Badboy's 2012 final mock

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by beerlover

thanks, man. Yes we do seem to differ quite a bit on Martin but that's alright it would be a boring world if everyone agreed all the time

I see Mike as an undersized, quick as snot, run defender who's pesky style & hand to hand combat like wrestling skills serve him well. First he has a thick trunk, low built & close to ground build which helps him out leverage & get under blockers pads, thus winning most "in the phone booth" battles. Second, 64 tackles from interior linemen means he is pretty dang active in run support. 6 tackles for loss indicates he does get some penetration along with his 3.5 sacks Senior year, 10 sacks for his career @ Michigan. Third is his work ethic & non-stop motor which we see typifies a Wade Phillip defense.

In summary to find better & more immediate interior help it would require Texans to spend a higher pick. Which I have no problem with. But for the money & value as a third round pick ready to rotate inside as a rookie in the NFL I think he is a bargain here.

Excellent write-up.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by WolverineFan

Martin and Van Bergen are both very underrated because of how bad Michigan was during the majority of their careers. People are finally starting to see the light with Martin, but RVB is still getting no love. Someone will be very happy with him if they snag him in the 5th-6th round.

Every time I watch Michigan Vanburgan stood out more than Martin to me.

[WolverineFan]

Originally Posted by mussop

Every time I watch Michigan Vanburgan stood out more than Martin to me.

Van Bergen is no slouch, but Martin is still the superior player to me. Martin played NT last year and dealt with double teams every single play. It was his job to make sure other guys stood out. Still finished with 60+ tackles while playing the nose though.

Michigan changed to a 4-3 Under last year and RVB was playing the SDE (5' tech) which he is a perfect fit for. I think a 3-4 team will get a steal if they grab him late.

[beerlover]

Originally Posted by mussop

Every time I watch Michigan Vanburgan stood out more than Martin to me.

He should since he is a 5 tech DE, that is the point of having a solid inside presence (Martin) to tie up blockers.

[badboy]

I'd rather keep Mike Martin in 3rd and use the second for another position. Big drop off in qualit of WR from second to third rounds imo.

[VTexan]

Excellent draft. Would drop Streeter for another position as we are taking Broyles in the same round.

Let's not forget that Broyles was a heisman candidate before the injury this season and his other 3 years at OU were more than adequate. 4th round is decent value IMO. Stats below

games played - games started Receptions, yards, avg, tds
2008 13-8 46 687 14.9 6
2009 12-12 89 1,120 12.6 15
2010 14-14 131 1,622 12.4 14
2011 9-9 83 1,157 13.9 10

[badboy]

Originally Posted by VTexan

Excellent draft. Would drop Streeter for another position as we are taking Broyles in the same round.

Let's not forget that Broyles was a heisman candidate before the injury this season and his other 3 years at OU were more than adequate. 4th round is decent value IMO. Stats below

games played - games started Receptions, yards, avg, tds
2008 13-8 46 687 14.9 6
2009 12-12 89 1,120 12.6 15
2010 14-14 131 1,622 12.4 14
2011 9-9 83 1,157 13.9 10

Players for two different spots. Broyles is perfect slot & Streeter is eventual AJ replacement. McNutt replaces JJ this season & is a safe solid #2. We have to rectify WR.

[TimeKiller]

Originally Posted by beerlover

thanks, man. Yes we do seem to differ quite a bit on Martin but that's alright it would be a boring world if everyone agreed all the time

We sure do lol...I think highlight reels and combine numbers are getting to beerlover & Co.!

[rmartin65]

I live in Big 10 country, and have watched Martin a couple of times a year the last 4 years. He is the last thing from a workout warrior.

[Insideop]

Originally Posted by rmartin65

I live in Big 10 country, and have watched Martin a couple of times a year the last 4 years. He is the last thing from a workout warrior.

Maybe I'm over thinking this, but are you implying he's lazy, or that he has more to offer as a player than just his numbers from the Combine?

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Insideop

Maybe I'm over thinking this, but are you implying he's lazy, or that he has more to offer as a player than just his numbers from the Combine?

As well as I know my mock partner, I think I can speak for 65 here. It was implied that Martin was a gym rat work out guy only. RMartin65 was saying the opposite is true. Martin is a solid base very strong guy who can hold his ground and his sacks indicate he can disrupt the QB. He is also a college wrestler which helps.

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by Insideop

Maybe I'm over thinking this, but are you implying he's lazy, or that he has more to offer as a player than just his numbers from the Combine?

Originally Posted by badboy

As well as I know my mock partner, I think I can speak for 65 here. It was implied that Martin was a gym rat work out guy only. RMartin65 was saying the opposite is true. Martin is a solid base very strong guy who can hold his ground and his sacks indicate he can disrupt the QB. He is also a college wrestler which helps.

Thanks badboy.

The term workout warrior implies a player does not bring the goods on the field, and instead impresses only in shorts. Martin, while boasting impressive combine numbers, has also proven on the field that he can play.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by VTexan

Excellent draft. Would drop Streeter for another position as we are taking Broyles in the same round.

Let's not forget that Broyles was a heisman candidate before the injury this season and his other 3 years at OU were more than adequate. 4th round is decent value IMO. Stats below

games played - games started Receptions, yards, avg, tds
2008 13-8 46 687 14.9 6
2009 12-12 89 1,120 12.6 15
2010 14-14 131 1,622 12.4 14
2011 9-9 83 1,157 13.9 10

Man, Mayock crunched Streeter in yesterday's comments on ESPN. Said he can run only straight ahead and no routes. Most of his yardage was long sideline catches over defenders. Then he said he had him in the fourth round. Snicker, me too.

[TimeKiller]

Originally Posted by beerlover

thanks, man. Yes we do seem to differ quite a bit on Martin but that's alright it would be a boring world if everyone agreed all the time

I see Mike as an undersized, quick as snot, run defender who's pesky style & hand to hand combat like wrestling skills serve him well. First he has a thick trunk, low built & close to ground build which helps him out leverage & get under blockers pads, thus winning most "in the phone booth" battles. Second, 64 tackles from interior linemen means he is pretty dang active in run support. 6 tackles for loss indicates he does get some penetration along with his 3.5 sacks Senior year, 10 sacks for his career @ Michigan. Third is his work ethic & non-stop motor which we see typifies a Wade Phillip defense.

In summary to find better & more immediate interior help it would require Texans to spend a higher pick. Which I have no problem with. But for the money & value as a third round pick ready to rotate inside as a rookie in the NFL I think he is a bargain here.

I can respect that, though I would like to point out that 60+ tackles don't tell you WHERE those tackles were made. Total tackle numbers IMO are always skewed as making a tackle doesn't always imply a win for the defense. I could be wrong, I believe I looked at it a few months ago when Martin started his climb up the ranks around here, Michigan isn't a highly regarded defensive team, especially against the run. I'm going to have to check that later though, I'll see what I can find.

Originally Posted by rmartin65

I live in Big 10 country, and have watched Martin a couple of times a year the last 4 years. He is the last thing from a workout warrior.

Maybe that's too harsh but he IS completely maxed out and only at 3 bills. Personally, just me, IMO, etc. I think y'all have him overrated by a round or two. If he really was the complete package y'all have him pegged for, shouldn't he be going 2nd round at the latest?

[TimeKiller]

Originally Posted by badboy

Man, Mayock crunched Streeter in yesterday's comments on ESPN. Said he can run only straight ahead and no routes. Most of his yardage was long sideline catches over defenders. Then he said he had him in the fourth round. Snicker, me too.

Has anybody's draft stock taken more of a hit than Streeter's?

[rmartin65]

Originally Posted by TimeKiller

Maybe that's too harsh but he IS completely maxed out and only at 3 bills. Personally, just me, IMO, etc. I think y'all have him overrated by a round or two. If he really was the complete package y'all have him pegged for, shouldn't he be going 2nd round at the latest?

I think you answered your own question- Michigan's D was not great, and he is maxed out size-wise at 305 lbs. And I dont think anybody is saying the guy will be a HOFer or All-Pro, just that we think he can be an above average NT for the Texans' 3-4.

Anything more than that is gravy.

[76Texan]

Originally Posted by badboy

Man, Mayock crunched Streeter in yesterday's comments on ESPN. Said he can run only straight ahead and no routes. Most of his yardage was long sideline catches over defenders. Then he said he had him in the fourth round. Snicker, me too.

Mayock needs to put in more tapes to watch!

[Rey]

Originally Posted by badboy

Man, Mayock crunched Streeter in yesterday's comments on ESPN. Said he can run only straight ahead and no routes. Most of his yardage was long sideline catches over defenders. Then he said he had him in the fourth round. Snicker, me too.

Streeter is not Desean Jackson with the lateral agility to match the straight line speed, but Streeter can and does run other routes well besides 9's.