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Old 03-15-2012   #161
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Who do you replace Tate with?
There are alot of FA RB's out there, and im sure a few of them fit our scheme. Thats for Gary and his staff to decide.

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/running-back/

Also the draft will produce a few zone runners in the later rounds or Undrafted Free Agents. Here are a couple.

Bernard Pierce, Temple
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Winston already visited Miami and has visits scheduled with St Louis, KC, Baltimore and Detroit. He is a hot commodity and the best OT remaining in free agency. I really can't imagine he would have no trade value even at 4.5 million a year non-guaranteed. The Browns just released OG Eric Steinbach who took 6 million off their cap. They already had some room before that, and could have easily fit Winston into their lineup. Pair him and Ben Tate together and you should be able to snag their 2nd and 3rd round picks easily or #22 and a late 4th.
You are not paying enough attention the NFL if you think this.
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Derrick Ward?
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Tim Hightower?
BenJarvus Green-Ellis?
Ryan Grant?

Cyrus Grey in the 4th!

Lots of option. They aren't better than Tate, but they can take some carries.
Wasn't being critical just want some options to think on. I like Ward but he will be 32 even if not a lot of wear.

I was reviewing Grey this morning but like Turbin better.
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Wasn't being critical just want some options to think on. I like Ward but he will be 32 even if not a lot of wear.

I was reviewing Grey this morning but like Turbin better.
I'm good to go with Turbin, too. That makes three of us who like Turbin.
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You are not paying enough attention the NFL if you think this.
I get it, trades are less common in the NFL, but it's a matter of need vs value. Look at this guy:

Jared Gaither got $9 M guaranteed, $13.5 M in the first 2 years of his deal with the Chargers. $18.5 M in first 3 yrs

A guy who played in 26 of 48 games over the last 3 years got that much, and you don't think Winston at 4.5 million a year is an attractive contract? Winston hasn't missed a start since he was given the position in 2006. The dude is worth that much for sure.
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Derrick Ward?
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Tim Hightower?
BenJarvus Green-Ellis?
Ryan Grant?

Cyrus Grey in the 4th!

Lots of option. They aren't better than Tate, but they can take some carries.
Yes. A bruiser who doesn't go backwards and has yet to fumble. A good second back IMHO.
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I get it, trades are less common in the NFL, but it's a matter of need vs value. Look at this guy:

Jared Gaither got $9 M guaranteed, $13.5 M in the first 2 years of his deal with the Chargers. $18.5 M in first 3 yrs

A guy who played in 26 of 48 games over the last 3 years got that much, and you don't think Winston at 4.5 million a year is an attractive contract? Winston hasn't missed a start since he was given the position in 2006. The dude is worth that much for sure.
I am not saying that it should not be the way you are thinking, but the NFL values (over probably) draft picks greatly. I didn't feel like looking it up, but I can't remember the last straight 1st rounder for player trade.
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I am not saying that it should not be the way you are thinking, but the NFL values (over probably) draft picks greatly. I didn't feel like looking it up, but I can't remember the last straight 1st rounder for player trade.
Carson Palmer for a 1st and more last year to go to the Raiders. Tate is highly unlikely to get a 1st though, I agree with you there.
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Ben Tate has 2 years left on his contract....
That's another reason it's difficult to get a good draft pick for a player. The Browns can draft a RB and have him under contract for 4 or 5 years.
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Winston already visited Miami and has visits scheduled with St Louis, KC, Baltimore and Detroit. He is a hot commodity and the best OT remaining in free agency. I really can't imagine he would have no trade value even at 4.5 million a year non-guaranteed.

Pair him and Ben Tate together and you should be able to snag their 2nd and 3rd round picks easily or #22 and a late 4th.
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Yes. A bruiser who doesn't go backwards and has yet to fumble. A good second back IMHO.
With our luck his first fumble would come with us and be really, REALLY important.
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The reason they lead in passes dropped was because Colt McCoy was woefully underthrowing and missing WRs.
Your sentence doesn't even make any sense. If he was missing the WRs, there'd no chance at dropping the ball.

Cleveland have other needs before they go and ruin another QB. The only linemen they have that's worth anything is Joe Thomas and maybe Alex Mack. Their best target is Ben freaking Watson... That should tell you about their WRs... Greg Little could be a decent WR but he simply drops too much. Not to mention Colt had little to no help in the run game, since Hillis and Hardesty(sp?) were hurt for some of the season and weren't very effective when they were in the games. To blame Colt for all of those drops is just ridiculous, and there's not QB worth getting in this draft unless Luck or RGIII somehow don't get drafted by the Colts or Redskins. The Browns needs to improve their offense with skill players this year and if Colt doesn't pan out, next year QB class is DEEP.



That said, I wouldn't even attempt to trade Ben Tate unless the Browns are willing to give up their 22nd pick. Ben Tate is a proven player who's going to get better, and we need a good backup for Foster, and Tate is the perfect guy for that.
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I get it, trades are less common in the NFL, but it's a matter of need vs value. Look at this guy:

Jared Gaither got $9 M guaranteed, $13.5 M in the first 2 years of his deal with the Chargers. $18.5 M in first 3 yrs
But Gaither didn't cost a draft choice and a contract. All the Chargers had to do was pay Gaither.

What is a draft pick worth in NFL money? That's a part of the equation that teams have computed but fans don't have a handle on.
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Do we have to have a back up OLB in first?
Not necessarily. But I'm thinking (and I know all this is imaginary) that if we give one of the firsts to Wade, he's gonna want to replace the first string pass rusher he just lost (to those A-holes who FIRED him no less!). I just figure Wade will want to fill out the OLB rotation. Even Uncle Bob said the other day that Wade would like to have 3 studs in that rotation.

And if Wade picks him, maybe he won't be the backup. Maybe he leap frogs Brooks.

Are you good with only Barwin, Reed, Nading, and Braman? Because that's all the OLBs we have on the roster now.
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Not necessarily. But I'm thinking (and I know all this is imaginary) that if we give one of the firsts to Wade, he's gonna want to replace the first string pass rusher he just lost (to those A-holes who FIRED him no less!). I just figure Wade will want to fill out the OLB rotation. Even Uncle Bob said the other day that Wade would like to have 3 studs in that rotation.
And if Wade picks him, maybe he won't be the backup. Maybe he leap frogs Brooks.

Are you good with only Barwin, Reed, Nading, and Braman? Because that's all the OLBs we have on the roster now.
Honest question....what's wrong with Braman? Dude showed some flashes as a rookie. I think we forget about him.
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There are alot of FA RB's out there, and im sure a few of them fit our scheme. Thats for Gary and his staff to decide.

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/running-back/

Also the draft will produce a few zone runners in the later rounds or Undrafted Free Agents. Here are a couple.

Bernard Pierce, Temple
Isaiah Pead, Cincinnati
Robert Turbin, Utah State
LaMichael James, Oregon
Yeah I like Turbin in 4th only if we lose Tate.
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Honest question....what's wrong with Braman? Dude showed some flashes as a rookie. I think we forget about him.
James Harrison was cut from the Steelers twice before he became the player we know today.

That said, there is nothing wrong with Brahman & we aren't forgetting about him. I think we need three talented pass rushers before we can say "we're set" at OLB. Brahman is a maybe.

We can't count Brahman & not address the position in the offseason & expect to do as well next year as we did in 2011.

Think of it like this. In 2009, Glover Quin was our best CB, Brice McCain was arguably our second. We ditched Dunta, drafted a first round rookie & viola.......

Right now, Brahman is a fraction of a hair better than a second day draft pick; as far as projections go.
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Honest question....what's wrong with Braman? Dude showed some flashes as a rookie. I think we forget about him.
Nothing's wrong with him but he was mainly a special teams guy. I didn't see anything that said he's ready to be a key part of the OLB rotation. Dressed out all 16 games - only 8 tackles. As a comparison, Nading saw action in 11 games and had 11 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, and one fumble recovery.

I guess I'd just like to see an upgrade.
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Nothing's wrong with him but he was mainly a special teams guy. I didn't see anything that said he's ready to be a key part of the OLB rotation. Dressed out all 16 games - only 8 tackles. As a comparison, Nading saw action in 11 games and had 11 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, and one fumble recovery.

I guess I'd just like to see an upgrade.
Braman is a great back end of the roster player with starter potential. I love the guy. ...

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