up and down the board they're missing on good players. When they do actually select someone they suck. Maybe winning the most number of picks in a draft is a win for BB, but if 75% of those picks suck then you've failed your team.

Patriots drafting = Suck

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Why would you entertain trading Ben Tate this year? This time next year, sure. He would be entering his final year of his contract. Right now, I like the offense that ran for (between Foster and Tate) 2,166 yards. Of that, 942 were from Tate which is pretty substantial for someone with very limited opportunities.

SO, keep him around now and entertain trade ideas this time next year... NOT now.
Agreed! Heck, I'm not even sure I'd look at trading him then. We need both he and Arian, but I understand Tate will want to start and be paid like one.
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I giggle every time I hear how good the Pats are in the draft. IMO, half the time when they're moving up and down the board they're missing on good players. When they do actually select someone they suck. Maybe winning the most number of picks in a draft is a win for BB, but if 75% of those picks suck then you've failed your team.

Patriots drafting = Suck
1st- I would not trade Tate right now.

2nd- In principle, I agree that Belichek gets too much credit now, because of how great he was (and the entire organization) for about a 5 year period between 2001 and 2006.


However, the Patriots have masterfully worked the draft. Though they have made plenty of personnel mistakes, they have been able to continually flood the team with young, inexpensive talent, thereby managing the cap so that they have now had an 11 year run of great success that looks to continue indefinitely. To be consistent Superbowl contenders and have won no less than 9 games in each of the past 11 or 12 seasons is a remarkable achievement in the salary cap era.... Remember, they went 11-5 without Brady (this isn't only about him). They are doing things that we will never see another organization accomplish under the salary cap system.
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Texans ability to run the ball is key to passing game. Injury attrition @ RB position means you need at least three solid productive backs with another one stashed on practice squad. Tate's numbers will appear padded opposite Foster because of the system & wearing down opposing defenses. He will either get a nice bump in his contract here or be dealt for plus value, he does have the workhorse pedigree, displayed while playing @ Auburn.
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