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Old 06-04-2012   #1
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Let's start a list of players to watch in 2013. Make a list of players by position that you think will be great or that you think are currently underrated and by position as you think they will apply to Texans needs.
Example, I think WR will be a big need again regardless of what we did in this years draft and I think it will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. The guys I like at WR are:
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Justin Hunter, DaRick Rogers, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and Ryan Swope, Terrance Williams but they both might have QB issues this year.

OT:
I think OT might be a need but not early, probably 4th or later for a new swing OT. The guys I'm looking at are.
Xavier Nixon, Tanner Hawkinson, David Yankey, and maybe Seantrel Henderson but that guys huge and will have to lose some weight.

ILB:
I think we'll look at ILB in the 3-5 rounds, guys I like.
Kevin Reddick, James Morris, Bruce Taylor, Nico Johnson, Patrick Larimore, and Andrew Jackson.

Let's see some of the guys you'll be keeping an eye on.
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Let's start a list of players to watch in 2013. Make a list of players by position that you think will be great or that you think are currently underrated and by position as you think they will apply to Texans needs.
Example, I think WR will be a big need again regardless of what we did in this years draft and I think it will be a 1st or 2nd round pick. The guys I like at WR are:
WR:
Justin Hunter, DaRick Rogers, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and Ryan Swope, Terrance Williams but they both might have QB issues this year.

OT:
I think OT might be a need but not early, probably 4th or later for a new swing OT. The guys I'm looking at are.
Xavier Nixon, Tanner Hawkinson, David Yankey, and maybe Seantrel Henderson but that guys huge and will have to lose some weight.

ILB:
I think we'll look at ILB in the 3-5 rounds, guys I like.
Kevin Reddick, James Morris, Bruce Taylor, Nico Johnson, Patrick Larimore, and Andrew Jackson.

Let's see some of the guys you'll be keeping an eye on.
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My 2013 mock has several players from different posters.
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Cobi Hamilton, wr Arkansas
Zach Ertz, te Stanford
Barrett Jones,ol Alabama
Baker Steinkuhler,dt Nebraska
Manti Te'o,ilb Notre Dame
CJ Mosley, ilb Alabama
Chris Borland,ilb Wisconsin
Robert Lester,s Alabama
Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) rSr 6-3 214

I will watch as many arkansas games this year as I can. Lots of talent on that team. Fell in love with Dysert last year. He is my favorite sleeper in this upcoming draft.
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Cobi Hamilton, wr Arkansas
Zach Ertz, te Stanford
Barrett Jones,ol Alabama
Baker Steinkuhler,dt Nebraska
Manti Te'o,ilb Notre Dame
CJ Mosley, ilb Alabama
Chris Borland,ilb Wisconsin
Robert Lester,s Alabama
Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) rSr 6-3 214

I will watch as many arkansas games this year as I can. Lots of talent on that team. Fell in love with Dysert last year. He is my favorite sleeper in this upcoming draft.
I really like Barrett Jones as he is getting experience at all OL positions. As you know he is suppose to move to center this season. I think he can become better at OT & OG with experience and NFL coaching.
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Cobi Hamilton, wr Arkansas
Zach Ertz, te Stanford
Barrett Jones,ol Alabama
Baker Steinkuhler,dt Nebraska
Manti Te'o,ilb Notre Dame
CJ Mosley, ilb Alabama
Chris Borland,ilb Wisconsin
Robert Lester,s Alabama
Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) rSr 6-3 214

I will watch as many arkansas games this year as I can. Lots of talent on that team. Fell in love with Dysert last year. He is my favorite sleeper in this upcoming draft.

Nice find on Zach Ertz-TE from Stanford, but he's listed as an underclassman by Walter. With what sounds like good potential do you think he'll go pro early in 2013? I'm thinking he stays in school at least one more year and goes high in the draft in 2014. The current list of draft eligible TE's doesn't look good for 2013.
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Quarterback

Currently on the roster- Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, John Beck, Case Keenum
Roster Outlook- 3 make the roster, Schaub, Yates, and one of Beck/Keenum. At the risk of being crucified by the board, I think Beck makes it.
2013 Outlook- Provided Schaub is healthy, I think a QB gets drafted in the late rounds, possibly a guy with plus athleticism that can add a wrinkle to the offense. However, if Schaub is more seriously injured, I can see a QB going in the first couple rounds.

Over the past 5 years, approximately 12 QBs have been drafted per year. Here are my top 15 draft-eligible QBs.
* denotes the player is an underclassman

1) Landry Jones, Oklahoma, 6’4” 230 lbs
2) Tyler Wilson, Arkansas, 6’3” 220 lbs
3) *Tyler Bray, Tennessee, 6’5” 210 lbs
4) Matt Barkley, USC, 6’1” 220 lbs
5) *Aaron Murray, Georgia, 6’1” 212 lbs
6) *Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, 6’5” 255 lbs
7) Sean Renfree, Duke, 6’4” 225 lbs
8) Jeff Tuel, Washington State, 6’3” 225 lbs
9) EJ Manuel, Florida State, 6’4” 245 lbs
10) Mike Glennon, NC State, 6’4” 225 lbs
11) Brad Sorenson, Southern Utah, 6’4” 225 lbs
12) *Zach Mettenberger, LSU, 6’5” 225 lbs
13) Geno Smith, West Virginia, 6’3” 215 lbs
14) MarQuies Gray, Minnesota, 6’4” 240 lbs
15) Zac Dysert, Miani (OH), 6’3” 215 lbs
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Nice find on Zach Ertz-TE from Stanford, but he's listed as an underclassman by Walter. With what sounds like good potential do you think he'll go pro early in 2013? I'm thinking he stays in school at least one more year and goes high in the draft in 2014. The current list of draft eligible TE's doesn't look good for 2013.
There were alot of scouts that felt he was better than Coby Fleener. If he is that good he'll come out early.
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I really like Barrett Jones as he is getting experience at all OL positions. As you know he is suppose to move to center this season. I think he can become better at OT & OG with experience and NFL coaching.
He has played all over the line and is the leader of that group. High character and high football IQ. The biggest problem with him is his ability to stay healthy. Haven't read anything on him since late in the season last year, but if I remember right his knees were wore out. So it's depends on his medical more than anything else.
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He has played all over the line and is the leader of that group. High character and high football IQ. The biggest problem with him is his ability to stay healthy. Haven't read anything on him since late in the season last year, but if I remember right his knees were wore out. So it's depends on his medical more than anything else.
He had a knee injury 2010 but ankle lastr season. I can find nothing saying he is not 100%. "I just landed on the side of my leg, and you've got these knee braces on, so a lot of times the reason you see a lot of ankle injuries on lineman is because when you get hit on the side of the leg, your knee is not going to buckle because you have that knee brace on. If you think about it, the pressure's got to go somewhere. It goes to your ankle. The ankle just kind of popped."

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Runningback

Currently on the roster- Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Davin Meggett, Justin Forsett, Jonathan Grimes
Roster Outlook- 3 likely make the roster, with an outside shot at 4. Foster and Tate are locks, and personally, I think Meggett gets the final call.
2013 Outlook- My money is on this position being skipped next year. Foster, Tate and Meggett are all young, so barring a catastrophic injury to Foster or Tate, we don’t really need to focus on this position that much.

Over the past 5 years, an average of 19 backs are drafted. Here is my top 20.
*Denotes the player is an underclassman.

1) *Marcus Lattimore, South Carolina, 6’ 232 lbs
2) Montee Ball, Wisconsin, 5’9” 215 lbs
3) *Knile Davis, Arkansas, 6’ 225 lbs
4)* Cierre Wood, Notre Dame, 6’ 215 lbs
5) Ray Graham, Pittsburgh, 5’9” 195 lbs
6) *Eddie Lacy, Alabama, 5’10” 220 lbs
7) Kenjon Barner, Oregon, 5’11” 195 lbs
8) Rex Burkhead, Nebraska, 5’11” 210 lbs
9) Christine Michael, Texas A&M, 5’11” 215 lbs
10) Andre Eliington, Clemson, 5’10” 190 lbs
11) *Spencer Ware, LSU, 5’11” 225 lbs
12) Washaun Ealy, Jacksonville State, 5’11” 215 lbs
13) Mike James, Miami (FL), 5’11” 220 lbs
14) Onterrio McCalebb, Auburn, 5’10” 175 lbs
15) Jonathan Franklin, UCLA, 5’10” 195 lbs
16) Stepfan Taylor, Stanford, 5’11” 210 lbs
17) Zac Stacy, Vanderbilt, 5’9” 210 lbs
18) DJ Harper, Boise State, 5’9” 205 lbs
19) Dominique Whaley, Oklahoma, 5’10” 200 lbs
20) Jordan Hall, OSU, 5’9” 195 lbs
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Quarterback

Currently on the roster- Matt Schaub, TJ Yates, John Beck, Case Keenum
Roster Outlook- 3 make the roster, Schaub, Yates, and one of Beck/Keenum. At the risk of being crucified by the board, I think Beck makes it.
2013 Outlook- Provided Schaub is healthy, I think a QB gets drafted in the late rounds, possibly a guy with plus athleticism that can add a wrinkle to the offense. However, if Schaub is more seriously injured, I can see a QB going in the first couple rounds.

Over the past 5 years, approximately 12 QBs have been drafted per year. Here are my top 15 draft-eligible QBs.
* denotes the player is an underclassman

1) Landry Jones, Oklahoma, 6’4” 230 lbs
2) Tyler Wilson, Arkansas, 6’3” 220 lbs
3) *Tyler Bray, Tennessee, 6’5” 210 lbs
4) Matt Barkley, USC, 6’1” 220 lbs
5) *Aaron Murray, Georgia, 6’1” 212 lbs
6) *Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech, 6’5” 255 lbs
7) Sean Renfree, Duke, 6’4” 225 lbs
8) Jeff Tuel, Washington State, 6’3” 225 lbs
9) EJ Manuel, Florida State, 6’4” 245 lbs
10) Mike Glennon, NC State, 6’4” 225 lbs
11) Brad Sorenson, Southern Utah, 6’4” 225 lbs
12) *Zach Mettenberger, LSU, 6’5” 225 lbs
13) Geno Smith, West Virginia, 6’3” 215 lbs
14) MarQuies Gray, Minnesota, 6’4” 240 lbs
15) Zac Dysert, Miani (OH), 6’3” 215 lbs
Matt Barkley is 4th on the list? Landry Jones is number 1? Go back and watch some Oklahoma games with Ryan Broyles out, Jones was completely lost without him out there. Something like no touchdowns and half-a-dozen interceptions the rest of that season I think.

I would put Landry Jones with Tyler Bray just below Barkley, Wilson, and Thomas. In no particular order.
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Matt Barkley is 4th on the list? Landry Jones is number 1? Go back and watch some Oklahoma games with Ryan Broyles out, Jones was completely lost without him out there. Something like no touchdowns and half-a-dozen interceptions the rest of that season I think.

I would put Landry Jones with Tyler Bray just below Barkley, Wilson, and Thomas. In no particular order.
Nah, I am a big fan of Jones, and I have watched him plenty. Take the primary weapon out of any pass game, and any QB will struggle. Jones has size, a pro arm, and decent mobility. He has a ton of experience as well, which is huge.
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Cornerback-CB

Currently with Joseph, KJ, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, etc... on the roster I think we've got YOUNG talent that needs experience, coaching, and mentoring. Our CB's were significantly better last year with better coaching (Vance Joseph), veteran leadership (Jonathan Joseph), and a much improved pass rush. I think we have the foundation for a pretty good corp. of CB's but it's been said many times "you can never have to many good CB's". CB is also one of those positions that don't translate naturally from college to the NFL, it's very difficult and takes time. With that said I think we address CB in the 2013 draft early, 1-2 rounds, since we skipped CB in the 2012 draft. If all our current guys workout then our 2013 draftee will be a work in progress in the pipeline, if our current guys don't work out then a highly drafted CB will be pushed along early based on potential, but it's always good to have quality depth at such a critical position especially since the NFL has become such a pass first league. 2013 looks to be a very good year for CB's in the draft. Guys available in the 1st-2nd rounds, in no particular order. I eliminated David Amerson and Xavier Rhodes as guys who go before we pick in the 1st round, and Rhodes size makes me think of FS for him in the NFL, we'll see. There seems to be alot of CB's in the 5'11" - 6'1" range in the early part of the draft next year, this is a good thing.

Johnthan Banks-Mississippi St.
Demarcus Milliner-Alabama
Tyrann Mathieu-LSU, listed as 5'9" but we all know how everyone shrinks at the Combine, great skills but I'm leery.
Desmond Trufant-Washington
Carrington Byndom-Texas, he's got the size and speed but I'm always skeptical of guys from Texas.
Micah Hyde-Iowa, 2nd round pick in my current mock.
Kyle Fuller-Virginia Tech.
Logan Ryan-Rutgers
Jordan Poyer-Oregon St.
Braden Smith-Georgia
Johnny Adams-Michigan St.


This isn't everyone, I'm sure I left out a couple people. 2013 looks to be a very good year for taking a CB in the 1st or 2nd round.
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Currently with Joseph, KJ, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, etc... on the roster I think we've got YOUNG talent that needs experience, coaching, and mentoring. Our CB's were significantly better last year with better coaching (Vance Joseph), veteran leadership (Jonathan Joseph), and a much improved pass rush. I think we have the foundation for a pretty good corp. of CB's but it's been said many times "you can never have to many good CB's". CB is also one of those positions that don't translate naturally from college to the NFL, it's very difficult and takes time. With that said I think we address CB in the 2013 draft early, 1-2 rounds, since we skipped CB in the 2012 draft. If all our current guys workout then our 2013 draftee will be a work in progress in the pipeline, if our current guys don't work out then a highly drafted CB will be pushed along early based on potential, but it's always good to have quality depth at such a critical position especially since the NFL has become such a pass first league. 2013 looks to be a very good year for CB's in the draft. Guys available in the 1st-2nd rounds, in no particular order. I eliminated David Amerson and Xavier Rhodes as guys who go before we pick in the 1st round, and Rhodes size makes me think of FS for him in the NFL, we'll see. There seems to be alot of CB's in the 5'11" - 6'1" range in the early part of the draft next year, this is a good thing.

Johnthan Banks-Mississippi St.
Demarcus Milliner-Alabama
Tyrann Mathieu-LSU, listed as 5'9" but we all know how everyone shrinks at the Combine, great skills but I'm leery.
Desmond Trufant-Washington
Carrington Byndom-Texas, he's got the size and speed but I'm always skeptical of guys from Texas.
Micah Hyde-Iowa, 2nd round pick in my current mock.
Kyle Fuller-Virginia Tech.
Logan Ryan-Rutgers
Jordan Poyer-Oregon St.
Braden Smith-Georgia
Johnny Adams-Michigan St.


This isn't everyone, I'm sure I left out a couple people. 2013 looks to be a very good year for taking a CB in the 1st or 2nd round.
Amerson from NC St.

Also Metenberger has a chance to be steal for somebody.
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Also Metenberger has a chance to be steal for somebody.
Next to last sentence of the paragraph. I didn't list Amerson because he's most likely not in our range, he'll go top 10, and hopefully we're picking #32 or at least in the high 20's.
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I would like to see Hebron Fangupo stay healthy & push for reps in nose rotation but I just don't really like his odds (injury's). Then Cody will be a FA next year (2013) this could become a huge need for the Texans, to add another nose to compete with Earl Mitchell for reps, it just makes too much sense similar to drafting Bullock to replace departed Neil Rackers. So with that said I would be looking for elite help early if available?

Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah is one of the top DT prospects in next years class. He could push for starting reps as a rookie, drawing comparisons to former Oregon Duck and current Baltimore Ravens' star Haloti Ngata. Texans would however have to trade up to get him.

Johnathon Hankins, DT, the Ohio State. Texans have hit pay dirt in the Big Ten so Hankins is a more likely possibility. He would be your more typical nose with freakish combination of size (6-3, 335), strength and athleticism as Dontari Poe. Not a sexy pick I must admit but will have to see how things play out next offseason.

Bennie Logan, DT, LSU is more of a small penetration one gap nose with plus pass rushing/pressure numbers. Only 6-3 288 his motor my interest Wade in his system, has frame to put on weight just like Mitchell has. I would give him early 2nd rd. grade now but its so early, he plays for LSU in the SEC so his stock could soar come next April.

Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. He has everything that Rick Smith likes, BIG 10. Purdue, plus is built like Wade Phillips likes in his 3-4. Short has a thick, wide frame and plays with excellent strength and leverage, making him a potential nose guard candidate. He considered leaving school a year early, but was given a third-round grade by the NFL Draft Advisory Board. This next draft Texans could trade down acquire extra picks & take him in the 2nd. Don't see him as first round talent, more of a rotational guy who could hold a position of need for the Texans next year.

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Currently on the roster- Arian Foster, Ben Tate, Davin Meggett, Justin Forsett, Jonathan Grimes
Roster Outlook- 3 likely make the roster, with an outside shot at 4. Foster and Tate are locks, and personally, I think Meggett gets the final call.
2013 Outlook- My money is on this position being skipped next year. Foster, Tate and Meggett are all young, so barring a catastrophic injury to Foster or Tate, we don’t really need to focus on this position that much.
Who knows, the Texans might just trade Ben Tate if there's a good offer.
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I would like to see Hebron Fangupo stay healthy & push for reps in the nose rotation but I just don't really like his odds. Then Cody being a free agent next year I could see Texans having a huge need to add a big ugly next to Earl Mitchell it just makes too much sense. So with that said I would be looking for elite help early if available?

Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah is one of the top DT prospects in next years class. He could push for starting reps as a rookie, drawing comparisons to comparisons to former Oregon Duck and current Baltimore Ravens' star Haloti Ngata. Texans would however have to trade up to get him.

Johnathon Hankins, DT, the Ohio State. Texans have hit pay dirt in the Big Ten so Hankins is a more likely possibility. He would be your more typical nose with freakish combination of size (6-3, 335), strength and athleticism as Dontari Poe. Not a sexy pick I must admit but will have to see how things play out next offseason.

Bennie Logan, DT, LSU is more of a small penetration one gap nose with plus pass rushing/pressure numbers. Only 6-3 288 his motor my interest Wade in his system, has frame to put on weight just like Mitchell has. I would give him early 2nd rd. grade now but its so early, he plays for LSU in the SEC so his stock could soar come next April.

Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. He has everything that Rick Smith likes, BIG 10. Purdue, plus is built like Wade Phillips likes in his 3-4. Short has a thick, wide frame and plays with excellent strength and leverage, making him a potential nose guard candidate. He considered leaving school a year early, but was given a third-round grade by the NFL Draft Advisory Board. This next draft Texans could trade down acquire extra picks & take him in the 2nd. Don't see him as first round talent, more of a rotational guy who could hold a position of need for the Texans next year.

I like Lotulelei but he most likely goes way before our pick in the 1st. I like Hankins size but he also probably goes earlier than we pick in the 1st. I don't know anything about Logan, I'll have to do some reading. I like Short alot, had him in some of my mocks last year. If he fell to our pick in the 2nd I'd jump on him fast. Any DT/NT we pick is going to be a rotational player though so I'm thinking 2nd or 3rd round. I see our top 3 needs as WR, CB, and DT/DE for next year, but that all depends on how the CB corp plays. Do you think DT/NT could be a 1st round need?

If you want a massive NT take a look at Jonathan Jenkins from Georgia, dudes huge but probably doesn't fit Wade's one gap system. I like Sylvester Williams from N.C. as well, and Sharrif Floyd from Florida. Next year seems to be a good year for picking up a DT/NT somewhere in rounds 2-4.

As a whole I like the talent level at several of our positions of need. I think it'll be a deep draft at CB, FS/SS, DT, QB, ILB, OG, and OT. I think it'll be average at WR and below average at TE.
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Currently with Joseph, KJ, McCain, Harris, Carmichael, etc... on the roster I think we've got YOUNG talent that needs experience, coaching, and mentoring. Our CB's were significantly better last year with better coaching (Vance Joseph), veteran leadership (Jonathan Joseph), and a much improved pass rush. I think we have the foundation for a pretty good corp. of CB's but it's been said many times "you can never have to many good CB's". CB is also one of those positions that don't translate naturally from college to the NFL, it's very difficult and takes time. With that said I think we address CB in the 2013 draft early, 1-2 rounds, since we skipped CB in the 2012 draft. If all our current guys workout then our 2013 draftee will be a work in progress in the pipeline, if our current guys don't work out then a highly drafted CB will be pushed along early based on potential, but it's always good to have quality depth at such a critical position especially since the NFL has become such a pass first league. 2013 looks to be a very good year for CB's in the draft. Guys available in the 1st-2nd rounds, in no particular order. I eliminated David Amerson and Xavier Rhodes as guys who go before we pick in the 1st round, and Rhodes size makes me think of FS for him in the NFL, we'll see. There seems to be alot of CB's in the 5'11" - 6'1" range in the early part of the draft next year, this is a good thing.

Johnthan Banks-Mississippi St.
Demarcus Milliner-Alabama
Tyrann Mathieu-LSU, listed as 5'9" but we all know how everyone shrinks at the Combine, great skills but I'm leery.
Desmond Trufant-Washington
Carrington Byndom-Texas, he's got the size and speed but I'm always skeptical of guys from Texas.
Micah Hyde-Iowa, 2nd round pick in my current mock.
Kyle Fuller-Virginia Tech.
Logan Ryan-Rutgers
Jordan Poyer-Oregon St.
Braden Smith-Georgia
Johnny Adams-Michigan St.


This isn't everyone, I'm sure I left out a couple people. 2013 looks to be a very good year for taking a CB in the 1st or 2nd round.
I love Banks but we will be drafting a WR in one of the first two rounds.
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