Demeco's contract and Mario Williams...

[gary]

Keep Demeco over Mario.

[Dutchrudder]

Give Demeco next year to prove himself, he has certainly earned that much. Plus, there's no sense in cutting him now given his contract. If he plays terribly next year, then there will be reason to discuss his future, but otherwise we don't really have a fully recovered season of performance to use to gauge his ability. I believe he will bounce back, but if he doesn't there will be a tough decision to make next year.

[thunderkyss]

Why wouldn't Demeco want to restructure? He gets the same money, maybe more & added protection against getting cut.

He's due what, $7M next year? plus a $1M portion of his signing bonus? Making his cap hit $8M.

Turn his 2012 salary into a signing bonus, dividing it among the remaining time on his contract.... 4 years (??) His cap could be as low as $2M for 2012

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Why wouldn't Demeco want to restructure?

Ryans restructured his contract last year. I don't see how that would benefit him or the Texans this year. I haven't even seen what the terms are after the restructure, but it's not on Rotoworld. Seriously, talk of cutting Ryans this year is a joke.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Seriously, talk of cutting Ryans this year is a joke.

True...

[ckhouston]

Both DeMeco and Mario will be Texans next year.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Ryans restructured his contract last year. I don't see how that would benefit him or the Texans this year. I haven't even seen what the terms are after the restructure, but it's not on Rotoworld. Seriously, talk of cutting Ryans this year is a joke.

No way he's cut .... But his caphit being north of $8m is unacceptable in the Texans current situation and for his contribution on the field.

He's only in the base package while Cushing is the only every down LB. Any time the Texans are in nickle or dime coverage Demeco's on the sidelines. I believe I saw a stat showing they were in their base defense less than 40% of the time last season .... which means Demeco got less than 40% of the snaps. Thats a hefty price to pay for a 1 or 2 down LB.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

No way he's cut .... But his caphit being north of $8m is unacceptable in the Texans current situation and for his contribution on the field.

He's only in the base package while Cushing is the only every down LB. Any time the Texans are in nickle or dime coverage Demeco's on the sidelines. I believe I saw a stat showing they were in their base defense less than 40% of the time last season .... which means Demeco got less than 40% of the snaps. Thats a hefty price to pay for a 1 or 2 down LB.

That's 2011.... we don't know how often he'll be on the field in 2012.

He was coming off a severe Achilles, then he had that elbow thing.

Late in the season, he was playing some football, with a capital BADMOFO. I'm sure we'll see him on the field more in 2012 than in 2011.

You put your best players on the field, who would you rather have out there, a healthy Demeco or Nolan.... or Demps?

[DocBar]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

That's 2011.... we don't know how often he'll be on the field in 2012.

He was coming off a severe Achilles, then he had that elbow thing.

Late in the season, he was playing some football, with a capital BADMOFO. I'm sure we'll see him on the field more in 2012 than in 2011.

You put your best players on the field, who would you rather have out there, a healthy Demeco or Nolan.... or Demps?

With a full offseason conditioning program, wouldn't you think he'd be better than last year? The achille's issue is the biggest question mark, by far.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

That's 2011.... we don't know how often he'll be on the field in 2012.

He was coming off a severe Achilles, then he had that elbow thing.

Late in the season, he was playing some football, with a capital BADMOFO. I'm sure we'll see him on the field more in 2012 than in 2011.

You put your best players on the field, who would you rather have out there, a healthy Demeco or Nolan.... or Demps?

He did make significant improvement twards the end of the year .... but He's not going to replace a safety in coverage. Thats definately not one of his strong points.

Down and distance greatly affect how much he sees the field .... hard to justify the price tag IMO.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by DocBar

With a full offseason conditioning program, wouldn't you think he'd be better than last year? The achille's issue is the biggest question mark, by far.

Demeco has never been particularly strong in coverage. He's also not nearly the blitzer that Cushing is. Therefore, he's the first linebacker off the field when the team goes nickel and dime.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Demeco has never been particularly strong in coverage. He's also not nearly the blitzer that Cushing is. Therefore, he's the first linebacker off the field when the team goes nickel and dime.

I think with a healthy Demeco, we'll see less Dime coverage. Cody/Mitchell will come off the field, we'll bring in an extra defensive back.... McClain for our Nickel; Demeco stays on the field.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I think with a healthy Demeco, we'll see less Dime coverage. Cody/Mitchell will come off the field, we'll bring in an extra defensive back.... McClain for our Nickel; Demeco stays on the field.

Much of that is dictated by down and distance as well as opponents personel packages .... I could see leaving Ryans on the field when his responsibility is a TE but not if he's covering a WR.

Thats a lot of the reason the Texans defense was much more successful Vs the pass this season - Having that extra DB instead of a LB .... We often saw Ryans and other LB's in coverage linprevious seasons , the majority of the time this past season we had a DB instead .... accept for those first down and short to mediou yardage situations.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

No way he's cut .... But his caphit being north of $8m is unacceptable in the Texans current situation and for his contribution on the field.

He's only in the base package while Cushing is the only every down LB. Any time the Texans are in nickle or dime coverage Demeco's on the sidelines. I believe I saw a stat showing they were in their base defense less than 40% of the time last season .... which means Demeco got less than 40% of the snaps. Thats a hefty price to pay for a 1 or 2 down LB.

I remember a couple games last year where Demeco barely played...I think some of that was due to his early injury struggles, but I think it also had something to do with him just not being in on the packages like you mention...

He is a beast of a second LB, but you are right that is a hefty price tag...

[DocBar]

The point of this thread is MW's value vs. Ryans value. Lets not lose sight of that. IMO, it's obvious, from many years of observation, that the D will miss Ryans much more than MW. See also 2010vs2011 rankings.

[GP]

Originally Posted by DocBar

The point of this thread is MW's value vs. Ryans value. Lets not lose sight of that. IMO, it's obvious, from many years of observation, that the D will miss Ryans much more than MW. See also 2010vs2011 rankings.

I think 2010 vs. 2011, in terms of evaluating 'Meco's presence in 2011 and his absence in 2010...that's a hard sell for this argument. The defense as a whole, in 2010, was atrocious. The coaching was abysmal, the whole scheme and its weekly FUBAR self makes it difficult to say "When 'Meco was in, we were decent, and when he was out we were awful." Just my two cents on it, since I have seen other posters mention this earlier in the convo.

'Meco looked pretty JAG in his first game or two, maybe three, of 2011. But as the elbow got better, so did 'Meco. He grew stronger and was more of a presence as 2011 wore on.

I'd like to keep him if it's possible. Back when him and OD were clamoring for re-worked contracts a few seasons ago, I was fine with the Texans telling them "No" and waiting to let their contracts expire. IIRC, the Texans re-worked those two contracts, which speaks to their good will towards two "lunch pail" guys who were here in the lean years and gave it their all no matter what.

I think you have to try to give 'Meco the chance to stay but with a clear-cut understanding of what he can be REASONABLY paid, considering his injury history and the contracts we're having to pony up BIG money toward.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by DocBar

The point of this thread is MW's value vs. Ryans value. Lets not lose sight of that. IMO, it's obvious, from many years of observation, that the D will miss Ryans much more than MW. See also 2010vs2011 rankings.

Seems like people are remembering things how they want to...

The Defense was bad even before Demeco got hurt that year...In fact, many people were already talking about how Demeco looked like he lost a step BEFORE his injury.

I, myself, speculated that Demeco had probably gained too much weight...I don't know if that is the reason he hurt his achilles in space but I do think it had something to do with him not looking as quick as he did in previous seasons.

I don't think the Texans will cut Demeco to sign Mario...In fact that was Barry Warner that suggested that the Texans may look into that as a possiblity if he is not willing to restructure again.

I don't understand the cap stuff, but I understand a player making too much money for the good of the team. I think that Demeco may be approaching that area considering all the facts...With or without Mario his contract may become an issue...

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Rey

I remember a couple games last year where Demeco barely played...I think some of that was due to his early injury struggles, but I think it also had something to do with him just not being in on the packages like you mention...

He is a beast of a second LB, but you are right that is a hefty price tag...

Yeah I recall onegame , I forget which .... people were complaining that he didnt show up in the stat sheet.... That was because he was on the field for Eight Snaps (8) mainly due to down and distance .... Cant tackle when youare on the sidelines.

Prior to the drafting of Cushing .... I think Demeco would have remained on the field much more but Cushing is a much better pass rusher and probably covers backs better which gives him the nod in those passing situations.


We're not in aneither or situation .... but I think they almost have to rework Ryans deal. $8.5m is just too steep a price to pay for a 1-2 down player.

Originally Posted by Rey

Seems like people are remembering things how they want to...

The Defense was bad even before Demeco got hurt that year...In fact, many people were already talking about how Demeco looked like he lost a step BEFORE his injury.

If you look at the game that Demeco got hurt in against the Chiefs .... They allowed 7.5 ypc inthe second half as opposed to ~5ish in the first half. (from memory) That defense was poor to start with , but taking Demeco away from it just made it that much worse.

Originally Posted by DocBar

The point of this thread is MW's value vs. Ryans value. Lets not lose sight of that. IMO, it's obvious, from many years of observation, that the D will miss Ryans much more than MW. See also 2010vs2011 rankings.

You can never have enough pass rushers .....

Im by no means knocking Ryans .... but I believe a high quality pass rusher is the more important player over a 1-2 down ILB , unless that LB is Ray Lewis in his prime good.


Take a look at the Giants two superbowl runs - both fueled by their pass rush ... and they have three guy's who contribute routinely to that end in Pierre-Paul , Tuck and Umenyiora.

[TheMatrix31]

Demeco is the glue of this defense. Abso****inglutely not.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by TheMatrix31

Demeco is the glue of this defense. Abso****inglutely not.

No to a restructure of a guy who is on the field ... lets call it 33% of the time ?


...... Nope.