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Old 04-13-2012   #121
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Ok, now I see what your definitions are.

"Not as good as last year: win the division and lose the wold card game."

This is where I think the crux of the topic is. Is it necessarily a failure to lose a wild card game? It's possible to lose the opening playoff game and still have been as good as we were last year, IMO.

What if the only reason we lost the next playoff game in 2013 was due to a bad ref call or a fluke Jacoby'ish play? Does that mean we weren't as good as we were in 2011? Or does it mean we're still at the same level and not really making the jump to Top 3 or Top 4 team status yet? To me, there's a difference there in the two.

Signing Dobbins and James is a clue that we're valuing talent as long as it's priced within our means (for purposes of keeping the tier 1 guys like Brown and Cushing) AND that the talent has on-field production. We replaced Ryans with James and it appears to be a sound football move since the guy had phenomenal years 4 years straight with Wade as d-coord.
What if what if what if.

How about the simple answer, what if they lose because they've slipped some in talent and depth because of salary cap issues? That's what has happened so far, next man up jingoism and assume a strong draft aside.

I contend the team did not lose those players because they were unneeded, but because they were deemed the most expendable to meet the cap. I assume if Kubes had his way he'd rather still have some of those players; the realities of the cap made that impossible.

Spinning these moves to show the team is more talented without them makes no sense to me. They are gone because the Texans couldn't afford them, not because they weren't important to the team.

I think I answered your original question, basically why do I bristle when people say I think the team sucks now. I've never said they sucked and are doomed. I've said they've lost talent. They have, or Kubes was a poor coach last year playing those guys when the backups are so clearly superior. Further, if he was starting these guys ahead of better players, that wouldn't bode well for his identifying better replacements in the draft or through other means.
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I can't see how people are upset about this signing. He's a two-down LB just like DeMeco was last year. Cushing is the stud who's going to be on the field all the time, we just needed another guy to come in and compete with Sharpton for the other spot.

I think most of this stems from the fact that people do not think Sharpton is of starter quality and this takes ILB off the draft agenda (as if a 3rd or 4th rounder is a better option than Sharpton somehow).
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What if what if what if?????

You're doing the same thing! LOL.

Obviously, runner, you have more knowledge than me. I'm clearly outmatched.

Your only basis is that we lost guys and that equals all this speculative stuff you repeat over and over as if it's going to happen just because we lost some guys.

Yes, let's forget we re-signed Dobbins. Yes, let's forget we signed James. Let's piss and moan about losing the All Mighty DeMeco Ryans.

Yes, let's forget Shelley Smith. Let's forget Rashard Butler. Mike Briesel and Eric Winston held our Super Bowl chances in the palm of their hands and we effed up, royally, by letting them get away.

Come on, man. Just admit that you're hell bent for leather to be proven right about your theory.

I'd rather be happy about the prospects of us continuing what we started in 2011 than finding ways to forget it and create despair....over a few guys named Winston and Briesel.

You have ZERO substantiated claims to back up your speculation. Until we suck, why the rampant campaign to convince us that we WILL suck???

It's as if juuuust because a few guys went to different teams....we are less than we were before. Amazing.

And another thing: Shelley Smith had an injury that shelved him for awhile. Butler was i.r.'d after the second week. LeStar Jean i.r.'d in preseason. Roc Carmichael too, IIRC. We've got a list of guys who were clearly capable but injured. Throw in Caldwell whom CnD states was playing with two high ankle sprains.

Furthermore, in an attempt to answer your question: Why didn't Kubiak play them over Winston and Brisiel? Well, why does he play Jacoby when Jacoby sucks so badly? Why does he continue to let JJ handle punts all game long after blowing the punt that eventually was the difference making boneheaded play in the Ravens game? Because Kubiak has loyalties. To a fault.

But his "let the seniors play and freshmen you'll get your shot in a couple of years" mindset doesn't mean the Shelley Smiths or Butlers etc. are lesser guys. He's always done this. Outside of our first rounders...very few Kubiak draft picks take over in year one OR even in year two. It's how he works.

I hope Butler and Co. kick ass and take names because I'm bookmarking this topic for discussion about week 6 or 7.
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Great. Fall back to claiming I say the Texans will suck. Keep arguing against that straw man, you certainly aren't addressing anything I've said.
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What if what if what if.

How about the simple answer, what if they lose because they've slipped some in talent and depth because of salary cap issues? That's what has happened so far, next man up jingoism and assume a strong draft aside.
Then that would suck?

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I contend the team did not lose those players because they were unneeded, but because they were deemed the most expendable to meet the cap. I assume if Kubes had his way he'd rather still have some of those players; the realities of the cap made that impossible.
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Spinning these moves to show the team is more talented without them makes no sense to me. They are gone because the Texans couldn't afford them, not because they weren't important to the team.
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I don't recall many of us "spinning" these moves and saying we're more talented now..that would be a pretty bold statement... I have seen a lot of "i think we'll be fine", however..

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Further, if he was starting these guys ahead of better players, that wouldn't bode well for his identifying better replacements in the draft or through other means.
You have to develope talent for situations just like this, with a FA signing every now and then...it's a rotating door... One player steps up, does good, asks for more money and boom, next guy's turn... It's how every good team in the NFL operates..

You don't pay 3/5 of your offensive line top 5 money each and expect to be able to pay for the best running back in the league... And next year it would make that four OLs making top 5 with Brown: not possible if you want really good players at other positions...

It's April...in January we'll know 100% whether or not Smithiak identified and developed replacements well... This isn't a failure, yet...
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This is where I think we have a very good chance of fulfulling many of our needs this year.......from the list of players that were lost to us for last season.
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I stated that the loss of four starters would make them less competitive this year. I think they will still win the weak division but will find the playoffs tougher.
I think you also have to evaluate the teams that will/should be the playoff competition. These teams were not static in the offseason, either.

The Steelers lost a starting DE, ILB, CB, and LT. Their starting RB and NT are expected to begin the season on the PUP list. Now maybe the Steelers are prepared to re-load and be just as good or better. But, that remains to be seen.

The Ravens lost their best offensive lineman (G Ben Grubbs), as well as starting DT and OLB. They will have younger players as replacements. Better than the previous starters? TBD.

Thje Patriots did pickup a solid WR in Brandon Floyd. And they picked up a few other low priced vets to compete. But, they lost their starting RB, leading pass rusher, and possibly their long time starting LT.

The Broncos lost their emotional leader in Tim Tebow and replaced him with...OK, that may be a bad example.

Basically, the Texans are in a similar situation as many of the other AFC playoff contenders. Hopeful that the moves they made will allow them to stay in contention. Do the Texans have the track record of reloading that Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and New England have? No. Which is why their moves deserve more scrutiny and pessimism. But, their issues with personnel turnover are shared with other AFC playoff teams.
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Great. Fall back to claiming I say the Texans will suck. Keep arguing against that straw man, you certainly aren't addressing anything I've said.
Oh. I thought by posting this (below) I was answering your question. Your question was something about "Why didn't backups overtake starters last year if the backups are so good?" (paraphrasing).

Here was my answer, is not good enough?

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And another thing: Shelley Smith had an injury that shelved him for awhile. Butler was i.r.'d after the second week. LeStar Jean i.r.'d in preseason. Roc Carmichael too, IIRC. We've got a list of guys who were clearly capable but injured. Throw in Caldwell whom CnD states was playing with two high ankle sprains.

Furthermore, in an attempt to answer your question: Why didn't Kubiak play them over Winston and Brisiel? Well, why does he play Jacoby when Jacoby sucks so badly? Why does he continue to let JJ handle punts all game long after blowing the punt that eventually was the difference making boneheaded play in the Ravens game? Because Kubiak has loyalties. To a fault.

But his "let the seniors play and freshmen you'll get your shot in a couple of years" mindset doesn't mean the Shelley Smiths or Butlers etc. are lesser guys. He's always done this. Outside of our first rounders...very few Kubiak draft picks take over in year one OR even in year two. It's how he works.
I'm not straw man'ing you. Taking your points to task is not straw man'ing you. It's answering with potential solutions/answers to the discussion topics.
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I think I answered your original question, basically why do I bristle when people say I think the team sucks now. I've never said they sucked and are doomed. I've said they've lost talent. They have, or Kubes was a poor coach last year playing those guys when the backups are so clearly superior. Further, if he was starting these guys ahead of better players, that wouldn't bode well for his identifying better replacements in the draft or through other means.
LOL, are you talking about the same guy who needed almost a entire season to "identify" that he had the league's best running back riding the pine behind a incompetent Steve Slaton and a broke down Ahman Green? GP is right, Kubiak is loyal to a fault and outside of high draft picks, he has a tough time trusting young players.

Umm, how exactly was Butler supposed to play ahead of Winston last season?

How was Roc Carmichael supposed to compete with Jason Allen last season?

How was Daryl Sharpton (who was already stealing playing time from DeMeco Ryans before his injury) supposed to supplant DeMeco Ryans?


The reason why people think you're being chicken little is because you act like what the Texans had to do was something unique only to them... it's not. This is what happens in the NFL. You have to plan for the future and be able to see ahead and recognize what players you'll be able to keep and which ones you'll have to part with, then you have to develop replacements behind the players you'll eventually lose... We've done that. (For instance... here's a bold prediction, I think this upcoming season will be Owen Daniels last season as a Texan, we're going to be pressed against the cap again next offseason and more tough cuts will have to be made.)

I'm comfortable with Bulter taking Winston's spot.

More than comfortable with Sharpton competing with James for DeMeco's position and the depth that develops from whoever loses out. DeMeco was a liability last season.. and HIGHLY overpaid in Wade's scheme, he had to go.

Caldwell replacing Brisiel is really the only thing that I'm worried about, but I expect us to draft OLineman in this upcoming draft as well as sign a few FAs.

Dreesen was more than replaceable, and saying that is not me thinking he was a bad player. This is just a TE friendly system and I think Garrett Graham will more than fill that role.


Where these losses really hit us are not in the starting positions, it was in our depth and backups.. That's the area that we need to address (and signing Bradie James is a great start) in the draft and during the rest of the offseason.
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I don't want to put words in Runner's mouth, but I think what he's getting at is we've lost known talented starters on this team: Winston, Brisiel, Ryans, and Williams. Though I tend to agree with his view on Mario, I just don't think the team really got what it envisioned when they drafted him with the physical measurements.

The guys we have replacing those guys, James now aside, we don't have much to go on.

This really is a watershed year for Gary and Rick far as finally getting to the top of the division, losing some good talent, and having the players behind them to keep the momentum going.

This is where we see if Gary and the staff HE assembled can coach up players and have a system in place to maximize their abilities.
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I don't want to put words in Runner's mouth, but I think what he's getting at is we've lost known talented starters on this team: Winston, Brisiel, Ryans, and Williams. Though I tend to agree with his view on Mario, I just don't think the team really got what it envisioned when they drafted him with the physical measurements.

The guys we have replacing those guys, James now aside, we don't have much to go on.

This really is a watershed year for Gary and Rick far as finally getting to the top of the division, losing some good talent, and having the players behind them to keep the momentum going.

This is where we see if Gary and the staff HE assembled can coach up players and have a system in place to maximize their abilities.
Doesn't Kubiak get credit for not cutting Foster though?
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I think the biggest asset of the James signing is his leadership qualities and locker room presence. Supposedly he was the "Demeco" of the Dallas defense in the way he was able to rally the troops and get them amped up.

The loss of Demeco's presence was/will be missed but maybe a veteran like James can make the transition easier until a younger guy can step up and take on that role.

Im sure he was signed to a minimum deal so I definately like the signing.
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Doesn't Kubiak get credit for not cutting Foster though?
I am not quite sure I understand the question or the logic behind it.

Foster was signed to a two year deal as a UDFA, meaning we pursued Foster pretty heavily considering most teams offered one year deals. We also had a really weak backfield at the time too, and that also likely played a factor into Foster opting to come here as well. Prior to his senior season he also had a second round draft grade.

If he "gets credit for not cutting him" does he "get blame for waiting so long to get him into the lineup regularly?"
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I am not quite sure I understand the question or the logic behind it.

Foster was signed to a two year deal as a UDFA, meaning we pursued Foster pretty heavily considering most teams offered one year deals. We also had a really weak backfield at the time too, and that also likely played a factor into Foster opting to come here as well. Prior to his senior season he also had a second round draft grade.

If he "gets credit for not cutting him" does he "get blame for waiting so long to get him into the lineup regularly?"
I don't get it.

Foster himself has stated that he wasn't ready. He came into camp with a bad mind-set because he hadn't been drafted. He did not do the things in camp that he should have and he wasn't ready to be on the field. Then when he got cut and PSd, he gave up.

It wasn't until he was watching a MNF game and the announcer mentioned that one of the guys playing had been called up from the practice squad that Foster realized that he wasn't done for the year. That's when he turned it around and started busting his ass.

There's no way Kubiak should have just given Foster a spot on the team if he wasn't ready to play. And he wasn't.

So we're blaming Kubiak for not playing a guy who wasn't ready to play? And we're not giving any credit to Kubiak for sticking with a kid with an attitude problem and working him through it and helping him turn into the gem we have today?

Lots of teams would have just kicked him to the curb and been done with it.
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I don't get it.

Foster himself has stated that he wasn't ready. He came into camp with a bad mind-set because he hadn't been drafted. He did not do the things in camp that he should have and he wasn't ready to be on the field. Then when he got cut and PSd, he gave up.

It wasn't until he was watching a MNF game and the announcer mentioned that one of the guys playing had been called up from the practice squad that Foster realized that he wasn't done for the year. That's when he turned it around and started busting his ass.

There's no way Kubiak should have just given Foster a spot on the team if he wasn't ready to play. And he wasn't.

So we're blaming Kubiak for not playing a guy who wasn't ready to play? And we're not giving any credit to Kubiak for sticking with a kid with an attitude problem and working him through it and helping him turn into the gem we have today?

Lots of teams would have just kicked him to the curb and been done with it.
What year was this? I recall him having an injury during his first year that kept him from playing or being called up from p-squad. I think that had more to do with him not getting a chance for some time than motivation or preparation.
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What year was this? I recall him having an injury during his first year that kept him from playing or being called up from p-squad. I think that had more to do with him not getting a chance for some time than motivation or preparation.
It was a domino effect.

The injury was prior to the Combine. He tweaked his hamstring during his senior year and he wasn't totally healed by the Combine. People advised him not to run but he felt he had to do it. That's why he ran such a slow time and one of the big reasons why he fell off so many draft boards. Cause that man is not slow on game day.

From what he said, he was still kinda sulking about that in training camp and that's what led to the lack of motivation. The hamstring might have still been bothering him in TC, too. But I don't recall that being mentioned. I tried looking on NFL.com but they don't have the stats from the 2009 pre-season.

The guy who got injured bad that year was Jeremiah Johnson. He looked like he was going to be a great fit in the team, iirc, in preseason and then got injured and that was it. We had been psyched to get both Foster and Johnson after the draft (after being so pissed off that they didn't draft a RB) and then both guys looked pretty good in the preseason but neither one made the 53-man roster.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.
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It was a domino effect.

The injury was prior to the Combine. He tweaked his hamstring during his senior year and he wasn't totally healed by the Combine. People advised him not to run but he felt he had to do it. That's why he ran such a slow time and one of the big reasons why he fell off so many draft boards. Cause that man is not slow on game day.

From what he said, he was still kinda sulking about that in training camp and that's what led to the lack of motivation. The hamstring might have still been bothering him in TC, too. But I don't recall that being mentioned. I tried looking on NFL.com but they don't have the stats from the 2009 pre-season.

The guy who got injured bad that year was Jeremiah Johnson. He looked like he was going to be a great fit in the team, iirc, in preseason and then got injured and that was it. We had been psyched to get both Foster and Johnson after the draft (after being so pissed off that they didn't draft a RB) and then both guys looked pretty good in the preseason but neither one made the 53-man roster.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.
I think Foster was called up from the PS toward the end of the 2009 season. I remember a late-season game, at home, where he had several quality rushes and ended with decent yardage. It was a glimpse of what happened next year in 2010 when Foster blew up huge.

Then, people thought maybe he was a 1-year wonder...but he came back in 2011 for his second "full" season and proved he was legitimate.

2009 was a rough year. The run game was awful. The year prior, 2008 was Steve Slaton's rookie year and was his ONLY good year. All of 2009, though, Slaton's sophomore year with us, he was atrocious. The run game was bad. So at the end of the year, I think Steve had suffered an injury and they called up Foster toward the end of the year and that's the beginning of Arian Foster. 2010 was the year I think Slaton was largely absent due to neck issues. Then in 2011 he was special teams and maybe a 3rd down guy a minimal amount of time.

I think that's right. I have doubts about my recollection of Slaton's 2010 season. But am thinking Foster was THE main RB in 2010 and Slaton was largely absent most of that 2010 season. Wait, I think Slaton started as the main RB in 2010 but then Foster took over rather quickly. Aw hell, I cannot remember.
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Looking at their carries for the respective years and trying to recall things i think it played out like this:

Foster played pretty well in the last 2 games of 2009 & he wound up starting the last game that year against NE and had an awesome game; something like 120 yds & 2 TDs. This was made possible b/c Slaton finally had succumbed to that pinched nerve he had in his neck pretty much all of that year & kubes finally sat him for the rest of the season. This prompted the FO to draft Tate in the 2nd round in 2010 to compete with Slaton and Foster for the starting job....Ward would come aboard later after Tate broke his leg that preseason. Foster won the job outright of course.

In 2010, Foster blows up against Indy establishing himself as the man, Slaton wound up getting hurt again later that season, this time i think it was a shoulder or something like that, but some on here speculated that he was still unhealthly from that pinched nerve in his neck. I remember it pretty well b/c folks on here talking about his vision being terrible that year. However, the biggest reason he wound up the 3rd guy in the rotation that year was b/c he had a bad case of fumbleitis.....& we all know how much kubes hates that. How can anyone forget that. Also, Ward had shown he still had a little left in the tank (KC & OAK games).

by the time 2011 rolled around Tate was healthy, Ward still had a role & Slaton was the odd man out. Still, the FO gave him 1 last shot to be a contributor to the team by putting him on KO returns & he sucked big time.
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OK.

2008 -- Great rookie season for Slaton. But we all knew we needed another RB to pair him with.

2009 -- No RB's drafted but Foster & Jeremiah Johnson come in as UDFAs and we get the infamous Chris Brown from the Titans as our #2. Slaton goes to hell, fumbling all over the place. At the end of the season, Foster comes off the PS and has three GREAT games.

2010 -- Not sure what we have with Slaton or Foster, we draft Tate who immediately goes on IR. They try Slaton returning kicks and it's a disaster (Remember when he stepped out at the 2 on a kickoff?) Foster grows into the beast.

2011 -- Foster has hamstring injuries again. Tate blossoms in his first chance to play. Slaton is let go after 3 or 4 games and is picked up by the Dolphins. The Foster/Tate duo becomes one of the best tandems in the league.

2012 -- Championship.
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Apparently Reggie Herring feels pretty good about the signing
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"I don't mind throwing it on the table, we're pretty pleased with picking Bradie (James) up, because we feel like we gained back what we lost with DeMeco leaving, and then some to be honest with you," Texans linebackers Reggie Herring coach said Tuesday.
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Please note that the article goes on to say the a Texans PR staffer ended the interview after the comment was made.
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