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Old 03-10-2012   #41
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ummm performing enhancing drugs fall under the "substance abuse" category. according to NFL rules.. it can be anything ranging from HGH, anabolic steroids, alcohol, to over the counter drugs...
No, any performance enhancing drug like steroids, HGH, etc fall under the NFL's Anabolic Steroid and Related Substances Policy.

Illegal drugs, otc drugs, prescription drugs and alcohol fall under a different policy called the Substance Abuse Policy.

It's all semantics either way. A player putting something in his body that he's not supposed to is going to get caught.
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I know HGH is technically banned, but they don't have a test for it do they? I thought that never came to fruition after the lockout ended.
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He was suspended for taking Ritalin. He never got it approved by the NFL before taking. He's now been approved....but still has a 3 game suspension.

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He was suspended for taking Ritalin. He never got it approved by the NFL before taking. He's not been approved....but still has a 3 game suspension.



http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18...o-take-ritalin
I think that should say "he's now been approved".
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I think that should say "he's now been approved".
Ha, yeah, you're correct. Corrected it
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I would call up Da Raidas and ask what they want for Shane Lechler....

Got to be at least worth a 5th....
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He was suspended for taking Ritalin. He never got it approved by the NFL before taking...
He probably "over-scored" on the Wonderlic ..... dead giveaway for Ritalin.
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He was suspended for taking Ritalin. He never got it approved by the NFL before taking. He's now been approved....but still has a 3 game suspension.



http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18...o-take-ritalin
Does this mean he had a prescription?
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Teams require players to report all prescriptions they are on and EVERYTHING in the future should be approved through the team doctor. Add to it there are official drug lists and league meetings reviewing the policy on annual basis. The players who "claim" they didn't know or forgot to report it is equivalent to us telling a police officer we forgot we couldn't drink and drive. I think cushings excuse of getting pregnant was better than this.
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I would call up Da Raidas and ask what they want for Shane Lechler....

Got to be at least worth a 5th....
Well except for the fact that he's 35 y/o and will make $3 mill this year with incentives that could reach $ 3.8 mill...

Yeah. Not so much.
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Well he made a mistake he admits that he did not went and get the NFL's permission over taking that for his ADD. Poor guy!
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He was suspended for taking Ritalin. He never got it approved by the NFL before taking. He's now been approved....but still has a 3 game suspension.



http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18...o-take-ritalin
That's kinda jacked up!! Obviously he is in need of a particular med. and while he may not gotten it "approved" by the league why would the league not back off on the suspension???? -----> Roger GODdell
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Ritalin? Wow.

So Ritalin boosts performance? I always figured it just helped a guy with ADD to not annoy the hell out of everyone around him.

Seems a bit harsh to put Ritalin on the PED list.
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Ritalin? Wow.

So Ritalin boosts performance? I always figured it just helped a guy with ADD to not annoy the hell out of everyone around him.

Seems a bit harsh to put Ritalin on the PED list.
I'm sure stuff like pseudophed is on the list, too. When I was competing, I was amazed at the stuff I couldn't take and that was just the AAU. Besides the stuff that actually boosts performance, a lot of compounds can give you false positives for other things so you have to stay away from that stuff, too.
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Ritalin? Wow.

So Ritalin boosts performance? I always figured it just helped a guy with ADD to not annoy the hell out of everyone around him.

Seems a bit harsh to put Ritalin on the PED list.
I don't agree with it being on the PED list and think if he had a prescription for it the NFL should have considered a warning. Kids are starting to snort it in massive doses and even inject it with what they claim are cocaine like effects which also to my knowledge would have no performance enhancing effect.
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Ritalin is most commonly prescribed to children with Attention Deficit Disorder, but the effects of Ritalin on adults are usually quite different from the effects on children. Ritalin is sometimes prescribed to treat depression, for instance, because it has overt stimulative effects that is in opposition to the calming effects the drug has on hyperactive kids. Paradoxically, when used by adults, Ritalin actually creates a feeling of hyperactivity. It's stimulative effects are very much amphetamine-like, commonly leading to weight loss, insomnia, tremors, anxiety, high blood pressure, fast heart rate. There is good reason that this would be a banned substance in an adult NFL player.
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Ritalin is most commonly prescribed to children with Attention Deficit Disorder, but the effects of Ritalin on adults are usually quite different from the effects on children. Ritalin is sometimes prescribed to treat depression, for instance, because it has overt stimulative effects that is in opposition to the calming effects the drug has on hyperactive kids. Paradoxically, when used by adults, Ritalin actually creates a feeling of hyperactivity. It's stimulative effects are very much amphetamine-like, commonly leading to weight loss, insomnia, tremors, anxiety, high blood pressure, fast heart rate. There is good reason that this would be a banned substance in an adult NFL player.

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Ritalin is most commonly prescribed to children with Attention Deficit Disorder, but the effects of Ritalin on adults are usually quite different from the effects on children. Ritalin is sometimes prescribed to treat depression, for instance, because it has overt stimulative effects that is in opposition to the calming effects the drug has on hyperactive kids. Paradoxically, when used by adults, Ritalin actually creates a feeling of hyperactivity. It's stimulative effects are very much amphetamine-like, commonly leading to weight loss, insomnia, tremors, anxiety, high blood pressure, fast heart rate. There is good reason that this would be a banned substance in an adult NFL player.
So Doc - given that it appears Ritalin would not be a legitimate treatment of adult ADHD, is depression the likely condition that an adult taking it would be treating, or are there other legitimate uses in adults?
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I'm sure stuff like pseudophed is on the list, too. When I was competing, I was amazed at the stuff I couldn't take and that was just the AAU. Besides the stuff that actually boosts performance, a lot of compounds can give you false positives for other things so you have to stay away from that stuff, too.
Ah, I see. Makes sense now.

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Ritalin is most commonly prescribed to children with Attention Deficit Disorder, but the effects of Ritalin on adults are usually quite different from the effects on children. Ritalin is sometimes prescribed to treat depression, for instance, because it has overt stimulative effects that is in opposition to the calming effects the drug has on hyperactive kids. Paradoxically, when used by adults, Ritalin actually creates a feeling of hyperactivity. It's stimulative effects are very much amphetamine-like, commonly leading to weight loss, insomnia, tremors, anxiety, high blood pressure, fast heart rate. There is good reason that this would be a banned substance in an adult NFL player.
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So Doc - given that it appears Ritalin would not be a legitimate treatment of adult ADHD, is depression the likely condition that an adult taking it would be treating, or are there other legitimate uses in adults?
I forgot it has opposite effects upon adults. Thanks, CnD.

And I'm with ChampionTexan here: Is there any other reason an adult would need Ritalin, other than for fighting depression?
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Well his suspension did get reduced at least.
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