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Old 02-19-2012   #281
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But since he's not screaming and yelling at everybody like Brady or Manning he has no passion and is not a leader.
This is just me thinking. I don't see Brady or Manning as "leaders" because they huff-&-puff on the sidelines, but year after year, they rise to the occasion & answer the bell.

The defense consistently give up 30 points... no problem, they answer the call & lead their team to that last minute drive, whether they had 2 minutes or 47 seconds.

Their offensive line can't protect them.. no matter. More times than not, they'll still have a 3 or 4 TD game....

You're star receiver shoots up a night-club or says something stupid & get transferred to Tennesse.... no problem, they'll make the next guy look like a super star.

They want the ball in their hands when the game is on the line & more times than not, they answer the bell.
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Well, here`s my list:...
A. Dalton
M. Ryan
M. Stafford
J. Flacco

I really like Schaub - but his injuries are a big concern...
Dalton, Ryan don't have Schaub's poise. Ryan was uninspiring in 2011. Stafford has at least as serious injury concerns. And Flacco? ProFootballFocus had Flacco ranked 28th for passing in 2011. Passer rating: Schaub 97/Flacco 81. T.J. Yates tied him @ 81, for reference.
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Dalton, Ryan don't have Schaub's poise. Ryan was uninspiring in 2011. Stafford has at least as serious injury concerns. And Flacco? ProFootballFocus had Flacco ranked 28th for passing in 2011. Passer rating: Schaub 97/Flacco 81. T.J. Yates tied him @ 81, for reference.
Yeah.... can't take any list with Ryan on it seriously.
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after Peyton, Brady, Brews, Ben, and Rogers who is better? Schaub is perfect for the Texans system. Who do you want to trade him for, Vick! Gabbert? Grossman? Give me another NFL QB that you would trade straight up for him?
Don't tease me, please tell me there is a trade in the works, who wouldn't want that masterpiece?
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Dalton, Ryan don't have Schaub's poise. Ryan was uninspiring in 2011. Stafford has at least as serious injury concerns. And Flacco? ProFootballFocus had Flacco ranked 28th for passing in 2011. Passer rating: Schaub 97/Flacco 81. T.J. Yates tied him @ 81, for reference.
Dalton, Ryan and Stafford should be cheaper and are younger - that`s my main selling point for them - on the field they are not far behind Schaub (when Stafford is healthy I think you need to put him ahead of Schaub) and there is reason to believe they will get better.

Flacco has proven he can win in the playoffs.

Right now there are big question marks around Schaub. How can he recover from that injury? And if he can, will he be a QB that can carry his team in the playoffs? And with his age, there is little room for real improvement.

If he can get to pre injury form I believe he could be that QB for us - but that is a big if, and that believe isn`t really solid either. That`s why I would trade him for those other QBs in a heartbeat. Too many question marks, too many ifs and buts.

But since none of those team would even consider a trade like this, and since we won`t consider trading Schaub either, I am in the front row cheering for him and praying to god that he gets well and carries this team to a superbowl.
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Joe Flacco has proven he can win in the playoffs? That's like saying Mark Sanchez has proven he can win in the playoffs (two straight AFC Championship appearances), when in reality he is the ultimate game manager and isn't anywhere to be found on a list of the best quarterbacks in the game.

I'm just skeptical when labeling a quarterback a winner in the playoffs. I don't think Flacco is any better than Schaub, who has never played in a playoff game, but he's just been on the right team at the right time, a la Mark Sanchez. If Matt Schaub stays healthy in 2012 the Texans have a great shot to reach Super Bowl 47 in the Superdome. I do believe Schaub is worthy of being mentioned among some of the top QBs in the game. Hopefully he'll get the recognition he deserves.
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Flacco and Ryan are not very amazing at the moment, Stafford can and will be great if he stays healthy, and I want to see what Dalton can do in the future.

Right now its, in no particular order;

Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Manning, Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Schaub, Vick.

Ryan, Flacco, Newton, Dalton, Cutler, Romo are all hovering. I'm sure I'm missing a guy or two.
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after Peyton, Brady, Brews, Ben, and Rogers who is better? Schaub is perfect for the Texans system. Who do you want to trade him for, Vick! Gabbert? Grossman? Give me another NFL QB that you would trade straight up for him?
Bradford, Stafford, Ryan, Rivers, Flacco, Eli, Vick, Newton, Palmer, maybe even Hasselbeck (if he was younger) or Dalton (if he has another good year). Im sure there are more, but bottom line is my opinion is my own, and it is that Schaub is a mid-tier QB.
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Schaub is renowned as the hardest worker on the team.
I dont think I have ever heard that even suggested. Maybe I am not the one making stuff up.
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and was the probowl MVP to boot
Probowl MVP. Thats right up there with being a superstar at recess.
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I dont think I have ever heard that even suggested. Maybe I am not the one making stuff up.

This is actually pretty well documented. First in and last out- always.
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Dalton, Ryan and Stafford should be cheaper and are younger - that`s my main selling point for them - on the field they are not far behind Schaub (when Stafford is healthy I think you need to put him ahead of Schaub) and there is reason to believe they will get better.


schaub: 6yrs/48m, 7m garunteed
ryan: 6yrs,72m, 34.75m garunteed
stafford: 6yrs,72m, 41.7m garunteed

knew i shouldnt have clicked on this thread...
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This is actually pretty well documented. First in and last out- always.
you know how the interwebz work, if its well documented, provide the source.. until then its just hearsay..
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No thanks.

Schaub has only had two good years in eight NFL seasons. He is injury prone, has a weak arm, is not accuarate (keep your stats, his receivers cover his ass constantly), not mobile, and has no passion for the game. Its like watching Eeyore playing QB. Trade him and get something for him.
ugh and it gets worse

that would be the group of wrs everybody and their mother has us replacing with our top draft picks right?

as for the rest of your scouting report...
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you know how the interwebz work, if its well documented, provide the source.. until then its just hearsay..
kubiaks and other players have said it countless times in pressers so what other sources do you want?

if anybody need documented proof of schaubs work ethic it just shows they dont follow the team i.e the weekly pressers that closely...which is also fine

just dont try to make to argue something that the majority of the hardcore fans who follow the team closely know is pretty much a fact just because they're too f'n lazy to go through the pressers to find 'the evidence' themselves
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This is actually pretty well documented. First in and last out- always.
Not denying it may be the case, just have never heard of it.
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I dont think I have ever heard that even suggested. Maybe I am not the one making stuff up.
Seriously, once you get your eyes checked make sure you get your hearing checked, because its well documented that Schaub is FILO. First in, Last out!
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that would be the group of wrs everybody and their mother has us replacing with our top draft picks right?
Didn't say WR's, I said receivers. Including TE's and RB's, etc. I for one would not use a first round pick on a WR. In this offense the important thing is the O-line, and the RB core, not the WR talent. We have one of if not the best in the league in AJ, and we have a talented rookie who was hurt and may be a serviceable #2 this year. I would pick up a WR, but not in the first round. At 26 we will be able to add a better player at a more needed position, and still get our receiver in a later round.
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Seriously, once you get your eyes checked make sure you get your hearing checked, because its well documented that Schaub is FILO. First in, Last out!
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Link please.
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...99#post1902799

to be fair maybe it hasnt been mentioned since dec 2011
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