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Old 03-13-2012   #661
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NFL teams undervalue OGs and overvalue other positions. DTs and Especially NTs are getting bigger and bigger every year. We see a guy like Poe fly up the board and that makes sense. But people forget about the guy who is placed to block him is equally as important.
There is a good reason the gaurds are undervalued.

Most of the guards in the league blocking those big, strong, fast guys are not going to be taken in the first round...

Hell, most probably aren't even taken in the second or third round.

Look at what we gave up to get our Meyers and Brisel...

You can find serviceable guards. Dominant guards are great to have, but they don't make or break your offense like dominant QB's, RB's WR's ect...

I think if you have the chance to take a game breaking WR or a game breaking corner or other defensive player I'd take them. A guard would have to really be THAT much better than everyone else on the board or I'd have to have a big need for one.

I'm not saying I think it's a horrible pick at all. In fact I think it's a good one.

I'm just saying I'd have probably gone in a different direction with regards to what the Colts situation looks like.

But again, I'm not saying you did a bad job there.
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My guard can beat up your guard! haha

I like Cordy Glenn. If he is available at 26, Texans should really think about grabbing him.

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The only criticism I have of Blake is that his frame is reported and looks maxed out. Dude could double as a roly poly.
I get that. He is not exactly shredded. But, I actually think his gut helps him out because people don't expect him to be able to move as well as he does.

Here are couple of guys who don't look athletic but really are.



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There is a good reason the gaurds are undervalued.

Most of the guards in the league blocking those big, strong, fast guys are not going to be taken in the first round...

Hell, most probably aren't even taken in the second or third round.

Look at what we gave up to get our Meyers and Brisel...

You can find serviceable guards. Dominant guards are great to have, but they don't make or break your offense like dominant QB's, RB's WR's ect...

I think if you have the chance to take a game breaking WR or a game breaking corner or other defensive player I'd take them. A guard would have to really be THAT much better than everyone else on the board or I'd have to have a big need for one.

I'm not saying I think it's a horrible pick at all. In fact I think it's a good one.

I'm just saying I'd have probably gone in a different direction with regards to what the Colts situation looks like.

But again, I'm not saying you did a bad job there.
I hear you. You are right, most guards are not taken high. You can certainly get by with 4th/5th round OGS. But if you want a guy who can dominate, who can shut down the opposing DT, and be a force on the OL, typically you need to grab him early. Sure, some good ones slip, but the game changers tend not to.

Steve Hutchinson: #17, first round.
Logan Mankins: #32, first round.
Alan Faneca: #26, first round,
Ben Grubbs: #29, first round
Mike Iupati: #17, first round
Andy Levitre, #51, second round
Davin Joseph, #29, first round
Larry Allen, # 46, second round
Randall McDaniel, #19, first round
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with the 2nd pick of the 3rd round of the 2012 texans talk mock draft, the st. louis rams select..

mike martin, dt, michigan



opting to solidify the defensive line instead of reaching for a WR that they feels would fit their gameplan, the rams select one of their favorite players in the entire draft in martin from michigan. able to play in multiple looks from the 0 to 3, martin provides an upgrade over fred robbins and justin bannan. with a strong presence in the middle, this allows the underrated chris long and last years #1 robert quinn to do what they do best; get to the passer.
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Ok.

I searched my draft board.
I searched google to see if the prospective player was caught blowing coke with Irvin or hanging in bathroom stalls with Big Ben.

I don't know why he is still available.
I am confused as to why the battling for the #1 ranked TE Dwayne Allen is still on the board..

BPA screams at me. Its in my nature. Don't reach. I need LB help. I need CB help. I need OL help.

But, looking at the NE way of offense, with RG3 coming in (in this mock)

I pick..

Dwayne Allen, Clemson, TE, Meet Kyle Rudolph. Watch gametape of Hernandez and Gronk.
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Ok.

I searched my draft board.
I searched google to see if the prospective player was caught blowing coke with Irvin or hanging in bathroom stalls with Big Ben.

I don't know why he is still available.
I am confused as to why the battling for the #1 ranked TE Dwayne Allen is still on the board..

BPA screams at me. Its in my nature. Don't reach. I need LB help. I need CB help. I need OL help.

But, looking at the NE way of offense, with RG3 coming in (in this mock)

I pick..

Dwayne Allen, Clemson, TE, Meet Kyle Rudolph. Watch gametape of Hernandez and Gronk.
I see nothing wrong with grabbing talent regardless of need in the 3rd. Dwayne Allen is a good player and can make some pretty spectacular catches at times.
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^ Good pick, he was BPA on my board as well, there have been a few guys picked that weren't even on my radar so I see some good values. These last 10 picks or so have taken nearly every guy I had my eye on in hopes of them dropping to here. Now I'm just going with BPA at a need. It was a tough pick, because several positions of need have great players available, but I gotta address the captain of this ship that is the Browns. With the 68th pick in the 2012 TTalk Mock Draft, the Browns select:

Brandon Weeden QB out of Oklahoma State



Taking a page out of the Bengals playbook, the Browns go with the soulless ginger from the south. Hey, it worked out pretty well for them last year, right? Weeden lead the Cowboys to their best season in school history this past year and upset the highly touted Andrew Luck's team in the Fiesta Bowl this year. Weeden will need to adjust to taking snaps under center this year, but I'm confident he can make the switch. He will bring much needed competition and maturity to the Browns QB position.

Browns Draft so far:
1.4 Justin Blackmon WR
1.22 Mike Adams OT
2.37 Whitney Mercilus DE
3.68 Brandon Weeden QB



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[quote=Dutchrudder;1915697]^ Good pick, he was BPA on my board as well, there have been a few guys picked that weren't even on my radar so I see some good values. These last 10 picks or so have taken nearly every guy I had my eye on in hopes of them dropping to here. Now I'm just going with BPA at a need. It was a tough pick, because several positions of need have great players available, but I gotta address the captain of this ship that is the Browns. With the 68th pick in the 2012 TTalk Mock Draft, the Browns select:

Brandon Weeden QB out of Oklahoma State



Taking a page out of the Bengals playbook, the Browns go with the soulless ginger from the south. Hey, it worked out pretty well for them last year, right? Weeden lead the Cowboys to their best season in school history this past year and upset the highly touted Andrew Luck's team in the Fiesta Bowl this year. Weeden will need to adjust to taking snaps under center this year, but I'm confident he can make the switch. He will bring much needed competition and maturity to the Browns QB position.

Browns Draft so far:
1.4 Justin Blackmon WR
1.22 Mike Adams OT
2.37 Whitney Mercilus DE
3.68 Brandon Weeden QB



The Weeden to Blackmon combo is back together again, putting up huge numbers. I love Weeden, has the arm/sees field well and although he's not a runner he moves around well in the pocket. If Weeden was 23 instead of 28 he would be a top 10 pick.

Weeden needs to be able to start quickly and reuniting him with Blackmon should help make this happen. I could actually see the real draft falling this way.

Best drafts so far 1. Dutch 2. BL and for their teams needs I would call them about even.
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers select:

RT Bobby Massie, Ole Miss.




At 6"6' 316, Bobby Massie is a big, strong right tackle prospect from the SEC. He has been the starting right tackle at Ole Miss since he took over in the final 5 games of the 2009 season. He is more athletic than his size would indicate and can dominate opponents at times. The Bucs need a RT to replace or at least challenge Jeremy Youngblood. I would think that Massie could at least challenge him in his first year, but I don't expect Massie's pass blocking to be at a starter's level until 2013.

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[quote=TexansSeminole;1915733]Tampa Bay Buccaneers select:

RT Bobby Massie, Ole Miss.




At 6"6' 316, Bobby Massie is a big, strong right tackle prospect from the SEC. He has been the starting right tackle at Ole Miss since he took over in the final 5 games of the 2009 season. He is more athletic than his size would indicate and can dominate opponents at times. The Bucs need a RT to replace or at least challenge Jeremy Youngblood. I would think that Massie could at least challenge him in his first year, but I don't expect Massie's pass blocking to be at a starter's level until 2013.

Who i was going to pick, before i noticed Allen.
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Massie was top of my board..... still have a couple of players up my sleeve I would be happy with.

Not sure this draft's strengths gel with my Jets needs.
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With the 70th pick in the 2012 NFL draft the Washington Redskins select...

Tommy Streeter WR Miami



Redskins have a lot of underneath WR but no number 1 receiver.
With streeters measurable and athletic ability he has the potential to develop into that number 1 receiver. will be used to stretch the field to open up the running game.
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I got dem no 3rd round pick bluuuuuueeeesss....


Also, it's Trumaine Johnson not Trumaine Jones. Why you gotta misspell my guy's name huh?
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With the 70th pick in the 2012 NFL draft the Washington Redskins select...

Tommy Streeter WR Miami



Redskins have a lot of underneath WR but no number 1 receiver.
With streeters measurable and athletic ability he has the potential to develop into that number 1 receiver. will be used to stretch the field to open up the running game.
Damn...

I was hoping he'd fall to me and I'd have a couple of young athletic studs in Streeter and Hill....
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With the 70th pick in the 2012 NFL draft the Washington Redskins select...

Tommy Streeter WR Miami



Redskins have a lot of underneath WR but no number 1 receiver.
With streeters measurable and athletic ability he has the potential to develop into that number 1 receiver. will be used to stretch the field to open up the running game.
Excellent pick. He might take a year or 2 to mature and learn but he's got star potential. I was hoping the Texans might take him in the 3rd.
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I think we should do a 3 round re-mock post free agent frenzy. A lot of team needs are being shuffled around right now.

For example, I'm thinking now that the pick at 26 for us should be Perry, instead of Hill or Randle. Don't think there will be any 1st round RT's. But hell, also if we don't get Myers or fill that vacancy, the pick could be Konz.

Everything is still up in the air...
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I think we should do a 3 round re-mock post free agent frenzy. A lot of team needs are being shuffled around right now.

For example, I'm thinking now that the pick at 26 for us should be Perry, instead of Hill or Randle. Don't think there will be any 1st round RT's. But hell, also if we don't get Myers or fill that vacancy, the pick could be Konz.

Everything is still up in the air...
Everyone knew needs would be filled when FA started. Thats just how things go this time of year. Carry on.
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Dutch suggested a 4 rd mock after this one.
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