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Old 05-27-2012   #461
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Sounds like Posey better decide if it's going to be the NFL or the NotForLong. Been called out for drops and now conditioning in just 6 hours of practice...

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Asked about the young receivers after the final practice of the week on Thursday, Kubiak said he has seen “flashes” of talent.

“They’re all what we thought they were,” he said. “Getting a little fatigued right now. That bothers me; you’ve got to be able to run all day. Posey is out here pretty tired today. We’ve got to get those guys, condition-wise, to where they can do it all day long. But talent-wise, it’s exactly what we thought we were going to get.”The competition should for playing time – and roster spots – should only heat up in the coming weeks and months.
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Sounds like Posey better decide if it's going to be the NFL or the NotForLong. Been called out for drops and now conditioning in just 6 hours of practice...
Not worried it's freaking day three of OTA's They aren't going to be in top shape. Especially if he didn't play 90% of the season. He isn't prepared enough yet to catching in traffic so not worried. Now if this comes up in training camp then I will be worried.
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Sounds like Posey better decide if it's going to be the NFL or the NotForLong. Been called out for drops and now conditioning in just 6 hours of practice...
I think you have Posey mistaken for Jean when it comes to drops. I haven't seen one quote from anyone criticizing him for drops so far. I think the conditioning quote from Kubiak was probably just more of trying to push him. He knows we're going to need him to stay on the field this year most likely. Way overblown issue at this point in the offseason.
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I think you have Posey mistaken for Jean when it comes to drops. I haven't seen one quote from anyone criticizing him for drops so far. I think the conditioning quote from Kubiak was probably just more of trying to push him. He knows we're going to need him to stay on the field this year most likely. Way overblown issue at this point in the offseason.
Right!

I think the more important thing to read out of Kubiak quote is as followed:
"talent-wise, it’s exactly what we thought we were going to get."
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Schaub's play fakes are not the reason that Andre and other receivers get so wide open. Sorry.

Not that he doesn't do a good job of executing it, but he's not even close to the main reason the play action is so successful at drawing defenders up.
There are a lot of reasons why the play action works well for the Texans.
Eleven reasons on the field and a few on the side line.

The play action works for a team like Baylor with RG III running it from the spread.
The play action works for Stanford with Andrew Luck in a power scheme.
The ZBS has no monopoly on how the O-line makes each play look the same whether it's pass or run.

One of the main reasons it also works for the Saints is the QB.

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf...new_orlea.html

When pressed on how he does it, however, Brees opened up.

"Fundamentally, there's certain things," he said. "You just talk about your body language, making it look just like the run. The way that you extend the ball out, the way you keep your off hand close to your belly so they're not sure if the ball is in your hands or the running back's hands. Timing -- timing of understanding when routes are going to open up down the field, and being able to get a good pre-snap read."

And here's what one of the RBs (Thomas) had to say about it:

"Coach emphasizes that a lot in practice," Thomas said. "He's always saying, 'make sure you get a good fake.' He wants a good fake. Because if you just give a sloppy fake, anyone can read that and it's basically like, 'who are you kidding? Who do you think you're trying to kid out there? You're not giving the ball off, you're not handing the ball off, you're just giving a little fake and nobody's going to respect that.' So you want to have that good mesh between the quarterback and the running back."
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I think you have Posey mistaken for Jean when it comes to drops...
You're right, my bad. I'm just a little surprised that any of these WRs can get gassed enough in a 2-hour OTA to warrant Kube's public comment. Perhaps I'm naive.
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Braylon Edwards is a guy who I think would be better for this offense, and probably would come just as cheap. Big body, willing blocker, able to stretch the field, and has played in a similar offense.
Braylon Edwards....are you serious? That guy can't catch a cold.
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Braylon Edwards....are you serious? That guy can't catch a cold.
Braylon Edwards's 2 years in New York he had very reliable hands. This is from a guy who watched every Jets game. Its a reason why Jets fans want him back there. The guy made some big plays for them with a terrible QB. He dealt with injuries last year, but for a 1 year deal for cheap he's well worth it.
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Oh I was right there with ya on that one, at the time.

I thought: Man, this guy is going to really cause problems for a secondary...no way can they cover AJ and Moulds.

Oops.

We need to find our WR version of Arian Foster. Badly.
I think that UDFA WR version of Arian Foster will be ...drumroll.........Dwight Jones.
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... but for a 1 year deal for cheap he's well worth it.
The biggest problem here is that he probably doesn't want a 1 year deal for cheap. He's probably going to hold out until he gets something a bit more substantial than that. He can wait until someone has some injuries and gets desperate.
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"Fundamentally, there's certain things," he said. "You just talk about your body language, making it look just like the run. The way that you extend the ball out, the way you keep your off hand close to your belly so they're not sure if the ball is in your hands or the running back's hands. Timing -- timing of understanding when routes are going to open up down the field, and being able to get a good pre-snap read."
Thanks for digging up a great example quote. That is exactly what I am talking about. When I am talking about play fake or play action I am talking about the whole package. As I mentioned up thread Carr had one of the worst around and it was because of inconsistent body language. His arm extension was totally different.

It's funny Rey wants to credit the OL for looking the same but won't credit Schaub for making it look the same.
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Braylon Edwards's 2 years in New York he had very reliable hands. This is from a guy who watched every Jets game. Its a reason why Jets fans want him back there. The guy made some big plays for them with a terrible QB. He dealt with injuries last year, but for a 1 year deal for cheap he's well worth it.
You've got to be concerned about his right knee. According to his coach at the time, he sustained a right knee "unspecified" injury where he underwent "a procedure" in September of 2011 and would be "out for a little bit" ..........and he is still rehabbing. Lends me to believe that it could very well be an ACL ........another ACL. He was out the entire 2005 season with a right ACL.
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I'd be all for bringing Braylon in on a low risk contract.
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The biggest problem here is that he probably doesn't want a 1 year deal for cheap. He's probably going to hold out until he gets something a bit more substantial than that. He can wait until someone has some injuries and gets desperate.
He only got a 1 year deal last year after having a good season and great postseason the year before with the Jets. Part of that was because he was dealing with a DWI situation that's now taken care of. I doubt any team will invest more than a 1 year deal on him though. If he can revert back to his form of a couple of years ago a team is going to get a great bargain.
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Last year, San Francisco signed Braylon Edwards to one-year, $1 million deal, with $2.5 million available in hard-to-reach incentives (90 catches, Pro Bowl). Edwards’ salary was only guaranteed if he was on the season-opening roster.

After Edwards managed 15 catches in the 49ers’ first 15 games, San Francisco cuts its losses.
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You've got to be concerned about his right knee. According to his coach at the time, he sustained a right knee "unspecified" injury where he underwent "a procedure" in September of 2011 and would be "out for a little bit" ..........and he is still rehabbing. Lends me to believe that it could very well be an ACL ........another ACL. He was out the entire 2005 season with a right ACL.

Yeah, that's the question that has to be answered is if he's healthy or not. If healthy he would easily be the second best receiver on our team. Injury concerns are the only reason a team wouldn't want to committ more than a year to him.
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Yeah, that's the question that has to be answered is if he's healthy or not. If healthy he would easily be the second best receiver on our team. Injury concerns are the only reason a team wouldn't want to committ more than a year to him.
Since he only missed 4 games at the beginning of last year, if it were an ACL, it would have been a minor tear/sprain with loosened mensicus, not a full ACL tear........Making it more worrisome that he is "chronically" still dealing with its rehab. And this is not to even mention the shoulder injury, which in combination with continued knee problems made him virtually worthless for the rest of the season. There are, indeed, a lot of questions.
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Well, at least we didn't go for AJ Jenkins: http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/...nicamp-review/

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  • A.J. Jenkins: The Niners first round pick looked like one of the worst wide receivers on the field most of minicamp. He didn’t play with the first- or second-team offense on Tuesday, and he didn’t catch a pass in scrimmages on Wednesday. He had trouble staying on his feet all three days, which was odd considering it was a non-contact minicamp. Overall, undrafted receivers Nathan Palmer and Brian Tyms caught many more passes and made more impressive plays than Jenkins did...
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Well, at least we didn't go for AJ Jenkins: http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/...nicamp-review/

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  • A.J. Jenkins: The Niners first round pick looked like one of the worst wide receivers on the field most of minicamp. He didn’t play with the first- or second-team offense on Tuesday, and he didn’t catch a pass in scrimmages on Wednesday. He had trouble staying on his feet all three days, which was odd considering it was a non-contact minicamp. Overall, undrafted receivers Nathan Palmer and Brian Tyms caught many more passes and made more impressive plays than Jenkins did...
The AJ Jenkins pick surprised everybody! I thought they were definitely going to draft Hill at that spot. Hill made a lot more sense because he could come in with a similar frame as Moss and learn from a future HOFer. Posey I think will probably make the most progress between the start of training camp and the end up it simply because of the time he's missed on the field.
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Some interesting stuffs about Posey (and others).

http://old.houstontexans.com/news/Po...UTO=Y&EID=2181
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