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Old 05-11-2012   #361
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Here's an SI.com article on Posey, specifically the Texans' choice of him, and a few screen shots that they analyzed.

Pretty decent article. Here's an excerpt:
no long speed and afraid of the middle of the field is his downside. Nice.
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I believe you're confusing Devier Posey with Dwight Jones.
My apologies to board as I stand corrected. I did think it was Posey with the party/name issues. Thanks for heads up.
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no long speed and afraid of the middle of the field is his downside. Nice.
Classic darkhorse. under the radar/studied among 2012 WR class. what Kubiak likes is his ability to create separation in & out of breaks. DeVier possess the upside needed to succeed in the NFL making him a great value with a mid 3rd rd. pick. Posey killed the Ducks in 2010 Rose Bowl he could not be covered, caught everything thrown to him 8 receptions 101 yards, 12.6 yards per catch & game winning TD. He is the type of receiver who excels in the redzone, combination of creating space & awareness, knowing how to help the QB. Toughness over the middle is one reason they took Martin, who is more of a slot WR, in 4th also great value considering he will return kicks as well.
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And...
I'll tell ya' ... these writers (Chris Burke, in this instance)... they like to find fault and something to write about, at times they just don't watch enough tapes and/or don't watch it closely enough - understandable, as they had to write about a lot of different players, they skimmed through the tapes.

In doing so, they did themselves a disservice.

Burke got several things wrong:
- Route running is Posey's strong suite.
- Catching the ball in traffic is not a bad part of his game.

Think about it... A guy with no deep speed that can't run route and is afraid of going in the middle... Would there be a team stupid enough to draft such a guy in the third round?

I can get to the specific play(s) when I have some time, but I don't think it's really necessary.
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I'll tell ya' ... these writers (Chris Burke, in this instance)... they like to find fault and something to write about, at times they just don't watch enough tapes and/or don't watch it closely enough - understandable, as they had to write about a lot of different players, they skimmed through the tapes.

In doing so, they did themselves a disservice.

Burke got several things wrong:
- Route running is Posey's strong suite.
- Catching the ball in traffic is not a bad part of his game.

Think about it... A guy with no deep speed that can't run route and is afraid of going in the middle... Would there be a team stupid enough to draft such a guy in the third round?

I can get to the specific play(s) when I have some time, but I don't think it's really necessary.
I agree, but to be fair I don't think he was saying that is who Posey is but rather he has shown a tendency to do those things.

And I don't even know if it's a tendency really. Just a couple of not so great moments.

But I agree with your point that he has shown the ability to do those things more than he has shown to not do them.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how he adjusts to the NFL.
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Very Nice breakdown of Posey's Game

Click on the link for a 76 style breakdown. While I don't agree with a few things he said, I think a lot of people are just unsure of what to make of Posey. Having a true QB throwing the ball to him will improve his game drastically I believe though.

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In the Seinfeld episode “The Soul Mate,” George tries to prove that there’s a massive conspiracy against him at his deceased wife’s charitable foundation. At one point, he gives an enthusiastic speech to Jerry about the situation and closes by stating, “That’s what we know.”

Jerry replies, “But we already knew that!”

And that, in a nutshell, is where we are with DeVier Posey. You want to study his game, learn what type of player he is? Well, then you may as well pull out the film from 2009 or ’10, or check out what people had to say when it looked like he might enter the supplemental draft last summer.

We really don’t have any new information regarding Posey as a player, since he was suspended for the first 10 games of his senior season because of his involvement in the Ohio State off-field scandal that took down Jim Tressel.

Upon his return to the lineup in 2011, Posey caught 12 passes in three games.

So, we have to dip a little deeper into the tape to find out what the Houston Texans added with the 68th pick in the draft. The Texans needed to find some depth at wide receiver, especially after stumbling without Andre Johnson in the lineup last season.

Is Posey capable of being a go-to guy for the Texans? It might be awhile until there’s an answer.

Even in diving back to Posey’s previous seasons, it’s important to remember that he had Terrelle Pryor throwing to him, so his numbers (6o catches in 2009, 53 in 2010) certainly were not aided by that fact.

There’s a pretty wide variance in Posey’s game, too, with a lot of good mingling with some obvious bad to create an uncertain picture. We’ll open on the glass half-full side of things …

The 6-foot-2, 211-pound Posey has a high quota of playmaking ability and, if he’s single-covered while teams pay attention to Johnson, looks like he can find some seams. The play below comes from Ohio State’s win over Miami in 2010, with Pryor at QB.
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NFL Draft Player Spotlight- DeVier Posey
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Brandon LaFell, Steve Breaston, Nate Burleson, Kevin Walter, Mohamed Massaquoi
Senior Bowl Spotlight

So we are replacing Kevin Walter with...well...Kevin Walter....
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Brandon LaFell, Steve Breaston, Nate Burleson, Kevin Walter, Mohamed Massaquoi
Posey compares to Steve Breaston and Kevin Walter? Breaston is a reed-thin slot receiver. Walter is 225lb possession receiver who is instrumental in the run game. Which one is Posey?

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The problem is the writer sometimes describes the play all wrong; therefore, the conclusion he drew from that play is incorrect.

Start with the "not so good" part, Chris Burke brought up a play in the Sugar Bowl as followed:

"It’s a good start to the play, with Posey beating tight coverage at the line and getting inside the corner covering him. However, that corner had deep safety help, which means Posey and Pryor had to run everything to perfection to complete a slant pattern.
That’s not quite what happened.
Posey’s there with space, but Pryor’s throw sailed a bit. Worse yet, for our specific study, Posey short-armed his catch attempt, no doubt hearing the footsteps from the closing safety.
That’s an issue that comes up again and again with Posey. He’ll go over the middle, he might even make some catches in traffic — he scored against Indiana in 2009 on a play similar to this one, where he plucked the ball and secured it before being rocked at the goal line. But he’ll drop some passes that he shouldn’t and he will shy from contact at times."

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That was not what happened, Burke!

Posey lined up a couple yards outside the numbers.
The Buckeyes ran a 4-vertical pattern with Posey the lone receiver on the right; the Razorbacks were in man coverage with a single deep safety.

Posey ran a seam route (not a slant).
He opened up the CB by faking an outside release and beat him to the inside.

Posey started to look for the ball around the 15yd-mark from the LOS.
This is where the ball should have been aimed at; somewhere between 15-18 yards to avoid the safety.

However, the ball sailed high as it was thrown to 22-23 yards.

Pryor locked onto his target too soon; he never moved the safety with his eyes; this allowed the safety to converge quickly.

Remember that it was a 4-vertical against a single deep safety.
All Pryor had to do is to look straight downfield (he didn't) at the safety to hold him there for a little bit.

Or failing that, he could have just thrown the ball a couple of yards shorter and Posey would have had an easy catch.

The ball sailed high; Posey reached out with one hand, but it was just too far away.

I don't get how Burke can say that Posey "short-armed" his catch attempt on an overthrown ball.



He even chose the "best" camera angle to try to fool people into believing his point.
And with that he concluded that Posey short-armed it because he was "no doubt" hearing footsteps from the closing safety.

No Burke, the guy who needs more consistency is you!
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That was not what happened, Burke!
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No Burke, the guy who needs more consistency is you!
Exactly, rack him! MSR Gotta do a more credible job with SI.

Here's the play cued up & slow-mo: http://youtu.be/xEkBl91EJsk?t=3m54s If Burke had just listened to the commentator he'd have done a better job.

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Pryor locked onto his target too soon; he never moved the safety with his eyes; this allowed the safety to converge quickly.
That's the one thing that jumped out at me more than anything watching these older cutups -- Pryor locks on worse than even Leinart, imo. It's like there's always only one WR in pattern. Makes a receiver's job a lot tougher.
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Exactly, rack him! MSR Gotta do a more credible job with SI.

Here's the play cued up & slow-mo: http://youtu.be/xEkBl91EJsk?t=3m54s If Burke had just listened to the commentator he'd have done a better job.

That's the one thing that jumped out at me more than anything watching these older cutups -- Pryor locks on worse than even Leinart, imo. It's like there's always only one WR in pattern. Makes a receiver's job a lot tougher.

Exactly! 76 did a much better job than saying what I disagreed with than I would have done. The thing about playing with inconsistent QB's who move around a lot is it sometimes gets receivers into some bad habits. Burke said that Posey isn't a good route runner, but that's just not true in my opinion. When you have an inaccurate QB who scrambles a lot you're not going to be used to the ball being delivered on time consistently.

That's why I'm excited to see what he's going to do in this offense. He won't have that problem here of worrying about QB's moving around and can simply play within the system. I've also seen him make some tough catches where he took big shots so I'm not worried about him shying away from contact either.
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Here he is at an autograph signing (I guess?) in his uni. Damn, that collar!



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no long speed and afraid of the middle of the field is his downside. Nice.
just like arian fosters lack of speed and poor vision..
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Great finding "False Start"! Nice to see him and put a Texans picture on this guy. Hopefully he will pan out, however Im affraid that I will always measure him againts Rueben Randle since we past on him to get Posey.

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Sounds like he has a ways to go.
A rookie who played three games last year in college, on the second day of OTAs ?

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Sounds like he has a ways to go.
not if we can find him a "bog" to play in.
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