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Old 04-11-2012   #61
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What round was McCoy drafted in?
Late 3rd, which was obviously too high for him. But he came from a big school and had much more national notoriety than Keenum does. I think Keenum will get drafted, I just don't think it will happen until the 5th round.
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Late 3rd, which was obviously too high for him. But he came from a big school and had much more national notoriety than Keenum does. I think Keenum will get drafted, I just don't think it will happen until the 5th round.
I think Keenum could go undrafted.
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Late 3rd, which was obviously too high for him. But he came from a big school and had much more national notoriety than Keenum does. I think Keenum will get drafted, I just don't think it will happen until the 5th round.
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Keenum and Kolb are two totally different animals.
I wouldn't say totally different. They played in similar offenses. They are both underrated as athletes. Kolb has the bigger arm. Keenum is the better decision maker. But let's be honest: If both were coming out of this draft, Kolb would go higher. Because of his size and arm advantage.
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I wouldn't say totally different. They played in similar offenses. They are both underrated as athletes. Kolb has the bigger arm. Keenum is the better decision maker. But let's be honest: If both were coming out of this draft, Kolb would go higher. Because of his size and arm advantage.
Size, yes.
Arm, I don't know.

I went back and watched all the games Kolb played in last year for the Cards and the deepest I saw him throw was 47 yards from the LOS (straight down hill shot) with the QB some 8 yards behind the LOS.

I've seen Keenum throw 50 yards a couple of time and several more in the 47 plus range.

Remember that I had noted Schaub's range is also 47 yards, while T.J. Yates is 50.
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I don't understand the knocks on Keenum's arm strength...

His arm is stronger than Schaubs...He throws a tight spiral and gets plenty of zip on his passes...
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Default Re: Film study - Case Keenum vs. S. Miss

Here's the data on draftee's ball speed:

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2012/03/12/...ine-2008-2012/

Keenum definitely has a stronger than average arm..

The Texans receivers were talking about how Yates threw the ball with more zip than Schaub.. we'll compare keenum's numbers to Yates..

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Here's the data on draftee's ball speed:

http://blogs.ourlads.com/2012/03/12/...ine-2008-2012/

Keenum definitely has a stronger than average arm..

The Texans receivers were talking about how Yates threw the ball with more zip than Schaub.. we'll compare keenum's numbers to Yates..

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I have to question the numbers that suggest Flacco has an average arm (55 mph). Flacco has one of the strongest arms in the league. It had Colt McCoy at 56 mph. Looking at both, who has the stronger arm? It's not even close.
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Default Re: Film study - Case Keenum vs. S. Miss

I find it interesting that there are plenty of bloggers and posters from other teams wanting to draft Keenum. A quick glance shows the Colts, Falcons, Chiefs, Dolphins, Bengals, Eagles, Cowboys, Redskins, etc. with grades given as a 4th rounder or later.

He was "picked" before the Gruden's QB Camp session was aired so these preferences weren't influenced by Jon G.

The main qualities listed were smart and accuracy.
There were some concerns about his arm strength at the next level (not valid as we know it).

The highest I've seen Keenum projected is in the third round by a "New Jersey born, now living in California" columnist who listed the Niners and Raiders as his favorite football teams:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ll-be-selected
He rated Keenum as the #5 QB prospect.

The Texans might decide to draft another QB, but I sure hope they take Keenum.

http://www.khou.com/sports/Keenum-on...148178625.html

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HOUSTON Former University of Houston quarterback Case Keenum took some time on Thursday morning to talk to KHOU 11 Sports reporter Matt Musil about the upcoming NFL Draft.
In the full interview, which you can see above, Keenum talks about which city he would prefer to play in. His answer was funny and one that most UH fans hope comes true.
"Its looking pretty attractive now to stay in the city of Houston maybe we can just move from Scott street over to Kirby," said Keenum.
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http://cfn.scout.com/2/1179936.html

College Football Network projects Keenum as an UDFA with these comments:

1. QB Case Keenum, Houston 6-1, 208
There arent any NFL skills to get excited about with no size, a mediocre arm, and not athleticism. However, hes the great statistical passer in NCAA history thanks to a deadly accurate arm and a smart mind that makes every right decision. There might not be a better quarterback in the draft at hitting his guys on the move, and he almost never, ever makes mistakes even though hes a fearless bomber. The mechanics are great and he gets the ball out of his hands in a hiccup, but he spent his career working in the spread and has to prove he can work under center. With a smallish body, concussion issues, and rebuilt knees hes not going to iccup, but he spent his career working in the spread and has to prove he can work under center. With a smallish body, concussion issues, and rebuilt knees hes not going to hold up hell never be a top starter, but he can work for a long time as a good backup.
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I think you copied and pasted that wrong or maybe the writer made an error.
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This is the highest I've seen Keenum rated so far (late 2nd,early third - #6 QB overall):

http://www.gridironstuds.com/blog/gr...ft-qb-ratings/

6 Case Keenum Houston Late 2 Top 3 Hard to ignore the length and depth of production

Whoa! Ryan Tannehill 12th? Russell Wilson 4th? Ryan Lindley 8th? Caught your eye didnt it?
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I think you copied and pasted that wrong or maybe the writer made an error.
I know, you think Keenum could go undrafted!
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I know, you think Keenum could go undrafted!

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Ummm...Yeah I do, but that's not what I meant.

Re-read what you pasted. There is an error in there.
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Ummm...Yeah I do, but that's not what I meant.

Re-read what you pasted. There is an error in there.
Why don't you just come out and say what you want to say instead of going round and round?
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Here's something I caught from "Inthebullseye.com"; this post was from 2009:

http://inthebullseye.com/forums/showthread.php?t=811

Last weekend I watch the UH vs. Tulane game as I have been fortunate enough to watch all but the UTEP game thi fall. The announcers were not our regular announcers and they absolutely gushed over Case Keenum. They were sure he had the quickest release since Dan Marino, his arm was a cannon, he had high accuracy and he was very cool under fire. Oh, and I believe they thought he had the 'IT' factor of very good professional quarterbacks.
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Why don't you just come out and say what you want to say instead of going round and round?

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http://cfn.scout.com/2/1179936.html

College Football Network projects Keenum as an UDFA with these comments:

1. QB Case Keenum, Houston 6-1, 208
There arent any NFL skills to get excited about with no size, a mediocre arm, and not athleticism. However, hes the great statistical passer in NCAA history thanks to a deadly accurate arm and a smart mind that makes every right decision. There might not be a better quarterback in the draft at hitting his guys on the move, and he almost never, ever makes mistakes even though hes a fearless bomber. The mechanics are great and he gets the ball out of his hands in a hiccup, but he spent his career working in the spread and has to prove he can work under center. With a smallish body, concussion issues, and rebuilt knees hes not going to iccup, but he spent his career working in the spread and has to prove he can work under center. With a smallish body, concussion issues, and rebuilt knees hes not going to hold up hell never be a top starter, but he can work for a long time as a good backup.

I thought I was being pretty clear...

The information you copied and pasted has an error in it. What is so hard to understand about that?

Do I really have to go back and highlight the exact part?
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I thought I was being pretty clear...

The information you copied and pasted has an error in it. What is so hard to understand about that?

Do I really have to go back and highlight the exact part?
You're talking about the part where they didn't know that Keenum has had experience under Center?
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You're talking about the part where they didn't know that Keenum has had experience under Center?
I didn't expect all of this...It's turned into this big crucial thing and I was just trying to point it out to you...Maybe I wasn't being clear in hindsight...

One of the sentences is cut off and it starts again. It's a typographical error, not an error with the actual information.

Hope that clears it up.
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I didn't expect all of this...It's turned into this big crucial thing and I was just trying to point it out to you...Maybe I wasn't being clear in hindsight...

One of the sentences is cut off and it starts again. It's a typographical error, not an error with the actual information.

Hope that clears it up.
Thanks, the website somehow was difficult to copy in one shot (or maybe it was just the problem that I've been having with Vista and Google Chrome on this PC lately) that led to the problem.
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