rmartin65's Way Too Early Mock

[rmartin65]

If it helps, think of it as less of a mock, and more of just 7 players to watch.

Round 1- Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz, 6’7” 265 lbs
Big Ten? Check. Position of need? We will see, but I think TE will be. Fiedorowicz is a TE in the mold of Gronkowski- too fast for LBs, too big for DBs. Now, this is a risky pick, but picking late in the draft (32!) is where you swing for the fences. He saw little playing time last year, only starting 5 out of 13 games, and catching 16 balls for 167 yards and 3 TDs. However, the skill is there, and he was starting to show it by the end of the year. And you know he will be well coached in the blocking game, coming from Iowa. In short, I see a potential All-Pro here, whose lack of stats last year is what is holding him down in the rankings. I would not be surprised if come the 2013 draft, Fiedorowicz is seen as a top 20 pick, but for now, I feel good projecting him here.



Round 2- Texas A&M Ryan Swope, 6’ 205 lbs
I am still looking for receivers, despite the positive reports on our young guys (Posey/Martin/Jean/Hilliday) that are coming out of OTAs. Swope does not look like your prototypical WR, but he sure produces like one. Swope has sneaky speed, sticky hands, and is damn hard to tackle. I don’t know if he is a potential number 1, but he could be. He drops because he wont have sexy combine numbers, and because I expect to see his stats fall this year due to a new QB and a new conference (SEC).




Round 3- Kansas OT Tanner Hawkinson, 6’5” 295 lbs
Hawkinson is a converted TE, similar to Duane Brown and recent draft pick and project Nick Mondek. Hawkison has great feet and above average strength which should only increase with more time at the position and in the weight room. I think the potential is sky-high here, and it would be wise to draft him with the uncertainty of Brown’s contract. Having young players like Newton, Mondek and Hawkinson will keep the tackles hungry, aggressive, and fresh.



Round 4- UCLA ILB Patrick Larimore, 6'3" 250 lbs
Tough-nosed, old-school ILB. Not bad in pass coverage, but better working along the LOS. Very sure tackler.




Round 5- Oklahoma FS/SS/CB Javon Harris, 5’11” 207
Maybe a little bit of a homer pick, but Harris is a versatile player that can, well, play. A jack of all trades, but a master of none, Harris can tackle, cover and make plays on the ball. Having a player like Harris who can play multiple positions will help the Texans with the roster.

Round 6- Minnesota QB/WR MarQueis Gray, 6’4” 240 lbs
Raw talent, came to Minnesota as a QB, moved to WR because of one of Adam Weber (one of the best QBs in Minn history), moved back to QB last year. Insane athlete, good arm strength, needs to work on accuracy and reads. However, can be an interesting player as a WR/Wildcat QB while he is being groomed as a traditional QB.



Round 7- Kansas OLB Toben Opurum, 6’1” 245 lbs
This late in the draft, there are two theories on drafting- people with vast amounts of physical talent who are raw and need to be coached up, or players with questionable talent but have produced on the field. I am going for the first option. Opurum began his college career as a runningback, where he led the team in rushing as a freshman (133/554/9TD). The next year he was switched to linebacker, and then defensive end, where he struggled initially, but finished strong. Last year he looked a lot more comfortable on D and finished with 45 tackles (10.5 behind the LOS) and 4 sacks. Opurum is an elite athlete with a very high ceiling, and can play special teams.

[TimeKiller]

How/Why would anyone argue? lol...

I'll keep an eye out for 'em!

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

How/Why would anyone argue? lol...

I'll keep an eye out for 'em!

That is the best part of early mocks! Nobody can argue!

But in all seriousness, just trying to get names out there, maybe a little discussion going. I would be interested in seeing what guys you are focusing on (either in mock format or not).

[Wolf6151]

I've been using Walterfootball and CBSsports for lists of next year draftee's and don't see Fiedorowicz on either list. I think there's a decent chance this could be OD's last year with the Texans and agree that TE could be an early need, but I'm just not liking the 2013 list of TE's that much. Glad to see there's other quality guys out there other than what's on the early lists. I like Hawkinson and Larimore as well. Hawkinson is currently listed as a 5-6 round pick, but I agree he could easily go earlier with a good season. I see him as our new swing OT. Larimore could easily fill that other ILB spot that rotates out of the game often and has good size for the position. I like Nico Johnson and Bruce Taylor for ILB as well. I agree that WR will be an early need as well, but think that Swopes will fall a little further because like you say he's not the prototypical/stereotypical WR. It is good to see players that others are looking at and get some names out there to keep an eye on.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

I've been using Walterfootball and CBSsports for lists of next year draftee's and don't see Fiedorowicz on either list. I think there's a decent chance this could be OD's last year with the Texans and agree that TE could be an early need, but I'm just not liking the 2013 list of TE's that much. Glad to see there's other quality guys out there other than what's on the early lists. I like Hawkinson and Larimore as well. Hawkinson is currently listed as a 5-6 round pick, but I agree he could easily go earlier with a good season. I see him as our new swing OT. Larimore could easily fill that other ILB spot that rotates out of the game often and has good size for the position. I like Nico Johnson and Bruce Taylor for ILB as well. I agree that WR will be an early need as well, but think that Swopes will fall a little further because like you say he's not the prototypical/stereotypical WR. It is good to see players that others are looking at and get some names out there to keep an eye on.

Fiedo is a rising Junior, so Walter may have missed him and you have to switch the lists on CBS. I am not wild about the potential TEs either, outside of Fiedo, but that is why I grabbed him.

I would be really surprised if Hawkinson goes that late. I mean, I know it is (very) early, but tackles with his kind of athleticism get picked higher than what their at-the-moment ability warrants.

I am not wild about Nico Johnson, but I really like Taylor, and came really close to grabbing him instead of Larimore. Came down to a gut call, but I will be watching both very closely.

Thanks for the response!

[badboy]

I like a TE but think we missed on our chance last season. I think our needs will not allow a TE that high. IMO, we will be looking for another OLB & WR.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by badboy

I like a TE but think we missed on our chance last season. I think our needs will not allow a TE that high. IMO, we will be looking for another OLB & WR.

Another OLB? I dont think so, not in round one. Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, and Braman are a very formidable quartet of pass rushers. Even if Barwin leaves in FA, we are still left with 3. Not a terrible need, and like I said, I do expect us to be selecting pass rushers just about every year. If Barwin does leave, I expect a second or third rounder to be spent. If not, then I maintain that it will be a late guy.

As for WR, I worry about where we are picking. All these considered equal, I would of course take the receiver. However, I do not want to reach for a player just because I deem that position more valuable. The wide receivers that I have graded higher than Fiedo I have going before we pick.

Any thoughts on the other guys?

[badboy]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

Another OLB? I dont think so, not in round one. Barwin, Reed, Mercilus, and Braman are a very formidable quartet of pass rushers. Even if Barwin leaves in FA, we are still left with 3. Not a terrible need, and like I said, I do expect us to be selecting pass rushers just about every year. If Barwin does leave, I expect a second or third rounder to be spent. If not, then I maintain that it will be a late guy.

As for WR, I worry about where we are picking. All these considered equal, I would of course take the receiver. However, I do not want to reach for a player just because I deem that position more valuable. The wide receivers that I have graded higher than Fiedo I have going before we pick.

Any thoughts on the other guys?

Wait..you've forgotten the last draft just a few weeks ago? We had Barwin, Reed and Braman then and who was the #26 pick? You don't think if Barwin has a high sack year (and we all pray & expect him to)that he will not get huge offers? If Cushing gets re-signed this season a lot of money that was freed up goes to him. True, we know more now how the 3 will perform in Wade's sytem but not much has changed as far asn rotation, especially if Barwin goes.

Now if Braman has a very good year, I could see OLB moving down the list.

[Wolf6151]

@Rmartin65, I found Fiedo on the 2014 list of TE's thanks.

* As for OLB as a need, I think Barwin is re-signed and stays, I don't think OLB will be a need in the 2013 draft.
* As for Hawkinson, both Walter and CBS have him listed as a 5-6 round pick but I agree this is way undervalued. Another guy to look at is Xavier Nixon-OT from Florida but he also could go higher than presently projected and out of reach where we'll most likely be looking for a swing OT.
* As for WR, I think Kubiak tried to get cute and just fill a niche at slot/#3 WR with the Posey pick instead of taking one of the better WR's that were available as a potential #2 thus improving the overall quality of the WR corp. I like DaRick Rogers, Justin Hunter, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and possibly Ryan Swope or Terrance Williams but they will both have QB issues this year.
* Other ILB candidates to look at are Kevin Reddick, James Morris, and Andrew Jackson along with the previously mentioned Nico Johnson, Bruce Taylor, and Patrick Larimore.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by badboy

Wait..you've forgotten the last draft just a few weeks ago? We had Barwin, Reed and Braman then and who was the #26 pick? You don't think if Barwin has a high sack year (and we all pray & expect him to)that he will not get huge offers? If Cushing gets re-signed this season a lot of money that was freed up goes to him. True, we know more now how the 3 will perform in Wade's sytem but not much has changed as far asn rotation, especially if Barwin goes.

Now if Braman has a very good year, I could see OLB moving down the list.

Haha, nope, it is not forgotten. But I just dont/cant see us taking yet another OB high, especially with other positions (WR, TE, and maybe CB and QB) needing looks. I think Barwin stays. He does not seem like a "chase the money" type guy, I think he will get a sizable raise, but not cap-crippling. We will have all year to negotiate, hopefully other teams never get the chance to offer him deals.

Originally Posted by Wolf6151

@Rmartin65, I found Fiedo on the 2014 list of TE's thanks.

* As for OLB as a need, I think Barwin is re-signed and stays, I don't think OLB will be a need in the 2013 draft.
* As for Hawkinson, both Walter and CBS have him listed as a 5-6 round pick but I agree this is way undervalued. Another guy to look at is Xavier Nixon-OT from Florida but he also could go higher than presently projected and out of reach where we'll most likely be looking for a swing OT.
* As for WR, I think Kubiak tried to get cute and just fill a niche at slot/#3 WR with the Posey pick instead of taking one of the better WR's that were available as a potential #2 thus improving the overall quality of the WR corp. I like DaRick Rogers, Justin Hunter, Cobi Hamilton, Marquess Wilson, and possibly Ryan Swope or Terrance Williams but they will both have QB issues this year.
* Other ILB candidates to look at are Kevin Reddick, James Morris, and Andrew Jackson along with the previously mentioned Nico Johnson, Bruce Taylor, and Patrick Larimore.

Agree on Barwin, what do you think of Opurum in the 7th? I really love his potential... I may have my 2013 late round man-crush already.

I will keep an eye on Nixon, thanks for the heads up.

Agreed on your take on receivers... I am still not wild about the Posey pick, but it is what it is. The guy I really wanted (Marvin Jones) dropped all the way to the 6th, so there must have been something the pro guys did not like. Of the guys you listed for 2013, I like the two Tennessee receivers, Swope and Wilson. Williams just does not impress me, and I have not seen enough of Hamilton.

Reddick has alot of hype, but never stood out to me when watching UNC. He has talent, but he just does not dominate, maybe it will come together this year. Love Morris' skills, but I worry a lot about his size. Looks like a SS out there, needs to pack on at least 15. I have not seen Jackson play, but I know BB likes the guy. Looks like a real thumper on paper.

[beerlover]

Looks pretty killer to me 65. Really like Larimore, actually more than Mychal Kendricks drafted 2nd rd. you also liked. I've been watching Patrick a couple years now & he has a bright future especially @ ILB for Wade Phillips 3-4. Ideal size/weight/height measureables, good instincts, natural. Feel strongly he would fit like I do about Crick here with this group of players & coaches. By the time Bradie is ready to step aside, you have a new, young starting ILB.

Well done & good day sir

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by badboy

I like a TE but think we missed on our chance last season. I think our needs will not allow a TE that high. IMO, we will be looking for another OLB & WR.

They will let A.Smith/KJ/Tate go in some combination to get the $$$$ to pay Barwin. You dont let LB's like Cush/Barwin go. The LB's are the key to any 3-4 defense, particularly Wades.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by beerlover

Looks pretty killer to me 65. Really like Larimore, actually more than Mychal Kendricks drafted 2nd rd. you also liked. I've been watching Patrick a couple years now & he has a bright future especially @ ILB for Wade Phillips 3-4. Ideal size/weight/height measureables, good instincts, natural. Feel strongly he would fit like I do about Crick here with this group of players & coaches. By the time Bradie is ready to step aside, you have a new, young starting ILB.

Well done & good day sir

Yep, he looks like an old-school ILB. Still waiting on a list of players from you BL

[steelbtexan]

I've got a feeling Loiseau is James heir apparent at the ILB in a couple of yrs.

Loiseau, Fangupo and Ford all have above avg chances of making the 53 man roster.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

I've got a feeling Loiseau is James heir apparent at the ILB in a couple of yrs.

Loiseau, Fangupo and Ford all have above avg chances of making the 53 man roster.

Maybe. I like Loiseau, but competition never hurts.

As for Fangupo, he has to stay healthy.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

They will let A.Smith/KJ/Tate go in some combination to get the $$$$ to pay Barwin. You dont let LB's like Cush/Barwin go. The LB's are the key to any 3-4 defense, particularly Wades.

We have no evidence that anyone will beat out KJ (I'm hoping Carmichael will) so why would they let him go? I rate Cushing way over Barwin. Wade has been very successful historically with OLB & if Barwin leaves, Mercilus should fill in nicely. If that happens, we still need another OLB. Why pay Barwin if next man up does so well? I thought we wanted to get to the point we can let high dollars vets go & replace them with younger players who are then replaced with draftees?

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by badboy

We have no evidence that anyone will beat out KJ (I'm hoping Carmichael will) so why would they let him go? I rate Cushing way over Barwin. Wade has been very successful historically with OLB & if Barwin leaves, Mercilus should fill in nicely. If that happens, we still need another OLB. Why pay Barwin if next man up does so well? I thought we wanted to get to the point we can let high dollars vets go & replace them with younger players who are then replaced with draftees?

While I agree with you on both points. If KJ stinks against much better QB's, no amount of 76's screenshots are going to save him.

I gree with you also about letting the high $$$$ vets go. But the 3-4 needs 5-6 quality LB's. Think about the NYG's Taylor/Carson/Reasons/Banks the best LB corps other than the 70's Steelers. Speaking of the Steelers they keep their LB's core together until they get to old and usually train the young guys so that they are ready when the old guys start losing it. I see the Texans doing this with Mercilus. You dont let young double digit sack guys like Barwin walk. Especially when you can make cap room for them by cutting guys that are replaceable like A.Smith/KJ/W.Smith. Whose replacements have already been drafted.

Communication between the LB's is critical in 3-4. Barwin/Cushing/Watt are going to be the leaders, tone setters of an intense young defense for yrs to come in the front 7. With JoJo and Manning leading the back end. The Texans finally have speed at all positions on defense. (Speed kills)

[YoungTexanFan]

I don't know how I could ever be upset with two KU guys being drafted.

Hawk will go higher than 5-6. He was a Freshman All-American and has done nothing but continue that pace. He did play some RT under our last inept coach, though he has been starting in the Big XII since his Freshman year. Excellent feet. He'll get more notice and more credit with a competent QB this year. The difference between Jordan Webb (starter the last two seasons) and Dayne Crist is laughable. As in, all you can do is laugh at the talent gap because words just come up short describing how big it really is. Also on that note, Crist is a name to keep an eye on. He has every physical tool you could want in an elite QB and has great make-up as a human being, it's just his knees that are a potential question. He used to be a first-round lock type of QB but now he's likely a 2-4 round type of guy, depending on his season. More talent than some current NFL QB's. Yeah, he's that good, which will only make Hawkinson's stock jump as well.

Toben...I'm not quite as sold on honestly. The last year or two he has been one of our only players on defense, but that isn't saying much at all. He has made a lot of plays based on his athleticism alone. Another way to put it is that he didn't know enough to do anything wrong. Our coaches just told him to get the QB. This is a guy who had offers to ND, Florida, tOSU, etc so his athleticism isn't really a question. His development this year will be a big thing for his draft stock. Can he read the play and influence the game in other ways? He's the guy on our defense with a target on his back. Other coaches know he's one of only a handful of guys who you need to account for on our defense, so how does he respond to that additional scheming? With that said, he's got an explosive first step. As a RB, he was a very N/S runner and not a dancer. He gets moving forward very fast and gets up to speed very quickly. He's learning moves but right now his athletic ability is enough to beat the Big XII OTs. That does bode well for him as a late round "raw" prospect. I think his ceiling is about the late 4th to 5th round. So somewhere in the 5-7 range like you have listed is realistic.

I've stopped following the draft process as in-depth as I much as I used to for this board, but that doesn't mean I'm not still keeping tabs. It's also pretty easy for me to keep tabs on KU guys since I see them live every weekend. If you have questions about KU guys, or guys in this area, I can likely give a more accurate review than some obscure paragraph written 18 months ago. Sidenote: if you mention Mizzou, you go on the blocked list.

[Dutchrudder]

I like Ryan Swope in college, but I don't know if he has the speed to warrant a 2nd round pick in the NFL. I'm not sure what his 40 time is like, but his game speed seems kind of slow to me.

I think he would be best suited as a slot receiver in the NFL. A lot of his yards come from misdirection or motion plays off the line, and I can't ever recall seeing him get over the top and beat both the CB and a safety to go deep. I think his value will be in his ability to make cuts to create space and his willingness to go over the middle. He has taken quite a few big hits from defenders, but always gets up and keeps moving.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by YoungTexanFan

I don't know how I could ever be upset with two KU guys being drafted.

Hawk will go higher than 5-6. He was a Freshman All-American and has done nothing but continue that pace. He did play some RT under our last inept coach, though he has been starting in the Big XII since his Freshman year. Excellent feet. He'll get more notice and more credit with a competent QB this year. The difference between Jordan Webb (starter the last two seasons) and Dayne Crist is laughable. As in, all you can do is laugh at the talent gap because words just come up short describing how big it really is. Also on that note, Crist is a name to keep an eye on. He has every physical tool you could want in an elite QB and has great make-up as a human being, it's just his knees that are a potential question. He used to be a first-round lock type of QB but now he's likely a 2-4 round type of guy, depending on his season. More talent than some current NFL QB's. Yeah, he's that good, which will only make Hawkinson's stock jump as well.

Toben...I'm not quite as sold on honestly. The last year or two he has been one of our only players on defense, but that isn't saying much at all. He has made a lot of plays based on his athleticism alone. Another way to put it is that he didn't know enough to do anything wrong. Our coaches just told him to get the QB. This is a guy who had offers to ND, Florida, tOSU, etc so his athleticism isn't really a question. His development this year will be a big thing for his draft stock. Can he read the play and influence the game in other ways? He's the guy on our defense with a target on his back. Other coaches know he's one of only a handful of guys who you need to account for on our defense, so how does he respond to that additional scheming? With that said, he's got an explosive first step. As a RB, he was a very N/S runner and not a dancer. He gets moving forward very fast and gets up to speed very quickly. He's learning moves but right now his athletic ability is enough to beat the Big XII OTs. That does bode well for him as a late round "raw" prospect. I think his ceiling is about the late 4th to 5th round. So somewhere in the 5-7 range like you have listed is realistic.

I've stopped following the draft process as in-depth as I much as I used to for this board, but that doesn't mean I'm not still keeping tabs. It's also pretty easy for me to keep tabs on KU guys since I see them live every weekend. If you have questions about KU guys, or guys in this area, I can likely give a more accurate review than some obscure paragraph written 18 months ago. Sidenote: if you mention Mizzou, you go on the blocked list.

I was hoping you would poke your head in.

I really like Hawkinson in the 3rd. This is an upside type pick. I will keep an eye on Crist, but I am not looking for a QB before the 4th or 5th round. Schaub should get re-signed if healthy, and Yates is a serviceable backup with the ability to start.

I really thought Opurum had potential as a RB. However, I think that moving to OLB was the right move. I really like the explosion he displays (like you mentioned), and the fact that he is raw interests me. Let Wade and Co. mold him into the OLB they want for the D.

Originally Posted by Dutchrudder

I like Ryan Swope in college, but I don't know if he has the speed to warrant a 2nd round pick in the NFL. I'm not sure what his 40 time is like, but his game speed seems kind of slow to me.

I think he would be best suited as a slot receiver in the NFL. A lot of his yards come from misdirection or motion plays off the line, and I can't ever recall seeing him get over the top and beat both the CB and a safety to go deep. I think his value will be in his ability to make cuts to create space and his willingness to go over the middle. He has taken quite a few big hits from defenders, but always gets up and keeps moving.

I thin Swope can be a TJ Whosyourmama kind of player. Great hands, blocks well, and just produces. I admit that he probably wont become a number 1 receiver, but like I mentioned, I think the number 1 receivers go well before we pick. I do think his speed is understated though. He is deceptively fast in my opinion.

Thanks for the opinions guys.