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Old 06-18-2012   #21
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If you arent able to run the ball, then PA doesn't work. If they arent worried about you gaining any yards on the ground, then why would they bite on the PA? Agreed that the line is also a key, but first you have to establish the run as a threat ... then you can pick them apart with PA.
The facts don't support you.

The believability of the PA fake sells it. If you make your play action look exactly like your normal running play, then the defense will read run and react as though it's a run. And it's going to do that regardless of how good your run is. That's what happens if you have good play design and consistent action by your entire team.

When we had bad running games, our play action fakes still worked because the plays were designed to sell the run. As opposed to those weak-assed fake draws where the QB doesn't even really look at the RB that so many teams call PA.
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If you arent able to run the ball, then PA doesn't work. If they arent worried about you gaining any yards on the ground, then why would they bite on the PA? Agreed that the line is also a key, but first you have to establish the run as a threat ... then you can pick them apart with PA.
I think when you have a great running game your play action works better, but with the style of offense we run with the stretch action our play-action will be effective regardless.

But when you have a guy like Arian back there people are going to get open more. And then what is the killer about our offense is when the passing game gets going the LB's can't flow as hard and that backside DE has to honor the bootleg and cant crash down the line and that opens up the cutback lane.

That's whats so great about this offense. It just opens things up for itself. That's not to say great players aren't needed, but the offense in itself allows great players to be even better.
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I think when you have a great running game your play action works better, but with the style of offense we run with the stretch action our play-action will be effective regardless.

But when you have a guy like Arian back there people are going to get open more. And then what is the killer about our offense is when the passing game gets going the LB's can't flow as hard and that backside DE has to honor the bootleg and cant crash down the line and that opens up the cutback lane.

That's whats so great about this offense. It just opens things up for itself. That's not to say great players aren't needed, but the offense in itself allows great players to be even better.
The play that comes to mind is the first play of the Tampa Bay game last year. TB comes in talking about how they were going to shut our running game down. First play? Play action bootleg. 80 yards to Jacoby Jones, TD. I love watching that play.

Later in that game, play action to Arian and then when he sneaks out to the flat, Schaub hits him. 70+ yards, TD.

What a bittersweet game that was.
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I always thought that Schaub and Rosenfelts worked the PA to perfection. They even fake out the camera guys!
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The facts don't support you.

The believability of the PA fake sells it. If you make your play action look exactly like your normal running play, then the defense will read run and react as though it's a run. And it's going to do that regardless of how good your run is. That's what happens if you have good play design and consistent action by your entire team.

When we had bad running games, our play action fakes still worked because the plays were designed to sell the run. As opposed to those weak-assed fake draws where the QB doesn't even really look at the RB that so many teams call PA.
That's exactly what I was trying to say about giving the O-line some credit for the PA. When the O-line doesn't "tip their hand" so to speak, and sets up the same every time, it's hard to tell whether it's another run or a PA pass coming. And defenses look for every little sign or tip they can to tell if it's going to be a run or pass. I heard, more than once last year, that the Texans O-line was one of the best at at disguising what play was coming. Of course it always helps to have a couple of stud RB's that make the running game so good.
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