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Old 05-24-2012   #401
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to follow up what Pencil Neck said, clearly best value approach was something they derived at purely on basis of need with using two early mid round picks. this is where best value presented itself so Rick Smith & Texans took advantage of what they felt was plus value @ WR position's.
Its just a gut feeling but I dont think anyone we drafted or signed as an UFA is going to help much this year. We are pinning our hopes on LeStarr Jean.....really need another veteran and at this point I would take a flyer on Plaxico. He wont be expensive and seems to have a small chip on his shulder. Texans were interested last year so why not roll the dice on the cheap?
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I've got to admit I've got that nervous feeling I had when we went with the kiddie corners. I really hope at least one of Jean/Posey/Martin can step up as a big time play maker.
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Its just a gut feeling but I dont think anyone we drafted or signed as an UFA is going to help much this year. We are pinning our hopes on LeStarr Jean.....really need another veteran and at this point I would take a flyer on Plaxico. He wont be expensive and seems to have a small chip on his shulder. Texans were interested last year so why not roll the dice on the cheap?
It's MAY.

There's a good chance of more vet WRs getting cut.

We've got a long way to go before we have all our pieces in place. That may mean going with the WRs we've got but odds are we'll pick up one vet WR before it's all said and done.
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In Kubiaks first Six drafts he used two 7th rounders , a 6th and one premium pick at WR - that being Pea Brain in the 3rd round of 07.
Not arguing your overall point and I may have missed where you mentioned him but Kubiak also paid a 7th for Kevin Walter as a RFA.
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Its just a gut feeling but I dont think anyone we drafted or signed as an UFA is going to help much this year. We are pinning our hopes on LeStarr Jean.....really need another veteran and at this point I would take a flyer on Plaxico. He wont be expensive and seems to have a small chip on his shulder. Texans were interested last year so why not roll the dice on the cheap?
IIRC, Plaxico was interested in the Texans. I don't remember the Texans ever showing any interest in him last year.
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Not arguing your overall point and I may have missed where you mentioned him but Kubiak also paid a 7th for Kevin Walter as a RFA.
The Broncos of the 90's had Rod Smith an UDFA and Ed McCaffery as their WRs .
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It's MAY.

There's a good chance of more vet WRs getting cut.

We've got a long way to go before we have all our pieces in place. That may mean going with the WRs we've got but odds are we'll pick up one vet WR before it's all said and done.
The Patriots are likely to cut some very interesting names pretty soon. I've been saying that I want a guy who can come in to push for starting playing time. I don't want to stunt the growth of our young guys, but you usually see rookies start to make strides about mid-season playing receiver. We can't afford to wait until then IMO.

There's a guy sitting out there who I would bring in without a question who would provide an upgrade to Kevin Walter, but we're stubborn as a FO about who we bring in.
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The Patriots are likely to cut some very interesting names pretty soon. I've been saying that I want a guy who can come in to push for starting playing time. I don't want to stunt the growth of our young guys, but you usually see rookies start to make strides about mid-season playing receiver. We can't afford to wait until then IMO.

There's a guy sitting out there who I would bring in without a question who would provide an upgrade to Kevin Walter, but we're stubborn as a FO about who we bring in.
Plaxico? I think quite a few people are advocating for him. I wouldn't mind him coming in at least for camp.
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Plaxico? I think quite a few people are advocating for him. I wouldn't mind him coming in at least for camp.
Braylon Edwards is a guy who I think would be better for this offense, and probably would come just as cheap. Big body, willing blocker, able to stretch the field, and has played in a similar offense.
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Not arguing your overall point and I may have missed where you mentioned him but Kubiak also paid a 7th for Kevin Walter as a RFA.
I didnt mention it .... as my post was in response to GP's who mentioned Walter specifically as being the only WR Kubiak has aquired.

Cant complain about the bag of chips given the Bungles in exchange for Walter considering the production.
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I didnt mention it .... as my post was in response to GP's who mentioned Walter specifically as being the only WR Kubiak has aquired.

Cant complain about the bag of chips given the Bungles in exchange for Walter considering the production.
They knew their record with WRs and that's probably why they held on to JJ which is ironic considering JJ can't hang on to much .
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In a round about sort of way, they did.

Going into the draft, Smith said over and over that this draft was deep at WR. There were a lot of guys (off the top of my head: Randle, Toon, Sanu, etc.) who would have gone in the 1st-3rd round other years that dropped to later rounds because there were so many talented guys available OR because of character concerns.

Prior to his suspension, Posey was considered a 2nd round talent. A lot of people red-flagged him because of those suspensions as a "bad character" guy but on reviewing why he was suspended, he's really not. He's a very talented receiver that we basically stole because a lot of people slept on him.

Dwight Jones is possibly even more talented and has more potential than Posey except that he DOES have real character concerns. If he hadn't screwed around, he easily could have been drafted in the 2nd round.

Walterfootball had Jones AND K-Mart ranked higher than Posey although I think they were giving too much emphasis to Posey's suspensions.

So, in effect, we got 3 guys at WR who could be considered early round prospects, we just got them in later rounds. So that's a good deal, right?
I doubt NFL teams went to sleep on Posey but not Jones. It's ok but I'm reading in your posts more personal opinion rather than NFL out to get Posey. It's possible that the GMs had a truer eval than you. We just have to wait and see. I hope you are right & I am wrong.
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They knew their record with WRs and that's probably why they held on to JJ which is ironic considering JJ can't hang on to much .
They held onto JJ because he does have all world talent .... and he flashed it just often enough to keep the team as well as many fans believing in him , believing year after year that he would finally turn the proverbial corner .... He made improvement year over year from 2008-10 but took a step back in 2011.


It took the events in Baltimore to seal his fate as a Texan .... For the team to give up on that talent. He just doesnt have the brain to go with the physical gifts.
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I doubt NFL teams went to sleep on Posey but not Jones. It's ok but I'm reading in your posts more personal opinion rather than NFL out to get Posey. It's possible that the GMs had a truer eval than you. We just have to wait and see. I hope you are right & I am wrong.
Who's to say that another team wouldnt have drafted Posey soon after had the Texans pased on him ??
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I doubt NFL teams went to sleep on Posey but not Jones. It's ok but I'm reading in your posts more personal opinion rather than NFL out to get Posey. It's possible that the GMs had a truer eval than you. We just have to wait and see. I hope you are right & I am wrong.
I shouldn't have said that other NFL teams went to sleep on Posey. Ultimately, we have no idea how team's boards looked. Let's say we take Randle at that spot (EDIT: I mean when we had the chance), there's no way to know where Posey would have ended up. He might have been the next WR off the board and he might have gone undrafted... although I doubt that.

But we know that Posey dropped on non-NFL Mock boards. And I think THOSE guys went to sleep on him.

I don't think anyone went to sleep on Jones. Jones has legitimate character concerns and those showed up in his Combine and Senior Bowl performances. Walterfootball had him going in the 5th to the Bengals.
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Who's to say that another team wouldnt have drafted Posey soon after had the Texans pased on him ??
Yep we can speculate in one hand and.....
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I shouldn't have said that other NFL teams went to sleep on Posey. Ultimately, we have no idea how team's boards looked. Let's say we take Randle at that spot (EDIT: I mean when we had the chance), there's no way to know where Posey would have ended up. He might have been the next WR off the board and he might have gone undrafted... although I doubt that.

But we know that Posey dropped on non-NFL Mock boards. And I think THOSE guys went to sleep on him.

I don't think anyone went to sleep on Jones. Jones has legitimate character concerns and those showed up in his Combine and Senior Bowl performances. Walterfootball had him going in the 5th to the Bengals.
I wasn't criticising your choice of words just that perhaps other GMs thought Posey's issues were more of a flag than do you or as I think he is not as good as some think. Again, like I did with KJ, he is on the team now & hope he does well.
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Here is a quote form Kubiak today, regarding the WRs:

“Flashes. They’re all what we thought they were. Getting a little fatigued right now. That bothers me. You’ve got to be able to run all day. (DeVier) Posey is out here pretty tired today. We’ve got to get those guys, condition-wise, to where they can do it all day long. But talent-wise, it’s exactly what we thought we were going to get.”

I know it preseson but kmoon you should be prepared...he's just losing his chances with Jean getting already first team reps.

Too early to tell and also we will see how Ruben Randle plays with NYG since Hakeem Nicks will be out 3 months. He will get the starting role and we will see if we miss out on him and made a huge mistake.
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Here is a quote form Kubiak today, regarding the WRs:

“Flashes. They’re all what we thought they were. Getting a little fatigued right now. That bothers me. You’ve got to be able to run all day. (DeVier) Posey is out here pretty tired today. We’ve got to get those guys, condition-wise, to where they can do it all day long. But talent-wise, it’s exactly what we thought we were going to get.”

I know it preseson but kmoon you should be prepared...he's just losing his chances with Jean getting already first team reps.

Too early to tell and also we will see how Ruben Randle plays with NYG since Hakeem Nicks will be out 3 months. He will get the starting role and we will see if we miss out on him and made a huge mistake.
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They’re young, I’ll can tell you that. It’s exciting because we’ve got a lot of ability to work with but obviously we’ve got a long, long way to go. It’ll be interesting to see how they sort themselves out. It’s a great opportunity for them. I mean, you look at Lestar Jean is working as a starter right now. As a player, all you can ask for is to get on the field, and if you do it, you’re not coming off. That’s the way this thing works. I’m going to rotate them every week. I think I’ll change them up, change the depth chart and see who’s going to stand out, who’s going to help our football team. But they’re all going to get an opportunity.”
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/ar...0-6f0e11a733ae

After making my comment earlier in the thread, this came out or I read it soon after. I'm not worried about it right now.
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Yep we can speculate in one hand and.....
And you are speculating he wouldnt have been ..... works both ways
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