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Old 03-22-2012   #81
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I hope everyone reads that statement. That's from the NFL, not some blogger or former coach/player and it's not an opinion piece. It's akin to a grand jury investigation report's findings, but from NFL investigators. I would imagine most of the people supporting the Saints on this issue don't have any idea how much the entire organization tried to cover this up. I would be absolutely appalled if the Texans were found to be doing the same kind of stuff, and I don't know that I would even follow the team any more in that situation. I can tell you for damn sure I'd want the Head Coach and all the cronies involved to be sacked. Super Bowl winner or not, this is the sort of thing that does irreparable harm to the team's brand and image.

And like I said earlier, I really do hope Drew Brees sees what happened here, who he's working with and asks for a one-way trip out of NO. He's an incredible person off the field, does more charity work than anyone in the league I know of, and doesn't deserve to be brought down by a bunch of shady cheaters.
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The Saints screwed this one up, that's for sure. I'm sure the repercussions from this aren't even close to being over. As well they shouldn't be.

I feel bad for the Saints fans on this one.
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I hope everyone reads that statement. That's from the NFL, not some blogger or former coach/player and it's not an opinion piece. It's akin to a grand jury investigation report's findings, but from NFL investigators. I would imagine most of the people supporting the Saints on this issue don't have any idea how much the entire organization tried to cover this up. I would be absolutely appalled if the Texans were found to be doing the same kind of stuff, and I don't know that I would even follow the team any more in that situation. I can tell you for damn sure I'd want the Head Coach and all the cronies involved to be sacked. Super Bowl winner or not, this is the sort of thing that does irreparable harm to the team's brand and image.

And like I said earlier, I really do hope Drew Brees sees what happened here, who he's working with and asks for a one-way trip out of NO. He's an incredible person off the field, does more charity work than anyone in the league I know of, and doesn't deserve to be brought down by a bunch of shady cheaters.
yep, it's always the cover up and blatant lies that really gets people into trouble.

I do not condone the bounty system and now that I've read more about it, I find it extremely distasteful and very unsportsmanlike. I guess I did not understand the extent of it all until reading more about it.

But the dishonorable actions by the head coach and GM during the investigation is what really caused the penalties to be so severe.
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Because one of the most important things going on right now, something that definitely needs government attention, is a bounty program within the NFL.

FFS. I hate politics and politicians, and this kind of crap is exactly why. Republicans and Democrats alike.
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For the NFL to have so much detailed info about what the Saints were doing the past 3 years, indicates either they were all being recorded on tape, or the league had someone "working" for them on the inside.

Then, I find this. They are already pics on the web of his jersey being burned in the French Quarter.
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Is there any bigger ******* than Warren Sapp? Maybe Jamie Dukes. But still, what a total moron he is, hopefully he loses his job over this so we don't have to listen to him anymore.
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The Saints screwed this one up, that's for sure. I'm sure the repercussions from this aren't even close to being over. As well they shouldn't be.

I feel bad for the Saints fans on this one.
I dont , nothing more annoying than a Aints fan post Superbowl. Too bad the Czar didnt strip them of that trophy.

I said it before and I'm gonna say it again - Everyone who participated in this from the coaches to the players should be banned from the league for life.

The game of football is physical and dangerous enough without players intentionally attempting to injure others.


Have to wonder if Payton or Williams ever get another gig in the NFL after this. What owner or GM in their right mind could sign off on their hiring?

As for those players involved , you have to wonder if other players might retaliate ....


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Because one of the most important things going on right now, something that definitely needs government attention, is a bounty program within the NFL.

FFS. I hate politics and politicians, and this kind of crap is exactly why. Republicans and Democrats alike.
Yep. Have some rep.
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Have to wonder if Payton or Williams ever get another gig in the NFL after this. What owner or GM in their right mind could sign off on their hiring?
Really? I'm wondering how quickly next year Payton will be approached for a job.

He has a SB win, to owners that haven't tasted success in a while, this is a huge deal.
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Really? I'm wondering how quickly next year Payton will be approached for a job.

He has a SB win, to owners that haven't tasted success in a while, this is a huge deal.
He also knowingly and willingly violated many NFL rules which seriously cost his team both money and draft picks .... along with a heaping helping of negative press.


I wouldnt hire him.
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Then, I find this. They are already pics on the web of his jersey being burned in the French Quarter.
Dumb prison/gang talk about "snitches." NFL needs to question Sapp and discipline those trying intimidation tactics. Pretty sure that's against the law.

No "snitch" told Payton to lie & lie to NFL and ignore their rules and direct warnings. I like Sapp, but he's wrong here.
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Michael Vick. Donte Stallworth. Adam Jones. Ben Roethlisberger. Plaxico Burress.

Just a couple of names. We all know there are many more.

With the exception of Michael Vick, and possibly Ben Roethlisberger, the negative impact to the team was minimal. But my point is that there will always be an owner in the NFL that will hire someone else that they believe can bring wins to their team. Even if that person is no longer Al Davis :P

And no, I'm not trying to compare what they did (non-football related incidents) to what Payton did. I'm just saying that some owners will take risks on "tainted" personnel, if they think it'll help their club more than it will hurt it.
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He also knowingly and willingly violated many NFL rules which seriously cost his team both money and draft picks .... along with a heaping helping of negative press.


I wouldnt hire him.
I'm sure Bob McNair wouldn't hire him either, but I know there are owners that would. I imagine the Jets and Rex Ryan would love to have Payton as an OC, or any struggling team for that matter. There is always movement in the NFL, someone is bound to take a chance on Payton. Considering this bounty thing was on the defensive side of the ball, if you made him an OC, there would be little chance of an issue like this arising again.

Of course that is only if he gets fired. I seriously doubt he will be fired, but you never know.
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Dumb prison/gang talk about "snitches." NFL needs to question Sapp and discipline those trying intimidation tactics. Pretty sure that's against the law.

No "snitch" told Payton to lie & lie to NFL and ignore their rules and direct warnings. I like Sapp, but he's wrong here.
Yeah, one of the local radio hosts was babbling about "the hood" and snitching last night on his radio show. Like it is some kind of high crime to report felonies or corruption because it breaks some kind of "street code". What a friggin' chump.
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I hope everyone reads that statement. That's from the NFL, not some blogger or former coach/player and it's not an opinion piece. It's akin to a grand jury investigation report's findings, but from NFL investigators. I would imagine most of the people supporting the Saints on this issue don't have any idea how much the entire organization tried to cover this up. I would be absolutely appalled if the Texans were found to be doing the same kind of stuff, and I don't know that I would even follow the team any more in that situation. I can tell you for damn sure I'd want the Head Coach and all the cronies involved to be sacked. Super Bowl winner or not, this is the sort of thing that does irreparable harm to the team's brand and image.

And like I said earlier, I really do hope Drew Brees sees what happened here, who he's working with and asks for a one-way trip out of NO. He's an incredible person off the field, does more charity work than anyone in the league I know of, and doesn't deserve to be brought down by a bunch of shady cheaters.
Absolutely. I wonder what Brees is thinking after he's learned about the extent of everything. I wonder if he's starting to question his signing a longterm contract with the Saints now. Play out the season on the franchise tag and then be a FA next offseason.

We'll see how Schaub comes back from his lisfranc injury and performs in his contract season. I love me some Schaub but if he's not good to go I would be very very supportive of trying to get Brees here. We've been clearing cap room for next season. If we come out of it with Drew Brees and Duane Brown locked up on longterm contracts - hoooweee!!
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My creep meter pegged on Peyton and Williams. Seemed really sketchy to me. And it ends up they were not just skirting but skipping over the line. I don't think either will ever coach again in the NFL. Fisher's another one I wonder about.
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I still don't understand why anyone thinks Payton isn't going to get a job somewhere.

Tom Cable punched one of his assistant coaches, and he still has a job. Doesn't he have a history of beating women? What kind of negative publicity is that? And he exposes the club to lawsuits. Yet, he gets hired. Is he a head coach? No. Does that mean he never will be? No.

The only way Payton will never get another job in the NFL is if he is banned from the game. Winning > Negative publicity
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I still don't understand why anyone thinks Payton isn't going to get a job somewhere.

Tom Cable punched one of his assistant coaches, and he still has a job. Doesn't he have a history of beating women? What kind of negative publicity is that? And he exposes the club to lawsuits. Yet, he gets hired. Is he a head coach? No. Does that mean he never will be? No.

The only way Payton will never get another job in the NFL is if he is banned from the game. Winning > Negative publicity
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Payton will be alright after a year off. I see the Saints letting him go, he catches on as an OC for some team in 2013 and then moves up to HC. That is IF he doesn't get a HC gig right out of the gate.
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He'll get fired. No way the owner will want an entire season filled with nothing but talk about it. Yes, it will be an ongoing topic...but the way the owner moves on, even if it's only a subtle "move on," is to fire him and install a HC NOW.

By firing him and installing a new HC you can shape the discussion that will be had on the topic. You can be seen as being proactive and starting anew. There will be less "negative" analysis and more "Oh, good for them. They're moving in a NEW direction."

I cannot foresee the Saints operating in an entire football year without their HC. Talk about a shaming punishment. THAT is how you shame a team right there.

The players and the fans deserve to move on, and you do that by parting with the "things" that need to be parted with. I suspect the league leveled the punishment in anticipation that the Saints would be pressured enough by it to fire Payton and maybe even Loomis. Leveraging tactic.

It would actually shock me more if they kept Payton and Loomis and anybody else. I am sure the lawyers are drawing up all the language and protocol as we speak. They can easily justify their firings, and maybe even not have to pay them one more dime on the remainder of their contracts for the financial loss they can claim they have caused the franchise with those shady practices. Lawyers can do wonders with the "harm" angle. In this instance, I think it's justifiable and correct.
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Payton might get fired. But, not anytime soon. And not this year.

What you are failing to consider is that by Payton and Loomis proclaiming responsibility, they are removing any possible guilt from the owner. As far as Goodell knows, Benson knows nothing. Even if he actually does. Fire Payton and/or Loomis and they might be singing a different tune.
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