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Old 04-23-2012   #21
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Guys who wouldn't be taken where they were(or before) if there was a do over in bold

1 Lions Matthew Stafford QB
2 Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB
5 Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 Jaguars Eugene Monroe OT

9 Packers B.J. Raji DT
10 49ers Michael Crabtree WR
11 Bills Aaron Maybin DE
12 Broncos Knowshon Moreno RB

13 Redskins Brian Orakpo DE
14 Saints Malcolm Jenkins CB
15 TexansBrian Cushing OLB
16 Chargers Larry English DE
17 Buccaneers Josh Freeman QB
18 Broncos Robert Ayers LB
19 Eagles Jeremy Maclin WR
20 Lions Brandon PettigrewTE

21 Browns Alex Mack C
22 Vikings Percy Harvin WR
23 Ravens Michael Oher OT
24 Falcons Peria Jerry DT
25 Dolphins Vontae Davis CB
26 Packers Clay Matthews OLB
27 Colts Donald Brown RB
28 Bills Eric Wood C
29 Giants Hakeem Nicks WR
30 Titans Kenny Britt WR
31 Cardinals Chris Wells RB
32 Steelers Evander Hood DT
Not sure the bucs would redo freeman next.
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"They" say you have to wait 3 years to judge a draft, and while Rick Smith et al hit a home run with our 2009 draft, I wanted to revisit the 2009 First Round to gauge how well the teams/the league did...

I'm interested in determining how many of these first round picks are/were misses ... who's on your list as a miss from this list?


1 Lions Matthew Stafford QB
2 Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB
5 Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 Jaguars Eugene Monroe OT
9 Packers B.J. Raji DT
10 49ers Michael Crabtree WR
11 Bills Aaron Maybin DE
12 Broncos Knowshon Moreno RB
13 Redskins Brian Orakpo DE
Man how did Orakpo last that long again? He seemed ideal in a 4-3 as a DE or a 3-4 defense as a OLB. The hype on Aaron Curry was insane that year though from what I remember.
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ProFootballFocus just posted this. Picks 17 on can be seen in the link below :

Re-Drafting the 2009 First Round
April 24th, 2012 | Author: Khaled Elsayed

Yesterday I was kind enough to re-do the first round of the 2008 draft, and with the same amount of hindsight that makes it easy to judge general managers, itís time for the 2009 class. The premise is simple: you have a time machine, you go back to April 2009, and you assume control of every franchise and their top pick. Knowing what we know about how players will perform and how their bodies will hold up, we then make the right selection for every team.
Itís officially time for a re-draft.

1. Matthew Stafford, QB, Detroit Lions
Key Stat: Only six of Staffordís touchdowns came when he was under pressure.
Notes: Put forward the kind of statistical year that would lead you to believe heís one of the leagueís best, but still has some ways to go in terms of actual performance. Excels when is given time and makes good use out of his main weapon, but he needs to improve under pressure and consistently make better decisions.
Re-Draft: Itís worked out pretty well, so stick with Matthew Stafford.
Grade: +1.0

2. Jason Smith, OT, St Louis Rams
Key Stat: In three seasons, Smith has played just 1,730 snaps. Thatís just 52.5% of the Ramsí total snaps on offense in that period.
Notes: Drafted to be the teamís franchise left tackle, Smith has instead become the teamís liability on the right side. The scary thing about him is that at times he looks good, but a week later can look like one of the worst players in the league. Lacks consistency, seems to have caught the injury bug, and was one of the most overpaid players out there.
Re-Draft: Once again this picked worked out Ö actually, no, it didnít. The Rams are still looking for a replacement for Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt, so Hakeem Nicks would help immensely.
Grade: -1.5

3. Tyson Jackson, DE, Kansas City Chiefs
Key Stat: Responsible for more defensive stops in the run game (38) than any other 3-4 defensive end in the league.
Notes: Jackson isnít a defender who does a particularly good job at getting upfield and may never live up to where heís drafted because of his limited skill set. That said, heís made himself a valuable part of the Chiefsí defense with his ability to get off blocks and make stops in the run game.
Re-Draft: How good would this team be with Clay Matthews on the roster paired with Tamba Hali?
Grade: -0.5

4. Aaron Curry, LB, Seattle Seahawks
Key Stat: Curry has only missed 14 tackles in three years.
Notes: The most NFL-ready player from the 2009 draft would go on to have our third-lowest grade of all 4-3 outside linebackers in his rookie year. Curry never truly recovered in Seattle, with his coverage woes all too evident and a coaching staff unable to channel his inner playmaker. While he may well prove a capable two-down player in the league for a long time, he adds to the argument against taking linebackers early in the draft. He was traded to Oakland last year for a 2012 seventh round pick and a conditional selection in 2013.
Re-Draft: Linebacker wasnít necessarily the wrong place to target. They just landed the wrong guy. Step forward Brian Cushing.
Grade: -1.0

5. Mark Sanchez, QB, New York Jets
Key Stat: In three years worth of action, has the lowest grade of any player drafted from 2009 at -54.4.
Notes: His performances in the playoff game (where he has cut down his mistakes significantly) have made many forget about how horrible heís been for most of the regular season. Presented with a roster as deep as any in the league, heís had to be carried to the playoffs amid a complete inability to function under pressure.
Re-Draft: Stay away from the ďSanchizeĒ thus saving themselves years of molly coddling a sub-standard quarterback. The Jets finally get some outside pass rush with Brian Orakpo, though, in hindsight, they donít trade up this high.
Grade: -1.0

6. Andre Smith, OT, Cincinnati Bengals
Key Stat: Went from a -18.0 grade in 2010 to -1.7 a year later.
Notes: Found it hard to get (and stay) on the field in his first two years in the league. Weight issues and a chronic foot injury kept him sidelined for much of the start of his career. Took a step forward in 2011 but has failed to justify such an early draft pick being spent on him.
Re-Draft: It never hurts to introduce an offensive weapon like Percy Harvin.
Grade: -0.5

7. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Oakland Raiders
Key Stat: Managed almost twice as many yards in 2011 (975) as he did in 2009 and 2010 combined (490).
Notes: In 2011, Heyward-Bey finally started to show his potential earning a +4.6 receiving grade for his troubles. That wasnít quite the case in either of his first two years. He was so poor in both years that he picked up our lowest receiving grade in 2009 and second-lowest a year later. Heyward-Bey finally looks to be on an upward curve at this point in his career.
Re-Draft: You want a speedster wide receiver? Well, how about Mike Wallace?
Grade: -0.5

8. Eugene Monroe, OT, Jacksonville Jaguars
Key Stat: Finished 2011 as our third-ranked left tackle.
Notes: It has taken Monroe some time to get it together in the NFL, but he really stepped it up in the critical third year. Nine sacks given up is a tad deceiving based on who was taking them, but just 25 QB disruptions all year showcase a player living up to his draft stock. He is one of the better tackles in the league when it comes to actually helping out his running back.
Re-Draft: Making Lardarius Webb the pick would provide a complement (and heir) to Rashean Mathis.
Grade: +0.5

9. B.J. Raji, DT, Green Bay Packers
Key Stat: Finished at the bottom of all defensive tackles in our Run Stop % signature stat, and sixth from bottom in our Pass Rush Productivity rankings for 2011.
Notes: Raji was something of a star after helping Green Bay to the Super Bowl. His hit-and-miss year in 2010 ended with two big performances with the nationís eyes on him. His start to 2011 seemed to suggest heíd be carrying this form forward, but after Week 3, his season went south with Raji unable to make much of an impact no matter how much Green Bay left him on the field. He faces a big year in 2012 as this Packer tries to regain his form.
Re-Draft: The cracks were already starting to show at the tackle spot with Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher only getting older. Sebastian Vollmer could step in at either spot from Day 1.
Grade: -0.5

10. Michael Crabtree, WR, San Francisco 49ers
Key Stat: Crabtree has yet to manage more than 874 yards in an NFL season.
Notes: Its safe to say Crabtree hasnít always been helped by the play of his quarterback. However, he hasnít actually managed to stand out with the opportunities that have been presented to him. He is one of the leagueís better receivers after the catch (his 14 forced missed tackles in 2011 was fifth of all receivers) but needs to cut down on the drops (22 since entering the league).
Re-Draft: Wide receiver is still a glaring need. There are massive character concerns here, but Kenny Britt brings with him the kind of playmaking this team needed.
Grade: 0.0

11. Aaron Maybin, DE, Buffalo Bills
Key Stat: Picked up just 11 combined sacks, hits, and hurries in his time with Buffalo. Maybin managed 24 with the Jets in one season.
Notes: It never worked out for Maybin in Buffalo and he was limited to a purely situational role in New York. He could prove a long-term asset for the Jets, but given how one-dimensional he is, thatís not the type of player you want to spend a high first round pick on.
Re-Draft: The Bills needed a tackle to replace the departed Jason Peters. Eugene Monroe has all the tools to be a franchise left tackle for a long time.
Grade: -2.0

12. Knowshon Moreno, HB, Denver Broncos
Key Stat: Managed almost as many yards in his rookie year (947) as he did in the next two years combined (958).
Notes: While Moreno can make some moves in the open field, heís never finished higher than 16th in terms of total rushing yards. That about sums up how heís failed to justify his draft selection, never looking like the No. 1 back he was drafted to be.
Re-Draft: You want a running back, then LeSean McCoy fits in with what the Broncos needed.
Grade: -0.5

13. Brian Orakpo, OLB, Washington Redskins
Key Stat: Orakpo has tallied a +51.3 grade for his pass rushing in three years.
Notes: He may not be the most complete player in the league, but Orakpo has been a pass-rushing menace since entering the league. Initially playing linebacker in a 4-3, Orakpo had success in a way similar to (but not as prolific as) Von Miller. This was before a move to the 3-4 pushed him onto the next level. His impact for the Redskins is measured in 147 combined sacks, hits, and hurries since entering the league.
Re-Draft: Time to draft the successor to Jason Campbell, and that man is Josh Freeman.
Grade: +1.0

14. Malcolm Jenkins, S, New Orleans Saints
Key Stat: Has missed 29 tackles since entering the league while recording 36 defensive stops.
Notes: The college corner didnít just have to account for adjusting to safety in the proís; he had to deal with being the safety in a Gregg Williams defense. That makes life about as tough as it gets in safety land. It has also left him vulnerable to being exposed on more than one occasion. His talent shines through at times, but you get the feeling weíve yet to see the best out of him.
Re-Draft: The Saints needed a defensive end that could come in and play on every down if required. Matt Shaughnessy would improve their DE spot.
Grade: -0.5

15. Brian Cushing, LB, Houston Texans
Key Stat: Led all inside linebackers last year with 34 combined sacks, hits and hurries.
Notes: In three years in the league has emerged as one of the top linebackers in the NFL. Other than a 2010 where Cushing had problems with performance and a suspension, heís shown an ability to make plays all over the field. A true every-down linebacker who can play the run, drop into coverage and rush the passer, Cushing can do it all.
Re-Draft: How about this, Arian Foster falls to the perfect team for him.
Grade: +1.5

16. Larry English, OLB, San Diego Chargers
Key Stat: 37 combined sacks, hits, and hurries over his NFL career.
Notes: English was our lowest-rated 3-4 outside linebacker as a rookie and has managed to get on the field for just 227 snaps in the two years that followed. He is simply not a good pass rusher or someone who could be trusted as an every-down player. Heís been plagued by the injury bug in his tenure with the Chargers as well.
Re-Draft: More disappointing than what B.J. Raji has been, Raji would be a better fit at end in San Diego than at nose tackle anywhere else.
Grade: -1.0


http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...first-round-2/
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2 Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB
5 Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
10 49ers Michael Crabtree WR
11 Bills Aaron Maybin DE
12 Broncos Knowshon Moreno RB
16 Chargers Larry English DE
24 Falcons Peria Jerry DT
27 Colts Donald Brown RB
28 Bills Eric Wood C
^^^^
This, but I will give Jerry and Wood a break, their careers have been derailed due to injury. There's still hope for them.
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Love the way he had to choose our own RB to find somebody better for us than the guy we picked in the first.
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Love the way he had to choose our own RB to find somebody better for us than the guy we picked in the first.
He didn't pick Foster because he was better for us than Cushing - it's just that Cushing was gone after the 4th selection in his redraft.
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How does Foster make it to 15?
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How does Foster make it to 15?
And Lesean Mccoy is drafted ahead of him?

WTF?

I think there needs to be a re-draft of his re-draft.
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How does Foster make it to 15?
And Percy Harvin over Mike Wallace & Kenny Britt ... ? Not in my view.


Still, what's amazing to me is how many high 1st round busts there are.
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