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Old 04-17-2012   #41
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Bottom line Fleener is a luxury pick with Daniels and Graham on the roster.
How is Fleener any more a luxury pick than Perry?
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Hindsight is 20-20 but if other teams projected Gronk or Hernandez to become what they are today do you seriously feel ski is still a 2nd rounder or dez a 4th? seriously dude, be realistic & this is just part of the attraction. The fact Kubiak probably knows how to utilize TE skill sets better than any head coach in the NFL makes a lot of us Texan fans drool

Now combine this with Fleener is faster 4.4's & stronger 27 reps to 23 to Gronk. 47 receptions, 672 yards 14.3 average per catch & 10 TD's his last season in Arizona, year before 28 rec 525 yds 18.75 avg. 8 TD's. I just don't see a disturbing difference here to Coby's production, actually very similar more a function of two conservative head coaches. 34 receptions, 667 yards (within 5 yards) 19.62 average per catch 10 TD's the freaking same. Very similar numbers previous season, 28 receptions (same) 434 yards 15.5 avg. 7 TD's. Also Coby had two previous seasons of development @ Stanford under Harbaugh. Vernon Davis is another excellent receiving TE, his last two most productive seasons track right along with Gronk & Fleener 52 receptions, 871 yards, 17.1 average per catch & 6 TD's. Previous year, 28 receptions, 439 yards 15.7 average pre catch & 3 TD's. Selected 6th overall based not as much on his production, cause both Gronk & Fleener compare favorably but based off his combine workout. Faster & stronger than both, but lacks size/length or TD production. Size does matter in the NFL (so does speed & strength) but Fleener may be the best combination of all three of these tremendous players, especially in Kubiaks offense & some people still don't feel his value is worth 26th pick

Owen Daniels - 62 receptions, 852 yards, 8 TDs - 3 years - Wisconsin

Coby Fleener - 96 receptions, 1543 yards, 18 Tds - 4 years - Stanford

Garrett Graham - 121 receptions, 1492 yards, 16 TDs - 3 years - Wisconsin


Maybe Garrett Graham will be the next Gronk, too.

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Blackmon, Floyd and Wright all have a better shot at being our #1 WR than Fleener has at starting TE. They tore up the college level. Something Fleener has not done.



Fleener had 34 freaking catches in 13 games last season. If he is so HUGE and FAST then tell me why his stats are so weak? Stop trying to boast him as an all world TE because he is not. He is becoming one of the most overrated prospects in this draft due to Gronk and Hernandez in NE. Not to mention, Gronk went in the 2nd round and Hernandez in the 4th.

Bottom line Fleener is a luxury pick with Daniels and Graham on the roster.
Difference is Fleener was productive in a fairly conservative offense at Stanford. I would compare his ability to a guy like Stephen Hill. Freakish athletic ability, but in an offense that doesn't fully utilize it. Luck is also great at ball distribution.

To me I think his production is ok, but what I am really looking at is this: OD and Graham don't create physical mismatches the way Gronk or Hernandez do and never will. They are the more typical old school TE, which I don't have a problem with. Fleener is going to create mismatches in the NFL.

Of the 3 WRs you mentioned obviously we're not going to have a shot at the first two, and Wright is a Desean Jackson clone. I'm not saying that's a bad thing by any means, but he just doesn't have the size to be a true #1 like AJ.

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OD's # last year: 54 677 12.5 34 3

3 TDs for an elite TE?

His backup:

Joel Dressen 28 353 12.6 6

Half the yards and catches...but double the TD production?


Coby Fleener 34 667 19.6 10

A little over half the catches, but a whopping 20 yards per catch, I'd say that's big play ability. Not to mention even with that low reception count he had the EXACT amount of yards and still eclipsed BOTH our top two TEs in TD production.

For giggles Jacoby Jones our #3

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How is Fleener any more a luxury pick than Perry?
We absolutely need more big time pass rushing linebackers. We dont need more pass catching tight ends. But if you have to have one then take one in the 3rd-4th rounds.
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We absolutely need more big time pass rushing linebackers. We dont need more pass catching tight ends. But if you have to have one then take one in the 3rd-4th rounds.
TE - Currently we have

OD - who will be 30 years old this year, is in the second year of a 4 year 22 million dollar contract, has missed 14 games in the last 3 years, only has 5 total TD's in the last 2 years and has never averaged over 13 yards a catch in any of his 6 seasons as a pro.

Garret Graham - 1 catch in his career. Enough said!!!!!

But in your infinite wisdom we don't need anymore pass catching tight ends.


OLB - Currently we have

Connar Barwin - A young third year stud that had a career year last year with 11.5 sacks.

Brooks Reed - Another young stud that had 9.5 sacks last year.


And 2 promising young guys who have at least shown flashes of the talent it takes to become solid depth at OLB in Nading and Braman.

But again in your infinite wisdom this is where we should spend our first round pick? On a player who will seldom see the field and will probably only really contribute this year if there is an injury? We dont need to spend our first round pick on this type a player, but if you have to have one then take one in the 3rd-4th rounds. Don't waste a first round pick on one. Use that on a player that can and will have the most impact on the team. A player like Fleener that because of the mismatches he will create and his abilities, will make an instant impact.
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Owen Daniels - 62 receptions, 852 yards, 8 TDs - 3 years - Wisconsin

Coby Fleener - 96 receptions, 1543 yards, 18 Tds - 4 years - Stanford

Garrett Graham - 121 receptions, 1492 yards, 16 TDs - 3 years - Wisconsin


Maybe Garrett Graham will be the next Gronk, too.

Brilliant!!!!!!!
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Hannah is who I'd target over Fleener. Will be cheaper, and quite possibly better.
6th rounders often don't make roster so you're willing to give up the chance to strengthen your passing options? WHo is your WR choice?
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Hannah was a nobody before the combine. Definition of a workout warrior, and this is coming from an OU fan. 381 yards and 2 TDs on the season, only 52 catches for his career. He can block ok, but hardly a WOW blocker.
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Hannah was a nobody before the combine. Definition of a workout warrior, and this is coming from an OU fan. 381 yards and 2 TDs on the season, only 52 catches for his career. He can block ok, but hardly a WOW blocker.
I agree! If we are going to take a late round TE there are better ones to choose from.
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6th rounders often don't make roster so you're willing to give up the chance to strengthen your passing options? WHo is your WR choice?
I think there are better options to strengthen the passing game than fleener in the first.

And honestly, the passing game hasn't been bad. I don't think it's been great, but it's been very good when schaub has been at qb.

I'd rather trade down or draft worthy over fleener and grab receiving help in the second and/or later.
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Hannah was a nobody before the combine. Definition of a workout warrior, and this is coming from an OU fan. 381 yards and 2 TDs on the season, only 52 catches for his career. He can block ok, but hardly a WOW blocker.
Lots of players boost their stock due to the combine.

Kind of weird to talk about his lack of production and at the same time pimp fleener.


I think if Hannah was in that system with luck throwing him passes he'd have been more productive.

The NFL is full of good te's. Almost every team has one. Sorry, but I don't see the value of us taking fleener in the first.

I think there are other options for TE that can be just as productive in our system.
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Final Texan Group Mock Draft of 2012

Here is our annual final version 2012 Texan Mock Draft, compliments of Badboy, rmartin65 & beerlover. No big reaches early, solid middle with low risk high reward prospects late. This was a group effort with multiple edited versions, starting with #26 & finishing with a total redo proposal trashed. Need really drove this draft, from giving Schaub protection, more targets in passing game, along with depth behind him & Yates. Wade Phillips didn't come away empty handed either, addressing OLB to provide depth/rotation & interior NT to develop. Even pushed a kicker for Joe Marciano to break in.

FIRST ROUND, #26: Coby Fleener TE Stanford. 6’6” 247, arm length 33 3/8”, hand size 10”
We have all identified that a huge need for the Texans is a second option in the passing game, and Fleener fits the bill nicely. While he is not a WR, Coby should provide match-up problems (size and strength vs DBs, speed vs LBs) that no WR in the draft can. Fleener possesses excellent body control and soft hands, both of which are musts in today’s NFL. We are not expecting him to be the next Gronkowski, but we do think he has the potential to be a premier receiving TE sooner rather than later. Fleener has steadily improved during his time at Stanford and turned into a technical, effective route runner who is able to separate at the top of routes. He would fast become Schaub’s #2 receiving option in double set TE formation Kubiak favors. Coby will go up for the ball in traffic, people will discover he is more physical than expected & willing blocker that will improve in time just like he showcased steady improvement while @ Stanford. He is a smooth athlete who looks natural running deep down the field, even at his height something Texans need & covet along with 2nd rounder Brian Quick this not only stretches the field it creates multiple match-up problems for defensive coordinators & Arian Foster should continue his ground assault without teams crowding the box.

SECOND ROUND, #58: Brian Quick, WR Appalachian State. 6’4” 220, 34 ¼” arm length, hand size 9 ¾”
Former Basketball player & High Jumper Quick passes the eye test looking the part of a NFL 1st rd. WR. If not for his late start (played only one year of High School Football) he would have been heavily recruited by a bigger school other than a NCAA Division I FCS level school, but then probably doesn’t make it to 58th overall selection after developing four years into a 1st team All American. 71 receptions, 1096 yards & 11 TD’s his senior year. Quick has also proven to be durable with no recent nagging injuries to speak of, no ACL tears or hamstring issues, you have to go back 2007, his second year playing football, that he redshirted because of back pain, but not before helping Mountaineers upset Michigan in that memorable upset when young Brian used his length & vertical jump to block what would have been a game winning field goal for that devastated Wolverine team. Check off the Texan requirements in both size & speed departments, ran in low 4.5’s w/outstanding length, over 80” wingspan. Clean on/off field. Willing blocker, special teams standout & does not have diva attitude, someone for Andre to help groom to reach his potential.

THIRD ROUND, #76: Ronnell Lewis DE/OLB Oklahoma. 6'2" 253, 32 ½” arm length, hand size 9 ¼”
Early-entry Junior nicknamed "The Hammer" by teammates. Although he only played in 10 games, stats good: 59 T with 13 TFL (5.5 sacks) 5 passes batted down with a forced fumble and 1 INT. Solid Combine benched 36, ran 7.09 short shuttle which showcased his natural strength & change of direction speed, leading us to believe talent is there to stand-up & fit in Wade Phillips 3-4. He plays physically with violence & aggressive hand use. *Note he outplayed Seminole OT’s Datko and Sanders late in season. Sharp footwork, fluid quickness & keeps eyes up locating ball fast & have smooth change of direction. Teams impressed with his interviews during the combine & how he explained how his grades kept him from bowl game. He possess a strong will with high motor, similar to Brooks Reed & Connor Barwin which leads one to believe he cannot be held in check a whole game & will get to the QB.

FOURTH ROUND, #99: Phillip Blake C/OG Baylor. 6'2" 311, arm length 33" hand size 9 3/4"
Senior, three year starter, already played in a pro-style offense with RG3. Needs an NFL conditioning program to keep weight but change some flab to muscle. Regardless, he is a man. Combine bench was 22 which belies his strength. Did well against much heavier Ta'Amu (DT) & brains will allow him to back up Myers calling the Oline and should contest for RG if not start. He has low center of gravity with strong anchor that allows him to maintain position against big DTs. Hand placement could be better but few got by him. Texans' QBs ability to take snap from center rather than shotgun like RG# will benefit this man mountain as will the ZBS. Some mention his age but not an issue as he should last 5-6+ years. Oh BTW? Myers just signed long term deal & he turns 31 Sept 15th. Top Offensive line performer @ Combine in both vertical (29.5”) & long jump (105”).

FOURTH ROUND, #121: Levy Adcock, OT/OG Oklahoma State. 6’5” 322, 33” arm length, hand size 9 ½”
Snubbed by the combine, despite selected to Big 12 First Team & not allowing a single sack all year playing LT in the Cowboys high profile passing offense. Adcock is your classic late bloomer, who added 30 pounds his senior year as his frame filled out. Levy is more athletic than given credit for & can line up multiple positions (LT/RT or LG/RG) adding plus value to his draft stock. Plays with attitude, confidence & brings his lunch pail to work every day. In the mold of a more talented, diverse prospect than recently departed Mike Brisel. While far from a finished product Levy possess natural knee bend, technique, size & experience to start in a pinch if needed. Impressed scouts at OSU Pro-Day running a fluid 5.18 forty, benched 26 times, with 27 ½” vertical. Along with Center /OG Phillip Blake early in 4th Texans can rebuild interior of their OL vacated by Brisel/Winston, back-up for Myers & replacement swing tackle for Butler.
FIFTH ROUND, #161: Ryan Lindley, QB San Diego State. 6’3 3/4” 229, 32 ¼” arm length, hand size 10 1/8”
Looking at the Texans roster, there are only 2 QBs listed- Schaub and Yates. Matt is coming off a serious injury, and will be a highly paid free agent after this coming season, while we all like Yates, it is simply not prudent to put all of our eggs in one basket. Therefore, we have decided to draft Ryan Lindley at this spot in the draft. Lindley boasts excellent size for the position, and is quite adept at throwing on the move, but is even better in the pocket. A 4 year starter, Lindley exhibits great maturity. So why does he fall this far? The answer is simple- competition and accuracy. Playing in the MWC is obviously not the same as playing in the SEC, and as for accuracy, Lindley needs some work. The ability is there, but he is just not consistent. All in all, he should be a great 3rd QB this season, with the potential to be a starting QB down the line. Texans need to use Kubiak’s feel & developmental abilities @ the QB position, someday instead of just letting coveted free agents walk, where they have depth these young, developed QB’s have great trading value down the road if they so choose.

SIXTH ROUND, #195: Randy Bullock, Kicker Texas A&M. 5’10” 205, 100 PAT% 2009-10
Bullock won the Lou Groza Award as College Football’s top kicker in 2011. 29 of 33 Field Goal attempts made, increasing FG 87.9% from 76.2% in 2010 while increasing length. His trend line is a positive one, that is important to a kicker’s confidence & proving track record based on sound fundamentals moving forward to the NFL. His range is currently already in the 50 yard territory with a 52 yard FG this past season setting a new personal best . With strengthening & more technical work he can be expected to extend his range into the mid to high 50 yard range on a consistent basis. Scouts came away impressed with his leg strength both at the Combine & Pro-Day. http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...xas-am-kicker/ Randy already looks the part of a NFL kicker, both quality of character, work ethic & maturity. We feel it’s time special teams coach grooms a young 10-15 year starter to become the Texans long term answer & closer.

SEVENTH ROUND, #233: Ishmaa’ily Kitchen, NT Kent State. 6’3” 334, 35 reps 31” vertical
Our last pick is going towards a developmental player that flashed brilliance at the college level, but needs to be coached up to his talents. Yes, the Texans are now using a system where the NT is a penetrator, and that is not really Kitchen’s game. However, Wade has proven over the years to design his scheme around his talent. And we believe Kitchen has talent, it is just a matter of uncovering it. Kitchen’s biggest strength is, well, his strength. He is a bear to move inside, and consistently occupies 2 blockers, effectively neutralizing the run game. There was a very noticeable difference when Kitchen missed a couple games due to a dislocated elbow, and when he was in the game. Even if he never pans out to be a starting caliber player (it is a 7th rounder, after all), he should still be a useful player in short-yardage situations. [/quote][/quote]



Well done Guys, great mock.

double dipping on offence in the first 2 rounds would be impressive. it would add a whole different dimension to our offence and if it fell this way i would be pretty happy.

Fleener is one of the 3 or 4 players i would be very happy with if we took in the first. He gives our offence are real playmaking ability. And I'm not to concerned about his blocking. It isn't great but for a receiver first TE is pretty good.

Quick has been rising up boards fast and if he could be had in the 2nd that would be fantastic. There are a lot of WR in the 1-2 range so someone has to fall.

Lewis is an intriguing prospect that i think can offer a lot for any NFL team. He looks like he could be a real stud.

Only concern is the double pick on the O-line. Obviously you guys went for BPA which i completely agree with but i would like to see maybe a CB or NT to replace one of them.

have no idea about the 7th rounder.

Overall a very nice mock that offers real x-factor and playmaking ability to the team!

would have liked to analysis this earlier but i have had a little on my plate recently.
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FIFTH ROUND, #161: Ryan Lindley, QB San Diego State. 6’3 3/4” 229, 32 ¼” arm length, hand size 10 1/8”
Looking at the Texans roster, there are only 2 QBs listed- Schaub and Yates. Matt is coming off a serious injury, and will be a highly paid free agent after this coming season, while we all like Yates, it is simply not prudent to put all of our eggs in one basket. Therefore, we have decided to draft Ryan Lindley at this spot in the draft. Lindley boasts excellent size for the position, and is quite adept at throwing on the move, but is even better in the pocket. A 4 year starter, Lindley exhibits great maturity. So why does he fall this far? The answer is simple- competition and accuracy. Playing in the MWC is obviously not the same as playing in the SEC, and as for accuracy, Lindley needs some work. The ability is there, but he is just not consistent. All in all, he should be a great 3rd QB this season, with the potential to be a starting QB down the line. Texans need to use Kubiak’s feel & developmental abilities @ the QB position, someday instead of just letting coveted free agents walk, where they have depth these young, developed QB’s have great trading value down the road if they so choose.

SIXTH ROUND, #195: Randy Bullock, Kicker Texas A&M. 5’10” 205, 100 PAT% 2009-10
Bullock won the Lou Groza Award as College Football’s top kicker in 2011. 29 of 33 Field Goal attempts made, increasing FG 87.9% from 76.2% in 2010 while increasing length. His trend line is a positive one, that is important to a kicker’s confidence & proving track record based on sound fundamentals moving forward to the NFL. His range is currently already in the 50 yard territory with a 52 yard FG this past season setting a new personal best . With strengthening & more technical work he can be expected to extend his range into the mid to high 50 yard range on a consistent basis. Scouts came away impressed with his leg strength both at the Combine & Pro-Day. http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...xas-am-kicker/ Randy already looks the part of a NFL kicker, both quality of character, work ethic & maturity. We feel it’s time special teams coach grooms a young 10-15 year starter to become the Texans long term answer & closer.

SEVENTH ROUND, #233: Ishmaa’ily Kitchen, NT Kent State. 6’3” 334, 35 reps 31” vertical
Our last pick is going towards a developmental player that flashed brilliance at the college level, but needs to be coached up to his talents. Yes, the Texans are now using a system where the NT is a penetrator, and that is not really Kitchen’s game. However, Wade has proven over the years to design his scheme around his talent. And we believe Kitchen has talent, it is just a matter of uncovering it. Kitchen’s biggest strength is, well, his strength. He is a bear to move inside, and consistently occupies 2 blockers, effectively neutralizing the run game. There was a very noticeable difference when Kitchen missed a couple games due to a dislocated elbow, and when he was in the game. Even if he never pans out to be a starting caliber player (it is a 7th rounder, after all), he should still be a useful player in short-yardage situations.
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Well done Guys, great mock.

double dipping on offence in the first 2 rounds would be impressive. it would add a whole different dimension to our offence and if it fell this way i would be pretty happy.

Fleener is one of the 3 or 4 players i would be very happy with if we took in the first. He gives our offence are real playmaking ability. And I'm not to concerned about his blocking. It isn't great but for a receiver first TE is pretty good.

Quick has been rising up boards fast and if he could be had in the 2nd that would be fantastic. There are a lot of WR in the 1-2 range so someone has to fall.

Lewis is an intriguing prospect that i think can offer a lot for any NFL team. He looks like he could be a real stud.

Only concern is the double pick on the O-line. Obviously you guys went for BPA which i completely agree with but i would like to see maybe a CB or NT to replace one of them.

have no idea about the 7th rounder.

Overall a very nice mock that offers real x-factor and playmaking ability to the team!

would have liked to analysis this earlier but i have had a little on my plate recently.[/quote]

much appreciated mate

I see in several recent mocks OG in 2nd is becoming increasingly poplular among Texan fans & for good reason. We lost two starters. Texans want you to believe Butler who was hurt all last season & Caldwell a back-up since drafted are ready to go. I certainly hope so, but who backs them up with comparable quality reps, Schaub, Foster & offense need to take the next step in playoffs? Can't afford free agents, at least quality starting ones, so answer has to be the draft, hence the double hit. This way the projected starters can prepare as expected for the upcoming season & rookies have some quality foundation work & developmental time learning before being thrown into the fire.

You have no idea about a 7th rounder but then who does? you did mention that you like to address NT position so here you go. Really similar prospect to Dontari Poe in build, strength & agility for a big man. I'll say this we would rather take a shot on a guy with potential flyer in the 7th rd. than take that gamble on a guy in the 1st round.

I agree with the CB thing. Believe me we discussed one every round, what kept it from happening this year was the promising talent already stocked on Texan roster combined with it being a down year for position as a group. Doesn't mean they're not going to be some diamonds shine later but most likely they will be scooped up early, or just don't fit the Texan character/size profile. As a group we found them somewhat sketchy & would be forced to make a selection based more on need than value. If a guy like Josh Norman falls into the 4th rd. however I would be very tempted as I'm sure my draft partners would to add a CB.......
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TE - Currently we have

OD - who will be 30 years old this year, is in the second year of a 4 year 22 million dollar contract, has missed 14 games in the last 3 years, only has 5 total TD's in the last 2 years and has never averaged over 13 yards a catch in any of his 6 seasons as a pro.

Garret Graham - 1 catch in his career. Enough said!!!!!

But in your infinite wisdom we don't need anymore pass catching tight ends.


OLB - Currently we have

Connar Barwin - A young third year stud that had a career year last year with 11.5 sacks.

Brooks Reed - Another young stud that had 9.5 sacks last year.


And 2 promising young guys who have at least shown flashes of the talent it takes to become solid depth at OLB in Nading and Braman.

But again in your infinite wisdom this is where we should spend our first round pick? On a player who will seldom see the field and will probably only really contribute this year if there is an injury? We dont need to spend our first round pick on this type a player, but if you have to have one then take one in the 3rd-4th rounds. Don't waste a first round pick on one. Use that on a player that can and will have the most impact on the team. A player like Fleener that because of the mismatches he will create and his abilities, will make an instant impact.
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I think there are better options to strengthen the passing game than fleener in the first. And honestly, the passing game hasn't been bad. I don't think it's been great, but it's been very good when schaub has been at qb.

I'd rather trade down or draft worthy over fleener and grab receiving help in the second and/or later.
Come on Rey! lol Who is the better passing option in first? Passing game with or without Matt needs a major upgrade, even the "wise" ESPN & John McClain thinks so.

Trade? Ok, who and what? We have committed to our guys, tell us yours.
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I think there are better options to strengthen the passing game than fleener in the first. And honestly, the passing game hasn't been bad. I don't think it's been great, but it's been very good when schaub has been at qb.

I'd rather trade down or draft worthy over fleener and grab receiving help in the second and/or later.
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FIFTH ROUND, #161: Ryan Lindley, QB San Diego State. 6’3 3/4” 229, 32 ¼” arm length, hand size 10 1/8”
Looking at the Texans roster, there are only 2 QBs listed- Schaub and Yates. Matt is coming off a serious injury, and will be a highly paid free agent after this coming season, while we all like Yates, it is simply not prudent to put all of our eggs in one basket. Therefore, we have decided to draft Ryan Lindley at this spot in the draft. Lindley boasts excellent size for the position, and is quite adept at throwing on the move, but is even better in the pocket. A 4 year starter, Lindley exhibits great maturity. So why does he fall this far? The answer is simple- competition and accuracy. Playing in the MWC is obviously not the same as playing in the SEC, and as for accuracy, Lindley needs some work. The ability is there, but he is just not consistent. All in all, he should be a great 3rd QB this season, with the potential to be a starting QB down the line. Texans need to use Kubiak’s feel & developmental abilities @ the QB position, someday instead of just letting coveted free agents walk, where they have depth these young, developed QB’s have great trading value down the road if they so choose.

SIXTH ROUND, #195: Randy Bullock, Kicker Texas A&M. 5’10” 205, 100 PAT% 2009-10
Bullock won the Lou Groza Award as College Football’s top kicker in 2011. 29 of 33 Field Goal attempts made, increasing FG 87.9% from 76.2% in 2010 while increasing length. His trend line is a positive one, that is important to a kicker’s confidence & proving track record based on sound fundamentals moving forward to the NFL. His range is currently already in the 50 yard territory with a 52 yard FG this past season setting a new personal best . With strengthening & more technical work he can be expected to extend his range into the mid to high 50 yard range on a consistent basis. Scouts came away impressed with his leg strength both at the Combine & Pro-Day. http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans...xas-am-kicker/ Randy already looks the part of a NFL kicker, both quality of character, work ethic & maturity. We feel it’s time special teams coach grooms a young 10-15 year starter to become the Texans long term answer & closer.

SEVENTH ROUND, #233: Ishmaa’ily Kitchen, NT Kent State. 6’3” 334, 35 reps 31” vertical
Our last pick is going towards a developmental player that flashed brilliance at the college level, but needs to be coached up to his talents. Yes, the Texans are now using a system where the NT is a penetrator, and that is not really Kitchen’s game. However, Wade has proven over the years to design his scheme around his talent. And we believe Kitchen has talent, it is just a matter of uncovering it. Kitchen’s biggest strength is, well, his strength. He is a bear to move inside, and consistently occupies 2 blockers, effectively neutralizing the run game. There was a very noticeable difference when Kitchen missed a couple games due to a dislocated elbow, and when he was in the game. Even if he never pans out to be a starting caliber player (it is a 7th rounder, after all), he should still be a useful player in short-yardage situations.
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Well done Guys, great mock.

double dipping on offence in the first 2 rounds would be impressive. it would add a whole different dimension to our offence and if it fell this way i would be pretty happy.

Fleener is one of the 3 or 4 players i would be very happy with if we took in the first. He gives our offence are real playmaking ability. And I'm not to concerned about his blocking. It isn't great but for a receiver first TE is pretty good.

Quick has been rising up boards fast and if he could be had in the 2nd that would be fantastic. There are a lot of WR in the 1-2 range so someone has to fall.

Lewis is an intriguing prospect that i think can offer a lot for any NFL team. He looks like he could be a real stud.

Only concern is the double pick on the O-line. Obviously you guys went for BPA which i completely agree with but i would like to see maybe a CB or NT to replace one of them.

have no idea about the 7th rounder.

Overall a very nice mock that offers real x-factor and playmaking ability to the team!

would have liked to analysis this earlier but i have had a little on my plate recently.[/quote]Thanks for compliments! Beerlover pretty much said it all but I'd like to add we all had favorites at each round but we also have to consider Texans' philosophy and history. For example Nose tackles: while we want bigger and stronger, this position was not a pet door allowing RBs to go through whenever. Why use a 4th on a player who basically going to sit and learn? We realize there are better candidates higher but that means disregarding the position we took instead.

Oline: we ask that readers evaluate the skills that allow our selections to play more than one position. Hopefully, Butler & Caldwell will do well on right side and Smith returns to pre-2011 form. If not, we have to have someone preparing.

Corners? One of my favorite positions! I have advocated trades, free agents and draft guys. Not sure if you were on MB when I went thru my rant after Kareem Jackson was picked. Hint--it wasn't pretty. One thing BL, 65 and I could not overlook, coaching has made improvements during the brief time it had. McCain really came to play forcing my guy Brandon Harris to remain off field. KJ did much better to the point that Allen was not brought back. As BL stated if someone drops that is obviously an improvement, we'd be happy to go there. We are interested to see how Harris and Roc Carmichael step up this season.

Anyway we do appreciate your thoughts and comments. DRAFT ON!!
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Blake, my brother, mussop and i had this exact conversation 2 weeks ago in "mussops mock". We posted a lot of the same stats and arrguments without changing anyones mind. Dont think your gonna have much luck either. The fleener arrgument is about as productive as democrats vs republicans. Some people were just to impressed with new englands offense last year.
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Hate to say it, but any CB that can help keep KJ off the field is a good thing. Afterall, Jason Allen was a below avg CB, that the coaches put on the field when the defense needed a stop instead of KJ.

That speaks volumes to me, if KJ was all of that Allen should have never seen the field. I dont expect much improvement from KJ. You cant teach KJ to have deep speed, or to be a ballhawk. He's a #2 CB on a defense like the Lions. But he should be a #3 CB on a good defense. IMHO
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