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Old 02-11-2012   #61
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Do you think HoF voters will agree with you? They just dissed Chris Carter, and according to some NFL analysts, this will be a trend that continues for awhile against receivers.
Andre is what they want a WR to be. If he gets a couple of rings & an MVP, they'll bend over backwards to get him in, ASAP. Plus he'll have McClain in his corner. If he can get Moon in, he'll get AJ in. But AJ has to do his part.
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As of today he's not a HOF WR imho. What he needs to do is to have a couple of years where he gets 1000+ yds and has double digit td receptions. He's a borderline guy as of now so he needs to do what I just said earlier and he'll be in Canton in no time.
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The reason Chris Carter and Tim Brown have not got in is simple. They were never the best WR in the NFL at any given time during their career. They were good players, some years as maybe a top5 player most years as a top 10 player at their position. They had long careers and thus put up numbers.

Dre will get in becuase for the last 3 years he has been widely considered the best at his position with his only competition being Fitz (Megatron too). 08 and 09 were monster years back to back and while he may never put up numbers like that again there is no reason to think he can't put up 1100 - 1400 yards a season for 4-5 more seasons barring injury.

In his only appearance in the playoffs he averaged 100 yds a game with 15.5 yards per catch basically at 75% (at best).

I think he bounces back to the tune of 1200+ next year too.
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I recognize and agree with most of that statement. A.J. was the one stud on a sucky team. But now the offense goes thru Foster. Defenses don't fear A.J. like they fear Foster. What's more likely to happen... an opposing defense doubling A.J. with a CB and safety or them putting that safety in the box to stop Foster??

The part I disagree with is that you're giving the HoF voters more credit than they're due. They won't care that A.J. is a great downfield blocker or a great route runner. There's no evidence that they are that smart. Carter and Harrison are two of the best route runners this side of Jerry Rice. Carter still isn't in and it will be interesting to see if Harrison gets in when eligible (I think he's still 2-3 years away).

I'm telling you A.J. needs a ring or two to cement his chances.
Uh, ask the Ravens, who let Foster go off while keeping everyone deep to stop AJ.
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Do you think HoF voters will agree with you? They just dissed Chris Carter, and according to some NFL analysts, this will be a trend that continues for awhile against receivers.
Then again, you know how fickle the voters can be. Maybe they still hold Carter's early years against him. The whole alcohol, weed and ecstasy thing. Who knows?
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Then again, you know how fickle the voters can be. Maybe they still hold Carter's early years against him. The whole alcohol, weed and ecstasy thing. Who knows?
There is no telling, to be honest. The HoF voters do not have to be accountable. By the same token, they might not like the Houston Texans and hold that against A.J. for not seeking out a better team when he had the chance to do so.

I do not think either loyalty or potential are traits to be considered by HoF voters.

Different position, but the fact that Robert "Dr. Doom" Brazile is not in the HoF says it all. The voters have a bias, and it is unexplainable.
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There is no telling, to be honest. The HoF voters do not have to be accountable. By the same token, they might not like the Houston Texans and hold that against A.J. for not seeking out a better team when he had the chance to do so.

I do not think either loyalty or potential are traits to be considered by HoF voters.

Different position, but the fact that Robert "Dr. Doom" Brazile is not in the HoF says it all. The voters have a bias, and it is unexplainable.
Agreed on all points, especially the bolded!
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Different position, but the fact that Robert "Dr. Doom" Brazile is not in the HoF says it all. The voters have a bias, and it is unexplainable.
How about Charles Haley? He was the best DE on five SB winning teams.
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How about Charles Haley? He was the best DE on five SB winning teams.
Didn't Charles Haley have an ummmmm, well sorta weird pregame "ritual"? I may be thinking of someone else, but again, voters are a fickle bunch.
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BTW... This just in; The Pro Football Hall of Fame needs a Texans entry other than Joe Texan in the "fan" wing.... Seriously!
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Didn't Charles Haley have an ummmmm, well sorta weird pregame "ritual"? I may be thinking of someone else, but again, voters are a fickle bunch.
He was known for practical jokes which sometimes ran into your neck of the woods.

But seriously. Any QB with 5 rings would be a unanimous inductee even if it was Trent Dilfer doing it on the back of the Ravens defense.
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He was known for practical jokes which sometimes ran into your neck of the woods.

But seriously. Any QB with 5 rings would be a unanimous inductee even if it was Trent Dilfer doing it on the back of the Ravens defense.
Damn... I had forgotten about Haley...
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Haley's supporters, who included the late Bill Walsh, believe his personal accomplishments, especially his record five Super Bowl rings, make him worthy of induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.[citation needed] However, his history of obscene, violent, and mutinous behavior during his playing days has not helped his candidacy. He was one of the fifteen finalists in 2010 and 2011; however, he was not selected. He was inducted into the Virginia Sports Hall of Fame in 2006. He was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame in 2011.
I remember him going at it with George Seifert but I don't know what they mean by "obscene" behavior.
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No question A.J. is a bonafide stud. And, as others have said, he represents what the voters should be looking for in terms of personality and work ethic. I just worry that they will hold the "no SB rings" and no double-digit TD seasons things against him.

We need to get that man a SB ring!!
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I remember him going at it with George Seifert but I don't know what they mean by "obscene" behavior.
He had some incidents of unexpectedly walking up to teammates and pressing his naked groin against them while they were sitting at their lockers.
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How about Charles Haley? He was the best DE on five SB winning teams.
Without a doubt, another travesty. It's like Rush and Deep Purple being excluded from the rock and roll hall of fame. It lessens the meaning of these institutions when they leave out clear examples of greatness.
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He had some incidents of unexpectedly walking up to teammates and pressing his naked groin against them while they were sitting at their lockers.
yeah, many thought he was just insane. He had many incidents along these lines...and I'm sure we don't know the worst of the stories either. On play alone, he was a HOF'er for sure. Perhaps he was just so much a jerk nobody is going to vote him in.
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No question A.J. is a bonafide stud. And, as others have said, he represents what the voters should be looking for in terms of personality and work ethic. I just worry that they will hold the "no SB rings" and no double-digit TD seasons things against him.

We need to get that man a SB ring!!
They didn't hold no sb rings and a short career against Gayle Sayers, Dan Marino and many other players that were considered the best of their era.
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They didn't hold no sb rings and a short career against Gayle Sayers, Dan Marino and many other players that were considered the best of their era.
And are any of the guys who voted them in around today? Very few, if any.

Gayle Sayers was one of a kind. Twenty-two TDs in his rookie year - and that's on a total of 232 touches (PR, KRs, receptions, and rushes). That's nearly one TD every ten times he touched the ball. Six TDs in one game. Voted All-Pro (not pro bowl) five times in his six seasons. Led the league in rushing twice and in yds from scrimmage 2 or 3 times.

Marino owned every significant passing record when he retired. Manning and Brees are just starting to rewrite some of them. But when he was voted in, he owned nearly all of them and still owns quite a few. You can look at the list HERE .

What NFL records does A.J. hold or share? I can't find any. I remember Kubiak pointing out he was the fastest to some yardage milestone of any receiver but that's not like saying he holds the all time yardage or reception or TD record now is it?

With few records to point to and no rings, A.J. is great role model but no shoe in for the HoF.

I heard, a long time ago, some wagging tongue talking about Moss or T.O. or someone regarding whether they belonged in the Hall. They said, "If you have to argue them into the Hall of Fame, they probably don't belong." And I agree. A Hall of Fame selection should be a no-brainer. Marino? Rings or not, he was a no-brainer. So was Sayers when he was elected in 1977 (I wonder if he'd get in today since his career was so short).

Trust me, I want A.J. in as much as you do. I just don't trust the current generation of voters to give him that honor. ...especially without a SB ring or league MVP to point to.
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