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Old 04-13-2012   #21
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ATL gave up too much for Jones imo but no way will Torey SMith have same career as Julio. Let's give both another two years.
I don't know. Torrey smith looked real good a last year. But, you are right, we need to give them both a couple of years rather than jump to conclusions.
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All right! Uh wait who we gonna throw the ball to? No AJ, OD and Walter will be triple teamed as no one else can catch. We will be a running team for sure but then we will not need a passing QB so I guess 3 will be the Running Man.
All three QB's are mobile. They will run five yards on 50% of all plays, forcing the safety to come up and leave a guy open. With three QB's, we can sustain the injuries.
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In this scenario I'd stay put and take Nick Perry at #26. Blackmon is the best receiver this year but he's not Julio Jones, who I think is a much better WR, and not worth giving up all those picks.
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The Texans have to figure out Schaub's health before they start making moves like this.

I would like Rick/Gary to consider trading ug to 15 if an impact player like DeCastro or Floyd falls.
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But atl gave up way too much. Torey smith was just as good and could have been had at atl's pick.

#6: Cleveland → Atlanta. (D) Cleveland traded this pick to Atlanta for Atlanta's first (27th overall, which later became #26), second (59th) and fourth-rounder (124th) and also Atlanta's first- and fourth-round selections in 2012.

Way too much.
Julio Jones was an ascending player who blew up the combine, he had one of the most impressive workouts I've ever seen across spectrum of tests. He was also considered top 10 talent, much like Blackmon so Atlanta moved up to secure him #6 overall. Torrey Smith was rated #38 prospect & slid a bit to #58 something I hope that Brian Quick will do for the Texans this year.

Jones was hampered by injury's & missed valueable game time off & on never quite getting rounded into form until end of the season. In the last four games Julio scored 6 TD's, 20 receptions almost 400 yards & 20 yard per catch average. Torrey Smith actually did the reverse, hit the rookie wall & began to decline towards end of season. His last four games produced only 2 TD's, 18 receptions for almost 200 yards almost half the average yards per catch & one third the red zone threat.

So before anybody calls out Atlanta, saying "they gave up too much" or that Torrey Smith is "just as good" that would be a misconception, these are valid points to consider. Jones showed his potential, I expect him to become a dominant WR in this league, his adjustment period looks over to me & Falcons will start reaping results of that draft day decision. If the Texans could trade up to 6th spot & give up similar package I wouldn't hesitate to make that call
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It really does not matter that Jones is a better player than Torrey smith, it matters if the Falcons are better with a potential superstar WR or just a solid deep threat with 3 or 4 good players across the depth chart.

If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.
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The title of the thread gave me a heart attack.
I agree.

Boo on the title.

Please make it obvious you are pulling stuff out your ass, not stating a real event.
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Sorry if the title gave anyone a heart attack. Don't kick my ass!

I simply think Blackmon is an elite player at a huge position of need for us. If you don't think we need a serious upgrade at WR after seeing AJ go down last year then I don't know what to say. Blackmon has been tearing up the NCAA for 2 years now and has very little baggage. Some say he is not as good as Dez, but I think Blackmon is better and not a retard.

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Nope. Deep draft, not worth trading up for one player, especially Blackmon, who is a lot of hype.
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I agree.

Boo on the title.

Please make it obvious you are pulling stuff out your ass, not stating a real event.
Easy there big fella. I am in the mock draft arena after all.

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Nope. Deep draft, not worth trading up for one player, especially Blackmon, who is a lot of hype.
How is he hype?

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He is average sized, not overly fast, strong or explosive. I see a solid pro receiver, and if he dropped to 26 I would take him, but I am not mortgaging the future for someone who wont be a star.
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Why I outta kick yer azz!! I thought we actually traded up. Lol.
You're not the only one! BTW, how does Blackmon stack up against Dez Bryant? IMO, Bryant seemed like a better pro prospect than Blackmon regardless of what the stats say.
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I say trade position for quantity since the Draft is such a crap-shoot and the more darts one throws at the Board the more likely to hit a bullseye.
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In this scenario I'd stay put and take Nick Perry at #26. Blackmon is the best receiver this year but he's not Julio Jones, who I think is a much better WR, and not worth giving up all those picks.
Well said bro.. I love Perry, ive been saying that all a long. all the draft gurus have been saying this and that and im thinking to myself ok all these guys have been said but we know Gary and the coaches love high motor guys and Perry definitely fits that description. hed be perfect to move outside and maybe you could move Reed to RILB instead of Sharp. As for 2nd rd, I keep hearing that Randle from LSU might fall to mid to late 2ND so there you go thats our top 2 problems with very solid players.
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Sorry if the title gave anyone a heart attack. Don't kick my ass!

I simply think Blackmon is an elite player at a huge position of need for us. If you don't think we need a serious upgrade at WR after seeing AJ go down last year then I don't know what to say. Blackmon has been tearing up the NCAA for 2 years now and has very little baggage. Some say he is not as good as Dez, but I think Blackmon is better and not a retard.

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Blackmon is definitely more intelligent than Dez but he doesn't have the same physical talent. I don't see him as an elite player though. I would take Floyd over him, but that's just me.
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If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.
Well, Atlanta made the playoffs two out of the three seasons prior to drafting Jones (including being the #1 seed in the NFC in 2010). Atlanta won zero playoff games during those three years. Last year, Atlanta made the playoffs, and again won zero playoff games.

I think winning in the playoffs on a regular basis is required in order for this trade to be deemed a success. Anything less is no improvement on the years immediately preceding the 2011 draft.
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It really does not matter that Jones is a better player than Torrey smith, it matters if the Falcons are better with a potential superstar WR or just a solid deep threat with 3 or 4 good players across the depth chart.

If the continue to win and be a playoff team with a high quality ofense, then the trade worked. If they fall off because they are weaker in other spots then no. Lots of gray area and things beyong their control the confused the issue more.
Right, but my statement is based on player projection not as much strategy. Who is to say those later round picks ever amount to anything, why not take a sure thing @ position of need?

In five years Andre Johnson will be out of the NFL while Julio or Blackmon will replace him as the premier WR's in the league.
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Blackmon is hype because he's the best WR this year. All upper 1st round picks get hyped naturally because of where they're being picked, the upper picks are the sexy thing to talk about. Every time I tune in ESPN they're always talking/hyping 1st round picks as if the 1st round were the only round of the draft. He's elite talent for this year but not for the NFL. He's not Chad Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ, Larry Fitzgerald, etc... This draft is very deep at WR but lacks elite level talent, the same can be said for the draft as a whole, deep/good at many positions but not much elite level talent.
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Blackmon is hype because he's the best WR this year. All upper 1st round picks get hyped naturally because of where they're being picked, the upper picks are the sexy thing to talk about. Every time I tune in ESPN they're always talking/hyping 1st round picks as if the 1st round were the only round of the draft. He's elite talent for this year but not for the NFL. He's not Chad Johnson, Julio Jones, AJ, Larry Fitzgerald, etc... This draft is very deep at WR but lacks elite level talent, the same can be said for the draft as a whole, deep/good at many positions but not much elite level talent.
The way you question Blackmon's skills, I'd have to ask if you've ever watched the guy. He is certainly elite level talent. He is huge, he has great balance after the catch to be able to take off down the field, and he has all of the intangibles you look for in a WR that you could expect to be elite one day or really good. The only knock you could have on him is his speed, but we've seen tons of WR's that lack top end speed. Larry Fitzgerald is one of them.
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Calvin Johnson was the highest rated WR I've ever seen. He was graded out 9.78.

Last Year AJ Green 9.65 & Julio Jones 9.62.

This year Justin Blackmon 9.69. He is considered elite.
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