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Old 01-16-2012   #1
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I changed it up a little bit from the one I posted in beerlover's thread yesterday, and I like it a bit better. Let me know what you think.

Round 1: Memphis NT Dontari Poe, 6’5” 350 lbs



I just cant decide on a pick here. On the one hand, our D was very good this past season, and we have a huge whole at number 2 WR. On the other hand, I believe that the WRs worth taking here- Blackmon, Wright, Floyd- will be gone, which would leave us either reaching for a player, or grabbing a different position. I think Poe is an upgrade, and one of the few true NTs in the draft. WR can be grabbed later. Poe is a massive, raw talent that, with coaching, can become one of the best NTs in the league. He is huge and strong, yet can move quite well for his size. Putting him out next to Watt would strike fear in opposing offenses.

Round 2: Arizona State ILB Vontaze Burfict, 6’3” 250 lbs



We all know the pluses and minus to Burfict. An incredibly talented player- speed, strength, play recognition, anger- but with one major flaw- he is a headcase. Burfict simply cannot keep his emotions in check, which results in costly unsportsmanlike penalties. However, I think the Texans need backup linebackers, with an eye towards having them start in a year or two. Burfict can play both inside and outside. And hopefully being around professionals like Cushing, Ryans, Joseph, Manning and Watt will temper the young man, and help him focus staying in control. If he is available (a big if- I have him ranked much higher than this, but appear to be one of the few), he is worth the risk. Especially if Wade likes him.

Round 3: Oklahoma WR Ryan Broyles, 5’11” 185 lbs



I know, later than you guys want to see WR taken. But I did not want to reach for a player. Broyles should be long enough removed from his injury to be able to participate in the mini-camps and training camp, and is exactly what one looks for in a number 2 receiver- shiftiness, hands, a feel for the zone, and the ball just seems to find him. Now, a major flaw is that he wont be more than a number 2. He lacks the size and the top end speed required to fill that need. Broyles can also fill the role of returner.

Round 4- Ex-Oregon CB/PR Cliff Harris, 5’11” 170 lbs



JJ needs to go, and it never hurts to take chances on potential shut down corners. As I put it in another thread “Cliff Harris is a CB in the mold of Deon Sanders.

An extraordinary talent, both at CB and at returner. He can blanket a man step for step with his elite agility, speed and acceleration, and can intercept passes with little difficulty.

However, he is like Sanders in the fact that he is not a willing tackler. And even when he does go in for the tackle, it is a very weak with poor form. As with other players who focus on getting interceptions, I have noticed that he sometimes gets caught looking in the backfield. He can be beat on double moves, PA, etc.

In terms of off the field issues, Harris was booted from the team due to accumulating multiple offenses throughout his career. The general pattern seems to be driving too fast (and not wearing a seat belt, and being uninsured), and marijuana.

Round 5- Arizona WR Juron Criner, 6’4” 215 lbs



Criner can be an excellent red zone option. He missed some time during his career due to injury, but he certainly can win those jump balls against DBs. With AJ, Broyles, KW, Jean, Criner and Maehl making up our WR corps, we should look a lot more dangerous.

Round 6- Wake Forest OG Dennis Godfrey, 6’3” 315 lbs



Godfrey is a big guard with rare athleticism for a big guy. He could use some work with his technique (since he recently moved from DT), but I think he could become a contributor for the Texans down the line.

Round 7- Michigan DE Ryan van Bergen, 6’6” 290 lbs
As I described him earlier, a poor man’s Watt. How can you not want that on your team?
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I guess my thought is I wouldn't address the defense until the 3rd unless someone dropped who shouldn't be there .
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I guess my thought is I wouldn't address the defense until the 3rd unless someone dropped who shouldn't be there .
I cant disagree with this sentiment, but I took the option of trying to build an all-star D, that when coupled with our running game can win games like the Ravens and Steelers used to do/continue to do.
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I cant disagree with this sentiment, but I took the option of trying to build an all-star D, that when coupled with our running game can win games like the Ravens and Steelers used to do/continue to do.
That's true and if the BPA was clearly a NT , why not .
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I'd be happy with this draft as long as we got a WR through FA.

I would love to plug a NT like Poe into our D, but it doesn't seem like Wade feels the same way. Great mock though, fantastic work as always.

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1. It's really hard to gauge where Poe will be selected. If he is there fine. Raw, needs a couple years then who knows maybe he's pro-bowl material. High risk-high reward, not sure that's Rick Smith/Gary Kubiak/Wade Phillps MO? Guess he would fall into who you feel Texans should select.

2. Has Burfict stock fallen this low? If so, WOW, thought for sure he was first round material. If there by all means take him, Wade will whip him into shape if not DeMeco & Cushing.

3. No argument on Broyles. I listed him as an option even in the 2nd depending on what other WR's still on board. If Wright goes higher, as expected, in the first I think it will also drive Ryan Broyles stock higher too, very similar, polished WR's.

4. Cliff Harris is on par w/Claiborne in regards to cover skills, despite repeated off field issues would be surprised if he slides end of 4th. Someone will gamble on him, very fluid hips with will excellent ball skills (somewhere 3rd rd.).

5. Criner end of 5th also hard to imagine. Maybe the 4th instead when Harris is off the board. Taking two WR's is a real good idea, plus free agency if there is any cap room left.

6. I'm with you addressing OL late. They will need time anyway to learn the ZBS so long as they possess skill set & have essential measureable in a average class.

7. Ryan van Bergen, has a draftable grade, unlike my own pick. Developmental of course but could prove useful & even if on the practice squad becomes a solid camp body.
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1. Poe, what I read tells me that he's a good NT prospect but what I see for myself makes me skeptical. He's a junior from a Conference USA school that hasn't faced any kind of elite level competition. He's huge and we all know that it's almost impossible for someone that size to have athletic quickness/agility. We play a 1 gap system that relies on quickness and athleticism to get penetration, we don't run a traditional 2 gap system. He's tall so leverage will be an issue for him against guys who'll be able to stand him up. I've seen no game film on him anywhere. There's no game film on the net that I can find so I can't endorse a 1st round pick spent on a guy that I can't see play. At a time when all the players are filling up YouTube with highlight videos trying to stir up hype about themselves, all I can find on Poe is weightlifting and interviews. That alone sends up a red flag for me.
2. Burfict, I can't see him falling to the late 2nd round. To me he's late 1st round or very early 2nd round. Great value if he is still available.
3. Broyles, he's a good player but it's my opinion that since he won't be able to workout due to injury issues he'll fall farther than you think. This is a very deep WR class, teams will want someone that can play and workout to start learing their system right away, not someone that's already on IR. Why would a team take an injured Broyles here when they can get a healthy Fuller, Criner, Jenkins, etc... All are just as athletic but healthier.
4. Harris, I like him but again don't think he falls this far. If so he's great value but I don't see it happening since CB's are so valued. I think he goes 2nd round.
5. Criner, see #4
6. Godfrey, I don't know anything about him but I like the depth O-line pick.
7. Van Bergen, I don't know anything about him either but I like the added size and competition on the D-line. Probably goes to the practice squad.
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Great Mock,

Just switch Broyles and Harris and draft Jordan White in the 5th. Or even trade up into the 4th for White.

This provides great value in the 3/4th rd. Addresses the holes at WR and PR/KR. Hopefully they also add a vet WR in FA. So that the Broyles/Criner/Whites of the world have time to adjust to the speed of the NFL game in a natural progression.
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I think I would do a double back flip if it happened like this. I don't think Burfict falls all the way to the bottom of the 2nd, nor Criner to the 5th. Van Bergen is a helluva a pick too. Probably should grab a WR in the 2nd, lots of options and open up your other picks to fill up the OL depth.
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I post this in every mock thread because this never ends...

Why do we need a 'huge' NT? What impression has Wade given that he needs a 335 lb guy in the middle? We just finished 4th in the league in run defense and held Ray Rice to 60 yds on 21 carries in a road playoff game.

Wade seems perfectly content to run with smaller guys (if 300 is small) because that's how he likes to run his front. Why not a guy like Jerel Worthy, who is a much better prospect?

I don't really see NT as an immediate need, unless you're talking about a mid-round prospect for depth.

As for Cliff Harris, I think people overrate his coverage skills because he can return kicks. He has good coverage skills for a guy who also returns kicks, but he is not on the same level as Claiborne IMO. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but he's not on that level when it comes to coverage. He is a ball hawk though.
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Why do we need a 'huge' NT? What impression has Wade given that he needs a 335 lb guy in the middle? We just finished 4th in the league in run defense and held Ray Rice to 60 yds on 21 carries in a road playoff game.

Wade seems perfectly content to run with smaller guys (if 300 is small) because that's how he likes to run his front. Why not a guy like Jerel Worthy, who is a much better prospect?

I don't really see NT as an immediate need, unless you're talking about a mid-round prospect for depth.

As for Cliff Harris, I think people overrate his coverage skills because he can return kicks. He has good coverage skills for a guy who also returns kicks, but he is not on the same level as Claiborne IMO. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but he's not on that level when it comes to coverage. He is a ball hawk though.
Where do you get that Wade is content? He played with what he had & used picks for more desperate need and who can blame his choices of Watt & Reed? A NT takes a tremendous pounding as he blocks 2 and often 3 opponents.

A big NT in 3-4 is like having a big, fast RB in our offense. Smaller guys can do all right but when we got Foster, Tate and Ward we see how that worked much better. Many Texans observers on MB have noted that Wade did well with offense but much of it is fooling the O. That will work for a while but sometime a Power player is needed. Our run defense is predicated on ILBs helping to plug the run to support our NT. Mitchell always looks better when he can go strong at the QB in passing downs and with slides against angle runs. He does not do as well straight up against RBs. This why Cody is the main guy against run. A Poe or Ta'Amu would be great.

Harris is not Claiborne but who is? Still Harris has very good cover skills and could be a shut down corner. He does not like to run to the ball to tackle but I want my CBs to focus on eliminating the pass.
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I don't see NT as being as big an issue as others do. I thought Cody and Mitchell did pretty good. Then we have the old question of whether the big fattie is what Wade wants.

As for the CB, do you really think the Texans will draft those character issues?

Overall though I can't argue with the positions plugged.
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Why do we need a 'huge' NT? What impression has Wade given that he needs a 335 lb guy in the middle? We just finished 4th in the league in run defense and held Ray Rice to 60 yds on 21 carries in a road playoff game.

Wade seems perfectly content to run with smaller guys (if 300 is small) because that's how he likes to run his front. Why not a guy like Jerel Worthy, who is a much better prospect?

I don't really see NT as an immediate need, unless you're talking about a mid-round prospect for depth.

As for Cliff Harris, I think people overrate his coverage skills because he can return kicks. He has good coverage skills for a guy who also returns kicks, but he is not on the same level as Claiborne IMO. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but he's not on that level when it comes to coverage. He is a ball hawk though.
I've got to agree with Wolverine here. Wade's one gap system relies more on quickness and penetration than just stuffing the line of scrimmage. In the past Wade has always worked with what he has, he does modify his system to fit the talent that he's got to work with so I think he can go either way on the NT issue. I think a guy like Worthy or Brandon Thompson, 2 guys with size and quickness would work well for Wade more so than the huge 2 gap space eaters like Poe or Ta'amu. Josh Chapman is another guy that's big without being huge and strong as an ox that would work in Wade's 1 gap system.


Has anyone actually seen Poe play, in person at the game, on television, or in game internet video? I can't find anything on this guy when I do a Google search. I see lots of interview and weight lifting but no game footage. Could someone please post a link if you've found some game tape of him playing, I'd really like to see what he can do. I can't support a 1st round pick on a player I've never seen play.
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I really want the Texans to take a late pick on a change of pace speed back like
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I've got to agree with Wolverine here. Wade's one gap system relies more on quickness and penetration than just stuffing the line of scrimmage. In the past Wade has always worked with what he has, he does modify his system to fit the talent that he's got to work with so I think he can go either way on the NT issue. I think a guy like Worthy or Brandon Thompson, 2 guys with size and quickness would work well for Wade more so than the huge 2 gap space eaters like Poe or Ta'amu. Josh Chapman is another guy that's big without being huge and strong as an ox that would work in Wade's 1 gap system.


Has anyone actually seen Poe play, in person at the game, on television, or in game internet video? I can't find anything on this guy when I do a Google search. I see lots of interview and weight lifting but no game footage. Could someone please post a link if you've found some game tape of him playing, I'd really like to see what he can do. I can't support a 1st round pick on a player I've never seen play.
Exactly, thank you. When he first came in Wade said he had no issue with who we have at NT. It's the fans who seem to think there's a problem and, IMO, it's because many of you think that it's a must that you have a big 'space-eating' guy in the middle when running a 3-4. Not true. Wade runs a different system than Pittsburgh, San Diego, etc.

His front is predicated on big guys who can stop the run but also rush the passer. Hence Watt, Smith, Cody, etc. A 335 lb guy isn't going to create much pass rush. I think a guy like Worthy is definitely someone they would target if NT was a need, but I don't really see it as one.
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I really wanted Taiwan Jones last year.

I would take a back in a similar mode this year too.
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Either he or Demps would be cool with me...
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I'll take the most talented NT over the biggest every time. Wolverine is right. The obsession with size at that position is ridiculous around here. Like I've been saying all season long, give me Brandon Thompson.

If you think Poe is the best guy, you take him. But you don't take him just because of how big he is, especially when there are better players still out there.
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Exactly, thank you. When he first came in Wade said he had no issue with who we have at NT. It's the fans who seem to think there's a problem and, IMO, it's because many of you think that it's a must that you have a big 'space-eating' guy in the middle when running a 3-4. Not true. Wade runs a different system than Pittsburgh, San Diego, etc.

His front is predicated on big guys who can stop the run but also rush the passer. Hence Watt, Smith, Cody, etc. A 335 lb guy isn't going to create much pass rush. I think a guy like Worthy is definitely someone they would target if NT was a need, but I don't really see it as one.
Just curious, what was he supposed to say? "I prefer a bigger player but I got stuck with these and I have plans already for the draft picks to shore up other areas."

I have pushed for a big nasty but do not say it's a must. I believe a big NT that is in shape (not a Hainesworth fattie) can absorb more of the damage received than a Mitchell type. I don't see either of our NTs putting much pressure on QB. Those that can shut down the run AND disrupt the QB are rare imo. I really want a NT to tie up 2-3 blockers every play, if he can collapse the pocket even better. Just don't see Cody or Mitchell doing that.
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Just curious, what was he supposed to say?
You are reading way too much into it. If the guys says he likes who we have there then he likes who we have there.

And Mitchell lived in the backfield against Cincy.
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