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Old 04-15-2012   #61
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Owen Daniels is definitely worth the money. He is not grownkowski, but that is not how our offense works. Owen Daniels is a great blocker, see him destroy Farrior that springs Fosters cutback td run against the steelers. Daniels had a huge 3rd down catch on the game winning drive in Cincinnati. He came up huge in plenty of 3rd downs this year but didn't put up as big of numbers because once AJ went down, OD became our primary receiving target and defense game planned to shut him down, which led to Dreesen and Foster having better receiving years.
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I knew that response was forthcoming. And I agree to a certain extent.

Still, he's supposed to be one of our better offensive weapons - probably third in line behind A.J and Foster. ...much more so than Walter or Jones have been used as key pieces of our offense.

And he disappeared in the playoffs.

If Walter's and Jones' performances (or lack thereof) warrant bringing guys in to challenge for their jobs then someone - and not some UDFA/6th-7th round pick either - should be brought in to challenge for Daniels' job also.

And then there's the loss of Dreessen who was more of a redzone threat last season than Daniels. ...unless you guys think Graham can fill that void...
I don't know if od is worth the money, but he's a really good TE. He's not special but he's really good.

As long as he's the best we got he's worth the money he's making.
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I don't know if od is worth the money, but he's a really good TE. He's not special but he's really good.

As long as he's the best we got he's worth the money he's making.
True, he's the best TE on the roster
...especially with Dreessen gone...

But in this tight salary cap climate, should he be making Tony Gonzalez money?

And to be clear, I'm certainly not saying that we should cut him. Just that his salary should be on the table for restructuring just like K.W.'s was. Trim a little of that money off so that there's more in the kitty for Connor Barwin, Duane Brown, Brian Cushing, and Schaub when the time comes.
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True, he's the best TE on the roster
...especially with Dreessen gone...

But in this tight salary cap climate, should he be making Tony Gonzalez money?

And to be clear, I'm certainly not saying that we should cut him. Just that his salary should be on the table for restructuring just like K.W.'s was. Trim a little of that money off so that there's more in the kitty for Connor Barwin, Duane Brown, Brian Cushing, and Schaub when the time comes.
How is he making Tony Gonzalez next season? From everything I can see, Gonzalez extended his contract thru the 2012 season for which he'll be receiving $6.9 Million with bonuses. For that same period, Daniels will be making $3.5 million, and if Spotrac is to be believed (which certainly isn't a given), not only is Owen not in a position to earn any bonuses, there is no pro-ration of previous money counting against the cap (meaning his cap hit is the same as his base salary).
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How is he making Tony Gonzalez next season? From everything I can see, Gonzalez extended his contract thru the 2012 season for which he'll be receiving $6.9 Million with bonuses. For that same period, Daniels will be making $3.5 million, and if Spotrac is to be believed (which certainly isn't a given), not only is Owen not in a position to earn any bonuses, there is no pro-ration of previous money counting against the cap (meaning his cap hit is the same as his base salary).
You're correct. I just compared base salaries. Didn't account for TG's bonus bucks which nearly doubles his total take.

That detail conceded, do you think O.D. should be exempt from the salary scrub that's underway to clear up salary cap space?

(for the record, Jacoby should have his salary cut by at least two thirds... and still have to earn his spot back)
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You're correct. I just compared base salaries. Didn't account for TG's bonus bucks which nearly doubles his total take.

That detail conceded, do you think O.D. should be exempt from the salary scrub that's underway to clear up salary cap space?

(for the record, Jacoby should have his salary cut by at least two thirds... and still have to earn his spot back)
The problem is that with the possible exception of Arian, OD goes into the season as the #2 receiver, and OD gets downfield in a way that is difficult to do out of the backfield. He's still the closest thing we've got to the #2 receiver everybody's worried about.

With all the discussion of the DeMeco trade, or the Winston release (and heck, even the failure to bring back Mario, Brisiel, and Patrick Allen), the thing that held true for every one of those guys was a backup that has given the coaching staff some reason to believe in them (Butler and Caldwell), or a core group of players (Cushing, Barwin and Reed) who make the loss of a starter (or two?) a little easier to deal with.

Yeah, Daniels didn't have have his best year, but it wasn't that far from what we've seen before, and while it was obviously a function of Dre's injury, he was our leading receiver by a comfortable margin over everybody but Arian.

You could ask him to take a pay cut, but if he says no, I don't think you can let him go until you've got some assurance that you can replace his productivity, and right now, beyond the hope of a full healthy season for Dre (and that's certainly not assured), I don't think you have squat you can look at in order to replace him.

Unless he has a season like the one most of us thought he was on his way to having in 2009, I could definitely see a cost cutting move with OD after this coming season - just not likely before.
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The problem is that with the possible exception of Arian, OD goes into the season as the #2 receiver, and OD gets downfield in a way that is difficult to do out of the backfield. He's still the closest thing we've got to the #2 receiver everybody's worried about.

With all the discussion of the DeMeco trade, or the Winston release (and heck, even the failure to bring back Mario, Brisiel, and Patrick Allen), the thing that held true for every one of those guys was a backup that has given the coaching staff some reason to believe in them (Butler and Caldwell), or a core group of players (Cushing, Barwin and Reed) who make the loss of a starter (or two?) a little easier to deal with.

Yeah, Daniels didn't have have his best year, but it wasn't that far from what we've seen before, and while it was obviously a function of Dre's injury, he was our leading receiver by a comfortable margin over everybody but Arian.

You could ask him to take a pay cut, but if he says no, I don't think you can let him go until you've got some assurance that you can replace his productivity, and right now, beyond the hope of a full healthy season for Dre (and that's certainly not assured), I don't think you have squat you can look at in order to replace him.

Unless he has a season like the one most of us thought he was on his way to having in 2009, I could definitely see a cost cutting move with OD after this coming season - just not likely before.
Okay. That makes sense. Let's see if he gets back to real pro bowl form.
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