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Old 05-15-2012   #41
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Cutting the third starting lineman from last years starting Oline in the person of one Wade Smith would indeed be a big surprise.
What I think is very possible is cutting the projected starter for this season at RG, Antoine Caldwell. They've drafted 2 players this year using mid round picks who could play that position, and then they've got another young guard in Shelly Smith coming back who will compete for snaps at the guard position.
And Caldwell has basically been a disappointment for the Texans.
I don't think it is "very possible" cutting Caldwell at all. I know he didn't play as well as Brisiel when Brisiel went down, but I think that was due to him having nagging injuries this past season. I think the Texans are counting on him to be the RG while they groom Shelley Smith and Brooks, and I don't think they are disappointed in him. I've only heard this disappointment coming from the fans.

Now, I don't believe they would get rid of Wade Smith either since, like you said, that would be the 3rd starting lineman lost. But, the question was who do you think would be a surprise cut or trade, and I still think Wade Smith would be the lineman most likely to go due to his age and his drop off in play last season. Not saying this will happen, because I don't think it will due to the added loss of continuity in the line. But, at this time, and unless he is rejuvenated, I think Wade Smith will be the one looking over his shoulder at Shelley and Brandon.
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None of the veteran OL are in danger. We need all of 'em since the departure of Winston and Brisiel.

Walter is not in danger. Kubiak values him as a veteran WR who has reliable hands and blocks in the run game. Plus, never let it slip from your mind that Walter caught the game winning pass vs. Bengals in a clutch moment on the road. That cements his value as a WR who can be trusted in big games.

Truth is, we're skinny at every position. Ryans, Dreessen, Jacoby, Winston, Brisiel, Mario, and Allen represent 5 different positions on our team that require a depth chart "up flow" and then 3rd stringers who now become 2nd stringers.

I don't see any surprise cuts. Like its been said, the surprise cuts/departures have already happened. Now it's a deal of figuring out depth chart slots.

This is the safest year for Texans players because of how much Gary values continuity and how it connects with all the key players who left us. If you just do your job, you make the roster. Because the herd has already been thinned out ahead of time.
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Shaun Cody (not probable but, IMO, most likely)

If Mitchell's weight gain is as beneficial as I think it will be, I think Earl wins out the starting job. The other thing that needs to happen for Cody to be cut would be for Fangupo to hit the ground running and show in the preseason that he's serviceable as Mitchell's backup.
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Same for Andre Johnson, right?
Getting there. A lot of factors mitigate it though in AJ's case. Still AJ's got a lot of miles and years on him. He's been banged up a lot in recent seasons and I think if the Texans aren't searching for a guy who can step in for AJ to at least some degree then they're crazy.
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I don't see Schaub as injury prone. His last 2 injuries were Jared Allen diving into his knee (an illegal and dirty play) and a 300+lb fatty landing on his foot. Anyone could suffer the same injuries in those situations. Injury prone, in my mind, are describes guys that have chronic muscle strain issues, chronic concussions, back issues ect ...

I would consider MW more injury prone than Schaub, heck AJ may have more issues than Schaub going forward. Contact injuries to joints can happen to anyone.

Also, if you're trading Schaub you'd get waaaay more than a 4 or 5. Hell Plamer pulled multi first rounders. At this point Schaub is the superior QB

It's true. Anybody could get hurt in those situations. I think we've established with very little doubt that Schaub will get hurt in those situations.

Some guys just break easier than others. Some guys find themselves getting hit in bad ways regularly. Remember the kids you grew up with who always broke something or had some kind of scrape or cut? Some kids you just don't trust to carry the knife over to mom.

At some point you have to just look objectively at the number of games a player has missed and admit that this player gets hurt a lot. Then you have to decide if he's so good that you're willing to run with that chance or if you think there's a guy out there who can take the same beating and not miss as much time.
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It seems to me that with the Winston cut, letting Mario walk (I know, no real choice), the DeMeco trade, the turning over of our roster is happening right before our eyes. It would not amaze me to see Antonio Smith or K.W. or O.D. or Cody "moved" this year or next.

As for movement this season, I agree with GP; the "surprises" have already happened.

And Schaub ain't goin' no place until Yates or Beck or maybe even Keenum can show that one of them can step in and effectively run this offense. Yates' 1-3 record as starter doesn't inspire confidence from my knothole. And Beck (who's the same age as Schaub) seems to be your basic journeyman backup. Keenum is, IMHO, the best bet for the future until they spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB.
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It's true. Anybody could get hurt in those situations. I think we've established with very little doubt that Schaub will get hurt in those situations.

Some guys just break easier than others. Some guys find themselves getting hit in bad ways regularly. Remember the kids you grew up with who always broke something or had some kind of scrape or cut? Some kids you just don't trust to carry the knife over to mom.

At some point you have to just look objectively at the number of games a player has missed and admit that this player gets hurt a lot. Then you have to decide if he's so good that you're willing to run with that chance or if you think there's a guy out there who can take the same beating and not miss as much time.
I understand where you're coming from, but I think the body is just not meant to handle certain forces. Tom Brady got injured on the exact same type of play as the Allen hit on Schaub, and I think any QB would get hurt if a 270+ lb DLman dove into their knee. The knee can't handle that type of hit. I view the foot injury the same way, if a giant man falls and lands on your foot the wrong way, it's going to break, and it could happen to anyone. Personally, Im not ready to label a guy as injury prone when his injuries could have legitimately happened to any athlete in the same situation.

When I think injury prone, I think of athletes like Yao, Tracy McGrady or (going back a little) Brent Price. These guy's bodies just had issues, Yao with his feet, TMac with his back and heck Price tore his ACL running down the court. These guys are injury prone. There are plenty of similar examples in the NFL but these jumped out at me.
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It seems to me that with the Winston cut, letting Mario walk (I know, no real choice), the DeMeco trade, the turning over of our roster is happening right before our eyes. It would not amaze me to see Antonio Smith or K.W. or O.D. or Cody "moved" this year or next.

As for movement this season, I agree with GP; the "surprises" have already happened.

And Schaub ain't goin' no place until Yates or Beck or maybe even Keenum can show that one of them can step in and effectively run this offense. Yates' 1-3 record as starter doesn't inspire confidence from my knothole. And Beck (who's the same age as Schaub) seems to be your basic journeyman backup. Keenum is, IMHO, the best bet for the future until they spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB.
How do you calculate a 1-3 record for Yates as a starter? In the regular season, he was 2-3 with his two wins coming against the Falcons and Bengals. In the post-season, he was 1-1. Overall, he's 3-4 with all three wins coming against playoff teams.
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I don't think the Schaub deal is that far fetched. I think he is definitely a better QB than Yates but for what the Texans are starting to do, they don't need a 4,000 yard guy anymore. He struggled some last year before injuries and Yates showed he could manage games..even without AJ at times...and get results. Once they moved to a "running the ball, playing tough D, ball control" type team vs airing it out, the whole dynamic of Schaub and how valuable he had to be changed.
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How do you calculate a 1-3 record for Yates as a starter? In the regular season, he was 2-3 with his two wins coming against the Falcons and Bengals. In the post-season, he was 1-1. Overall, he's 3-4 with all three wins coming against playoff teams.
I would say 2-2 in regular season, he only played one series against Titans.
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I would say 2-2 in regular season, he only played one series against Titans.
Good point, and he was 4-4 in that game.
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I'm in the "suprises have already happened" camp.
I don't see Schaub going anywhere. Nor do I see him as a Chris Chandler type. Most of Schaub's injuries have been the kind that would sideline any QB and more the product of bad luck than fragility. Still, injured is injured and there has to be a concern. It would take a miraculous showing by any of the backups to get Kubiak to even consider moving Schaub.
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If he shows by mid-season that he can still take the field, and another team has a QB go down, we may be able to get a fourth or fifth for him. Nothing BB about this guys last grasp at glory in the league, IMHO. He may turn out to be a serviceable starter for a desperate team needing to finish the season or groom a young gun, otherwise he should be a back-up until he retires, if he can play again at all.

Honestly a 4th or 5th for Shaub? There are alot of teams of there that would love to have him, including 49rs, Titans, Vikings, even the Jets. He is worth more than a 4 or even a 3rd. He is a above average QB in a league that is starving for one that can manage a game and also throw for crazy numbers. Just IMHO
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How do you calculate a 1-3 record for Yates as a starter? In the regular season, he was 2-3 with his two wins coming against the Falcons and Bengals. In the post-season, he was 1-1. Overall, he's 3-4 with all three wins coming against playoff teams.
You're right. Don't know why but I forgot about the Falcon game.

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Honestly a 4th or 5th for Shaub? There are alot of teams of there that would love to have him, including 49rs, Titans, Vikings, even the Jets. He is worth more than a 4 or even a 3rd. He is a above average QB in a league that is starving for one that can manage a game and also throw for crazy numbers. Just IMHO
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