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Old 02-13-2012   #21
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Not a lot of pass rushers in your top 32. I'm surprised to see Weedon in there.
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Not a lot of pass rushers in your top 32. I'm surprised to see Weedon in there.
Has the experience & production for position to be selected somewhere in the first round just have no idea where? #2 in the country yardage per game 363.6 (behind Case Keenum) with passer rating of 159.78. The good thing for him is he impressed scouts in practice Senior Bowl week, was considered the best QB prospect of that group. I like Weeden & Foles over Tannehill as more near term resolutions for NFL teams starved for decent QB play.
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Texan Board would probably look a whole lot different, but for most part if they target WR in first round they MUST trade up to acquire him. One thing I have yet to do is flow out a first round mock, maybe after the combine? My best guess is if Wright were to be on the board past #14 (Cowboys) Rick might start making some phone calls
I agree with this 100%. Especially when you have the Browns ahead of us who might take RG3 and could definitely use a matching WR, by the name of Wright, to make their team more competitive.
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Has the experience & production for position to be selected somewhere in the first round just have no idea where? #2 in the country yardage per game 363.6 (behind Case Keenum) with passer rating of 159.78. The good thing for him is he impressed scouts in practice Senior Bowl week, was considered the best QB prospect of that group. I like Weeden & Foles over Tannehill as more near term resolutions for NFL teams starved for decent QB play.
I gotcha, I like Weedon's talent too, but I can't get over the fact that he's 28 and will be 29 in October. If he's not gonna be starting for at least a year or two, he won't be playing significant time until he's almost 31, and that just seems wasteful to me unless you draft him specifically as a backup. In that case, you might as well get someone younger who can develop into a longer term solution than the guy who is closer to being irrelevant.
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I gotcha, I like Weedon's talent too, but I can't get over the fact that he's 28 and will be 29 in October. If he's not gonna be starting for at least a year or two, he won't be playing significant time until he's almost 31, and that just seems wasteful to me unless you draft him specifically as a backup. In that case, you might as well get someone younger who can develop into a longer term solution than the guy who is closer to being irrelevant.
I've heard that some teams view his age & maturity as an asset for QB position. That his experience is beneficial, he will be focused, more dedicated to film study, responsibility & accountability towards coaches & teammates.
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I've heard that some teams view his age & maturity as an asset for QB position. That his experience is beneficial, he will be focused, more dedicated to film study, responsibility & accountability towards coaches & teammates.
But what is the plan if you draft him? What team do you see using a 1st or high 2nd on him? I think he could be a capable backup, I just don't see a team starting him immediately, or in the first 2 years. By that time he's 30, and moving on up in age. Is the plan to start him year 3?

The problem is you don't have the luxury of developing him over 4 years of a rookie contract like you do with most drafted QBs. Most draftees are younger at the end of their rookie deal than Weedon is when you draft him. It just seems like a poor investment to me and limits the team's potential to get a return on their high pick. If he was taken in the 4th or later, then no big deal, but spending a 1st or 2nd on him seems like a waste.
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Washington in the 2nd, if they are unable to trade up and get one of the top 2 QB's.

Or trade for Flynn
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It will be interesting to see how the combine shapes the draft from here. They're always some who fall while others stock soars
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1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
4. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
5. Matt Kalil OT Southern Cal
6. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
7. Michael Brockers DT LSU
8. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
9. David DeCastro OG Stanford
10. Devon Still DT Penn State
11. Melvin Ingram DE/OLB South Carolina
12. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
13. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
14. Nick Perry DE Southern Cal
15. Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
16. Riley Reiff OT Iowa
17. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
18. Quentin Coples DE North Carolina
19. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
20. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
21. Mike Adams OT Ohio State
22. Cordy Glenn OG/OT Georgia
23. Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
24. Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
25. Dre Kirkpatrick FS/CB Alabama
26. Andre Branch DE Clemson
27. Peter Konz OC Wisconsin
28. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
29. Lamar Miller RB Miami(FL)
30. Rueben Randle WR LSU
31. Brandon Weeden QB Oklahoma State
32. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State


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praying for a trade down.
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praying for a trade down.
In the end there will be a guy sitting there #26 Texans covet
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In the end there will be a guy sitting there #26 Texans covet
There may be 3 guys they covet, which would allow them to trade down. They coveted Duane Brown in 2008, and still moved down. The question is, as always, will there be someone at #26 that is so coveted by another team that they will move up to get him?
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There may be 3 guys they covet, which would allow them to trade down. They coveted Duane Brown in 2008, and still moved down. The question is, as always, will there be someone at #26 that is so coveted by another team that they will move up to get him?
In which case they have about 10 minutes to make a move.
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1. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
3. Matt Kalil OT Southern Cal
4. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
5. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
6. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
7. Michael Brockers DT LSU
8. Melvin Ingram OLB South Carolina
9. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
10. Quentin Coples DE North Carolina
11. Riley Reiff OT Iowa
12. David DeCastro OG Stanford
13. Dontari Poe NT Memphis
14. Nick Perry DE Southern Cal
15. Luke Kuechly LB Boston College
16. Jonathan Martin OT Stanford
17. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
18. Devon Still DT Penn State
19. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi State
20. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
21. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
22. Cordy Glenn OT Georgia
23. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
24. Mike Adams OT Ohio State
25. Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
26. Andre Branch DE Clemson
27. Doug Martin RB Boise State
28. Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
29. Lamar Miller RB Miami(FL)
30. Kendall Reyes DT Connecticut
31. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
32. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State


NEWS FLASH!!!!! The Draft is a fluid process
Almost but not quite post combine
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BL how about throwing in 2-3 that could sneak into first?
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BL how about throwing in 2-3 that could sneak into first?
Zach Brown, OLB/DE, North Carolina, 6013 236 4.5 forty
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If Poe is available at our pick in the 1st rd, do you think that Wade gonna pull a trigger? I bet Wade's got a lot of say in Texans' organization and Gary and Rick have to listen what he got to say.
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If Poe is available at our pick in the 1st rd, do you think that Wade gonna pull a trigger? I bet Wade's got a lot of say in Texans' organization and Gary and Rick have to listen what he got to say.
No. I think Wade is happy with Cody and does not want to use a first when he could get Ta'Amu or Chapman or Martin later rounds. I have Poe #26 on my mock.
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If Poe is available at our pick in the 1st rd, do you think that Wade gonna pull a trigger? I bet Wade's got a lot of say in Texans' organization and Gary and Rick have to listen what he got to say.
I can't see them spending a #1 on a position that isn't on the field in nickle situations. In a pass happy league he would see less than half of the snaps, especially in a rotation.
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I can't see them spending a #1 on a position that isn't on the field in nickle situations. In a pass happy league he would see less than half of the snaps, especially in a rotation.
Our first round pick is probably not going to be looked for to be an impact starter from day 1 like we have had to do in years past.
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