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Old 03-09-2012   #181
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I've thought about that as well. It sure would solidify us at WR for years to come.
IDk, kinda seems like 2 huge gambles to me. But what if you ended up with double Randy Moss?!?

Also, it wouldn't fit our offense at all. Throwing deep is a....um....not so much....
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From watching the two, Hill just seems like the stronger athlete. He seems to break more tackles and keep his feet under him.
I can dig it...

Hill is probably the overall stronger athlete even though Streeter did more reps on the BP...

Hill probably has more core strength and more lower body strength...
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IDk, kinda seems like 2 huge gambles to me. But what if you ended up with double Randy Moss?!?

Also, it wouldn't fit our offense at all. Throwing deep is a....um....not so much....
Streeter is more than a deep threat...

In fact, he is very good operating out of the slot on short and intermediate routes...He's also really good in the redzone and in short yardage...

That is the main reason I want the Texans to consider him.

His ability to take the top off the defense is an added bonus as far as I'm concerned with him.
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Streeter is more than a deep threat...

In fact, he is very good operating out of the slot on short and intermediate routes...He's also really good in the redzone and in short yardage...

That is the main reason I want the Texans to consider him.

His ability to take the top off the defense is an added bonus as far as I'm concerned with him.
Streeter got better as the season went along.
His route running was still inconsistent (that can be fixed with time - I hope).
When he's on it, the route was sharp, and he looked good in and out of the break.
As he became starter, he saw more playing time, and ran more vertical routes.
He looks like a natural hand catcher (but he did drop an easy pass that I can remember).
His length is obviously his strength; he just needs to continue to work on being more aggressive attacking the ball.

Both are quick for their size, but Hill seems to be a little more fluid and "elusive".
On a few occasions, Streeter demonstrated the ability to absorb a hit while still hold on to the ball.

Streeter looks like a second rounder, but with his upside, he just might sneak into the first round (???)

Both of these guys have the potential to become a number 1.
I'm not sure about Randle or Wright.
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I didn't watch him at the combine.
What kind of bad attitude & body language that he gave off?
Deer in the headlights, dropped almost everything, body language --- something I feel/see, not measurable/quantifiable.

OT: Lower round QB getting some buzz -- have you done any work on Lindley?
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Deer in the headlights, dropped almost everything, body language --- something I feel/see, not measurable/quantifiable.

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I see what you mean.
He dropped a cooule of passes as seen in the video to follow.
These are instances where he didn't attack the ball as I'd mentioned.

http://www.procanes.com/files/ce72a8...b73-11264.html

Probably wasn't comfortable with the surrounding, maybe?
Or he could be focusing on running routes and drop the ball?
It does make one question the mental part of his game; the fact that he didn't win a starting job out of spring ball lurking in the back of one's mind.
The things Michael Irving said...

I wonder how much a regional scout was able to see during spring practices.
Are they allowed at team practices? How much can they see during pre-game warm-up, etc.

I think Miami had their pro-day yesterday or today. Any news on how and what he did?

I imagine a second or third round grade maybe more appropriate for him?
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OT: Lower round QB getting some buzz -- have you done any work on Lindley?
Don't know if I ever get to him.

Been scrutinizing Kirk Cousins and his receiver B.J. Cunningham.

After watching Cousins against Ohio St., ND, Michigan, Wisconsin, and a couple of lesser opponents, I was ready to write off Cousins.
He made too many mistakes (too many WTF moments) for a 5th year senior to think he can ever be a legit NFL starter.

But I decided to watch some more to be sure.
Against Nebraska, he looked like Gabbert against the Texans.
Well, he was actually worse.
He only had one INT for the game, but really, the Cornhuskers could have had 5 or 6.

This is another case of a QB who can be quite good without pressure.
From what I saw, it will take a lot of work for Cousins to evern become a legit NFL starter.

Cunningham, on the other hand, looks like a decent possibility for a number 2.
I think I'll watch some more of him later.

I might switch to a different tandem: A&M, AZ, AZ St.?

I've watched Lindley some the year before, but not this year.
What's your opinion on him?
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I think Miami had their pro-day yesterday or today. Any news on how and what he did?
Oddly, no. He & the RB didn't run, just drills. Appears Miami had a couple of troubled WRs that ran well, looked good.
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Oddly, no. He & the RB didn't run, just drills. Appears Miami had a couple of troubled WRs that ran well, looked good.
His combine number is good enough, he didn't have to run.
I would have like to find out how he ran the drills.

I found some links showing that Streeter didn't see much playing time until this past year due to drop passes, and poor work habit (by his own admission):

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/...d-1388827.html

http://www.footballscoop.com/news/34...dropped-passes

The guy who got the most starts last year was Benjamin who ran a 4.36 at the combine. He also has value as a return specialist. But he's small and doesn't play big. He was used mostly on the side line. What I like about him is that he's smart. When the QB starts to scramble, he will adjust his route. He did help out Jacoby Harris often. He knows how to work the DB to gain advantage here and there. If we can combine Benjamin and Kendall Wright, we would have a hell of a player.
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The guy who got the most starts last year was Benjamin who ran a 4.36 at the combine. He also has value as a return specialist. But he's small and doesn't play big.
The Texans need a returner (assuming Jacoby is gone). I just don't think Marciano is going to be able to talk Kubiak into another short return specialist, after the Holliday experiment. I like Chris Rainey's versitility, but I just don't see Kubiak going for him, either.
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The Texans need a returner (assuming Jacoby is gone). I just don't think Marciano is going to be able to talk Kubiak into another short return specialist, after the Holliday experiment. I like Chris Rainey's versitility, but I just don't see Kubiak going for him, either.
Hill has kick return experience & ability. Jacoby will be on a short leash yet remain Texan primary punt returner. Least that's how I see Kubiak playing his cards should they select Hill.
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The Texans need a returner (assuming Jacoby is gone). I just don't think Marciano is going to be able to talk Kubiak into another short return specialist, after the Holliday experiment. I like Chris Rainey's versitility, but I just don't see Kubiak going for him, either.
What T. Benjamin has that Hollday didn't is the receiving and route running skills.
Benjamin (not Streeter) was the "go to" guy for Jacory Harris.

While it's true that his game is finess. He's only some 172 lbs, but he's over 5-9.
His vertical is 38" and his broad jump is nearly 10".

I'm concerned about his lack of phisicality, but I think somebody will draft him on the third day. I've seen people slot him on the second day.

Not that I'm promoting the Texans to draft him, it's just that I see him as one op the options in the late rounds.
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Hill has kick return experience & ability. Jacoby will be on a short leash yet remain Texan primary punt returner. Least that's how I see Kubiak playing his cards should they select Hill.
I like to think Kubiak is more practical than that. Throughout OTAs & training camp, I'm sure they (Kubiak & Marciano) are going to be looking at everyone. If there is a better option at punt returns, I wouldn't see it past them to start the guy.

I like Jacoby, I've never hid that. Jacoby may have been one of he better punt returners of 2011, but there is still plenty of opportunity for improvement in that phase of the game. If you're not getting better, you're getting worse.
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theres manning and keo on the roster atm the could return kick offs and punts
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Lengthy, but fantastic 3-part read by Matt Waldman - well worth the effort:

WRs Stephen Hill and Marvin Jones: Managing Physical Play (Short)

Georgia Tech wide receiver Stephen Hill is tall, fast, and has a frame that will likely support another 10-15 pounds of muscle without sacrificing his 4.36-40 speed. Cal wide receiver Marvin Jones is a shade under 6í2″ and 200 pounds and he appears to have the type of physique that wouldnít add weight if he injected liquified Crisco with an IV. Yet if I were building a team from scratch and you asked me which receiver Iíd rather have catching passes from my quarterback, at this moment Iíd take Jones despite the fact Hillís physical skills are uncommon...

WRs Stephen Hill and Marvin Jones: Going Deep

This week I have been spotlighting the craft of playing receiver and using plays from the careers of Georgia Techís Stephen Hill and Calís Marvin Jones as examples. Yesterday, I profiled two crossing routes that couldnít have been run more different from each other. Today, Iím going deep and examining a vertical play from both receivers...

Vertical Goodness: Stephen Hill

Iíve been critical of the Georgia Tech receiver all week, but Iíve also been saying that the star of the Combine is more than just a gold medal winner 2012′s Underwear Olympics at Lucas Oil Stadium. Hill is a legit prospect with NFL starter upside. Although Iíve spent several pages analyzing what Hill doesnít do, one play can encompass most of his strengths. On the surface, one good play to several not so good ones might seem heavily weighted to the negative. However, there are certain talents that donít require lengthy analysis to value...
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Looking forward to reading those articles.

I am beginning to find myself in the Stephen Hill @ 26 2012 camp.

Just think that with basically a solid team looking for that little bit extra, rolling the dice on a what-if might be the ticket.
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Looking forward to reading those articles.

I am beginning to find myself in the Stephen Hill @ 26 2012 camp.

Just think that with basically a solid team looking for that little bit extra, rolling the dice on a what-if might be the ticket.
This is why I've changed my mind and want Hill over Randle.

The Texans are at a point that picking Hill is worth the gamble. I'm begining to dubt that Hill will be there at 26.
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For me, when it comes to drafting a WR, I wanna know if the guy can come in and be the #1 receiver should the unthinkable ever happen to the guy we already love playing WR for this team (I will not say his name for the sake of preventing it from happening).

Sometimes I just don't think Hill can be that dude. I think he would be a perfect compliment reciever but not the main guy. Kind of like Alvin Harper was with Michael Irvin. Harper was awesome at Dallas but when he went to Tampa Bay and the focus was on him, he was horrible.
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I am beginning to find myself in the Stephen Hill @ 26 2012 camp.
Read the articles, you might question Hill and reconsider Marvin Jones. The photo-diagrams really help.
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Read the articles, you might question Hill and reconsider Marvin Jones. The photo-diagrams really help.
PO, the guy was just over-analyzing Hill, using tapes that is over a year and a half old.

When you watch guys from that time frame, I think it's best to look for what he did do well.

Now if he didn't show hardly any improvement in his Senior year, the analyt would have a case.
From what I saw, he doesn't have a case.

There are videos out there at the combine and his pro day.
You can watch his route running, which was already better as the season went along.

I doubt that Hill will last past the first round.
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