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Old 03-21-2012   #541
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2.) As to the last part of your post, I don't give 1 penny for what Winston said. He's a self-promoting P.R. machine first and foremost. If his pass pro was as good as his mouth, he'd still be here. They wanted him gone, and I don't care what Winston thinks or says about it. He's gone, the world keeps spinning.
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1.) My hat is off to the Texans players who kept their tweets civil and wisely measured. To those who didn't, they are a detriment to the team chemistry that everyone feels is so vital around here, and those players should be spoken to by whomever does that in the Texans offices.

2.) As to the last part of your post, I don't give 1 penny for what Winston said. He's a self-promoting P.R. machine first and foremost. If his pass pro was as good as his mouth, he'd still be here. They wanted him gone, and I don't care what Winston thinks or says about it. He's gone, the world keeps spinning.

Solomon is a vulture, too. He knew he had some run with this angle of acquiring and using the Soap Opera tweets. He even included "former players," which reeks of POOR journalistic integrity...yeah, I wonder how positive "former Texans" are going to be. The ones tweeting the loudest are going to be the ones pissed off about their own previous situation here. Anything to sell papers or clicks, though.

That's why I give not a crap about the "outrage" because it's all so shallow to me. Sad he's leaving? Fine. Use it to leverage an agenda against the team? Not cool. And that's what most are doing, they're using it as dot to connect to other dots in order to prove their agenda(s). THAT is amateur hour...deluxe.
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Players aren't happy. None of them went to Rick and offered to reduce their own salary to keep "such an important piece of the team"???

You seem like you hate the players for tweeting their thoughts. I don't have a problem with it, it's March, we are months away from OTAs and camp. They will get over it by then, and they will have a new batch of 8 rookies to work into the mix. There will be plenty of time to build up team chemistry during a normal offseason workouts and instill Cushing as the new leader of the defense.
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Draft Vontaze Burfict and let him and Cushing scare the crap out of other teams.

Ryans will definitely be missed by fans...in our short team history, he's been one of the big bright spots, but our management/ownership can't take that big of a cap hit for a guy that's a 2-down LB. Before injury, he was worth it...now it's a cap liability.
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Quick response: WOW - very interesting. THIS is something people HAVE to understand when we restructure contracts. Everybody talks about "restructure, restructure, restructure"... but they fail to realized we're going to be paying for that in the future. I understand why we did last year, b/c we NEEDED Joseph and Manning. But if we keep restructuring deals we'll be in cap hell in the future moreso than we are now.


So his "revised" cap hits (PRE-TRADE) for the following years would likely be:

2012: $8.4M ($5.9M salary + $1.5M orig. bonus + $1M restructured bonus)
2013: $9.1M ($6.6M salary + $1.5M orig. bonus + $1M restructured bonus)
2014: $9.3M ($6.8M salary + $1.5M orig. bonus + $1M restructured bonus)
2015: $7.8M ($6.8M salary + $0 orig. bonus? + $1M restructured bonus)

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2012: $8.5M ($0 salary + $4.5M orig. bonus + $4M restructured bonus)
2013: $0
2014: $0
2015: $0

The net effect will be an extra $100K this year against the cap + adding a LB as depth. But we save $26.2M against the cap over the next 3 years. If we had waited and let him play this season then just flat out release him next year, we'd have a $6M cap hit for 2013.... instead we'll have $0.

On to my thoughts: It hurts. It hurts. It hurts. Demeco is THE quintesential player you want on your team. He's a leader, high character, class act, model citizen, great teammate, hard work and great player. BUT I completely understand why we had to do this. For all the people bitching about Smith and Olsen effing up our cap situation.... this type of move (while a hard one) has to be made to keep us out of cap hell in the future. It sucks, but it's a business and this was in the best interest of the team. I truly believe that. Demeco was simply being paid more than we could afford to pay him. He's been often injured and plays limited snaps. Nobody should discount what we're going to be losing in the locker room (he was a fan and TEAM favorite)... but it's a move that had to be made.

EDIT - About the trade value. I sure wish we could have got more, but I'm fine with the value we got. The total value is probably about a late 3rd round pick. I think the Eagles got a GREAT deal but this benefits us too. So I think its a win-win for both teams. I think we can have another LB in there for better value (although much leadership is lost) and we get a draft pick that could be put to good use. Next offseason we likely would have had to cut him AND take the cap ramifications that year while trying to re-sign Schaub, Brown, Barwin, etc. I think this was a business savvy move and the Texans will be better in the long run for it.
Good post, repped. Thanks for typing out the yearly structure, it really does help others understand the nature of his deal and the savings. The only issue I have with this is that you can't really claim 26.2 million in savings because his salaries are not guaranteed in 2013-15. That's 20.2 million of that money. It's simply 6 million in real savings by not paying him salary + workout bonus for 2012.

I think the trade value was accurate on this one. He's not a proven commodity since his injury, and last year he played like a 4th round guy. He was getting better at the end of the season, but we all know that still wasn't the Ryans of old. He has a way to go, and I hope he does return to 2009 form. He will be awesome in that Philly D that couldn't stop runs up the middle at all last year. Watch for him to get a lot of tackles next year.
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#77 vs. #90 I believe (compensatory picks not added in) fairly substantial along with extra 4th #115. Losing star players like Mario & DeMeco means they are aiming higher in the first round, they have targeted a specific player most notably Luke Kuechly, BC 6-3 245. The top inside linebacker available in the 2012 draft.
I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as our resident draftnics but this is the player that immediately came to mind and he way Rick Smith moves and shakes on draft day, I can see it happening. Major upgrade in my eyes as I've heard nothing but high praise about this cat. If that's the way it comes down I can't see anything other than win-win. JMO of course.
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All of you look like children right now.


Why do you use "children" as an insult? Some of the most honest and loyal people I know are children. They call it like they see it and their better qualities are ones that most adults would be much improved if they possessed them.

So fans are shocked by the news. That surprises you because....? What is revealing is that fan reactions to unexpected developments regarding a much respected player somehow gives you a moral high ground to arrogantly call people out because their initial reactions were not of the high minded maturity that you seem to to desire.

Abe Lincoln had a quote that comes to my mind now: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

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As the Eagle fan who hangs around this place, all I can say is thank you very much.
What I think the Eagles get here is a leader for a defense that badly needed one. Plus he plays a position of need.
Could not have gotten a better man.
As the old saying goes, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. As a strong disliker of the Cowboys, I have always rooted for the other three NFC east teams by default. Seeing the Eagles improve themselves with a quality player like Ryans only serves to make me even happier to root for them when they play Dallas twice a year.

Good luck, DeMeco! Your tenure with the Texans deserves much love and respect. Kick some ass in Philly and make us proud!
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Why do you use "children" as an insult? Some of the most honest and loyal people I know are children. They call it like they see it and their better qualities are ones that most adults would be much improved if they possessed them.

So fans are shocked by the news. That surprises you because....? What is revealing is that fan reactions to unexpected developments regarding a much respected player somehow gives you a moral high ground to arrogantly call people out because their initial reactions were not of the high minded maturity that you seem to to desire.

Abe Lincoln had a quote that comes to my mind now: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."



As the old saying goes, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'. As a strong disliker of the Cowboys, I have always rooted for the other three NFC east teams by default. Seeing the Eagles improve themselves with a quality player like Ryans only serves to make me even happier to root for them when they play Dallas twice a year.

Good luck, DeMeco! Your tenure with the Texans deserves much love and respect. Kick some ass in Philly and make us proud!
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Good luck, DeMeco! Your tenure with the Texans deserves much love and respect. Kick some ass in Philly and make us proud!
^This.

Demeco has been the heart & soul of the Texans for years. Much appreciated, 59!

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I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as our resident draftnics but this is the player that immediately came to mind and he way Rick Smith moves and shakes on draft day, I can see it happening. Major upgrade in my eyes as I've heard nothing but high praise about this cat. If that's the way it comes down I can't see anything other than win-win. JMO of course.
You are right, Kuechly is a very good prospect. I just think it would be a miracle if he slipped to us because of his college production and combine. He is really really good at pass protection and it would be a shame to draft him and have him come out on passing downs. Our phone would be ringing off the hook if he was sitting there at 26. We would probably trade back a couple of spots and get really good value.
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You are right, Kuechly is a very good prospect. I just think it would be a miracle if he slipped to us because of his college production and combine. He is really really good at pass protection and it would be a shame to draft him and have him come out on passing downs. Our phone would be ringing off the hook if he was sitting there at 26. We would probably trade back a couple of spots and get really good value.
Except for you would not trade back. ILB becomes a need, Kuechly fills the need. It is a match made in heaven. Your nickel front 6 would look like-

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The Houston Texans informed me today that my contract as a Full Time Fan will not be renewed.

I am free to shop other teams for a better offer.


LOL had to share, it was on one of my friends Facebook hahaha
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I am free to shop other teams for a better offer.


LOL had to share, it was on one of my friends Facebook hahaha
its the new 2012 theme..."Next Man Out"
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Vinny, I, too, have come to love and respect Demeco. But, I believe his beast days are over. I know many are not convinced of the trend that Achilles-ruptured NFL players have taken following repair, a subject that I reviewed extensively last year. But that player's "best" year typically occurs his first season back from injury. From there, the trend is all down hill, with the strongest downturn seen in the LB position specifically. The Texans may have resigned to this. Philly is more likely to have taken on an albatross than a savior.
In the back of my mind, I thought this was the case. Now that Doc has confirmed it, I feel much better about this trade now.
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its the new 2012 theme..."Next Man Out"
Might be "Next Woman Out!"

I'm just thinking it might be better to just be a "fan" rather that a "diehard fan." First, I would have to get a gun and shoot my PC, never watch the news, bypass all the mags and newspapers, burn all my Texan stuff, never go to any Texan events, including games, and just not give a sheeeet who plays for us. Maybe there's a positive to being a "bandwaggoner!"
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In the back of my mind, I thought this was the case. Now that Doc has confirmed it, I feel much better about this trade now.
That is the best case scenario. We traded away ineffective Demeco.

Still doesn't mean I like treating our leader that way.
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That is the best case scenario. We traded away ineffective Demeco.

Still doesn't mean I like treating our leader that way.
Well, I'll still wear my Ryans jersey to games. He's a class act. Maybe he'll bring class to Philly...

...okay perhaps that's too much to ask? Probably.
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Well, I'll still wear my Ryans jersey to games. He's a class act. Maybe he'll bring class to Philly...

...okay perhaps that's too much to ask? Probably.
That's like expecting a rose to make a garbage heap smell good.
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Default Re: DeMeco Ryans traded to Philadelphia

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Originally Posted by ObsiWan View Post
In the back of my mind, I thought this was the case. Now that Doc has confirmed it, I feel much better about this trade now.
As much as I like DeMeco, that, along with the cap hit saved next year, makes this bearable.
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