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Old 09-02-2011   #441
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Jake Long, drafted #1 overall by the Dolphins. 3 times to the Pro Bowl. 1 time first team All Pro. Started every game since drafted.

Ryan Clady, drafted #12 overall by the Broncos. 1 Pro Bowl and 1 time first team All Pro. Started every game since drafted.

Chris Williams, drafted #14 overall by the Bears. Has had some problems. Last year started 13 games as their left guard. (I was hoping we'd get this guy; I didn't think Clady would fall to us.)

Gosder Cherilous, drafted #17 overall by the Lions. Plays RT. Has missed games every year.

Jeff Otah, drafted #19 by the Panthers. Plays RT. Has missed games every year and missed all of 2010.

Sam Baker, drafted #21 by the Falcons. Considered by some to be "the most NFL ready" but with a low ceiling. He's the Falcons starting LT.

Duane's turned out pretty good.
Don't forget Brandon Alberts who has bounced from LT to guard and a couple other spots on the line. Love this pick.
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He's turned into a solid enough player after a few seasons. He wasn't worth his pick when we drafted him, and that's why it's a bad pick. He was more of a developmental pick than anyone is saying. He's a solid player but it was a bad pick. You take those guys in the 3rd round or so. Patriots with Ryan Mallet, Texans with Seth Wand. Thankfully we had Alex Gibbs to teach Brown. Competent coaching helps, because Brown was no better of a prospect coming out than Seth Wand. When there is a name attached to what I've been saying for years, I hope it makes sense to some people. You don't draft Seth Wand in the first round.
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He's turned into a solid enough player after a few seasons. He wasn't worth his pick when we drafted him, and that's why it's a bad pick. He was more of a developmental pick than anyone is saying. He's a solid player but it was a bad pick. You take those guys in the 3rd round or so. Patriots with Ryan Mallet, Texans with Seth Wand. Thankfully we had Alex Gibbs to teach Brown. Competent coaching helps, because Brown was no better of a prospect coming out than Seth Wand. When there is a name attached to what I've been saying for years, I hope it makes sense to some people. You don't draft Seth Wand in the first round.
What?

Sounds like you're trying to justify something you may have said about the pick because your post didn't make a lot of sense.
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He's turned into a solid enough player after a few seasons. He wasn't worth his pick when we drafted him, and that's why it's a bad pick. He was more of a developmental pick than anyone is saying. He's a solid player but it was a bad pick. You take those guys in the 3rd round or so. Patriots with Ryan Mallet, Texans with Seth Wand. Thankfully we had Alex Gibbs to teach Brown. Competent coaching helps, because Brown was no better of a prospect coming out than Seth Wand. When there is a name attached to what I've been saying for years, I hope it makes sense to some people. You don't draft Seth Wand in the first round.
Can't really say any of that is true unless you had access to all 32 draft boards from 2008. The fact he developed into a good tackle by year two only makes this more wrong. It's okay to admit you were wrong about a pick.
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Can't really say any of that is true unless you had access to all 32 draft boards from 2008. The fact he developed into a good tackle by year two only makes this more wrong. It's okay to admit you were wrong about a pick.
I've been wrong about plenty. He's not a "good" LT. He's good enough. He's someone the Texans should have no hesitation to draft over if a LT is available.
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I've been wrong about plenty. He's not a "good" LT. He's good enough. He's someone the Texans should have no hesitation to draft over if a LT is available.
I disagree.

LT's play an important position and it doesn't make a lot if sense to get rid of a good young one and pray the rookie you bring in isn't s bust.

Maybe give him some good competition, but to just draft over a guy that has been as steady as brown and knows the system well and is a good run blocker would be foolish IMO.

Brown may not be dominant, but for the most part he's been a part of a line that has kept Matt from getting killed all while facing some of the leagues best pass rushers. Brown should be a staple on this line for a long time to come.
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I've been wrong about plenty. He's not a "good" LT. He's good enough. He's someone the Texans should have no hesitation to draft over if a LT is available.
I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over the rushing title and passing title our respective position players have gotten the last two years.
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He's turned into a solid enough player after a few seasons. He wasn't worth his pick when we drafted him, and that's why it's a bad pick. He was more of a developmental pick than anyone is saying. He's a solid player but it was a bad pick. You take those guys in the 3rd round or so. Patriots with Ryan Mallet, Texans with Seth Wand. Thankfully we had Alex Gibbs to teach Brown. Competent coaching helps, because Brown was no better of a prospect coming out than Seth Wand. When there is a name attached to what I've been saying for years, I hope it makes sense to some people. You don't draft Seth Wand in the first round.
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I've been wrong about plenty. He's not a "good" LT. He's good enough. He's someone the Texans should have no hesitation to draft over if a LT is available.
LMAO..

I came in here to bump this thread and forgot it was already bumped earlier in the season....was even more shocked to see you were still bashing the pick clearly after it become apparent that Duane Brown was a HELLUVA good pick.

So are you finally able to admit that you were wrong about the caliber of player Brown is and how you completely over blew his "project status". Duane Brown was never even really a project player. He was a player that needed to get his stamina up to the NFL level and a player that had to grow into the league....just like every other player that gets drafted.

Didn't you say you were going to school to be a scout? ...I wonder how that's working out.

Anyways this thread is funny and they're are some ridiculous responses in it. I loved how the great Texan online jersey thief was ready to jump off a ledge right after the pick was made. I'm sure he's posting under another alias now and wonder how he feels about the pick now. Maybe he can order me one of Brown's jerseys??? It'll be C.O.D. for sure though.

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Anyways this thread is funny and they're are some ridiculous responses in it. I loved how the great Texan online jersey thief was ready to jump off a ledge right after the pick was made. I'm sure he's posting under another alias now and wonder how he feels about the pick now. Maybe he can order me one of Brown's jerseys??? It'll be C.O.D. for sure though.
Man I hope not, good riddance to bad trash. What username do you think he is using?
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... & I hear he (Duane) has a nasty mean streak
You know.. you hear people saying, "I wouldn't want to mess with this guy, or that guy" all the time. A lot of times with athletes, it's just because they're athletes.

Last week, I think, after Jay Ratliff got into it with a reporter, Rob Ryan says, "I wouldn't want to mess with Rat."

Most of the time, I'm thinking, "screw him, he ain't that bad."

Like Ratliff.... I'd take my chances.

But Duane Brown.... in all honesty, I wouldn't want to be standing in front of him on a bad day.
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YTF, it's time to realize that "draft value" is a pretty meaningless metric. Brown is a good player, and that's all that matters now. the focus of a draft for any team is to get players who will play well for you, not to achieve some sort of perfect idealized image of "value" from those picks.
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if he turns into a franchise LT, i'll eat my texans hat live on webcam.
In my best Judge Smails voice..."WELL...we're waiting!"
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Duane Brown was Alex Gibbs gift to the Texans much like JJ Watt is via Wade Phillips. Both are old school football players, without flash & hype they give Texans production week in & week out.
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Duane Brown was Alex Gibbs gift to the Texans much like JJ Watt is via Wade Phillips. Both are old school football players, without flash & hype they give Texans production week in & week out.
I think there was 7 OTs taken in the first round in 2008 . Brown is easily the best value .

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Duane Brown was Alex Gibbs gift to the Texans...
Either that or he was the very last available OT with a 1st or 2nd round grade.

I remember lusting after Clady ... then Albert ... then Williams ... then just praying we got any one of the OTs. Draftniks thought Duane had a low ceiling -- Gibbs said "Don't worry, he'll be fine."
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I've been wrong about plenty. He's not a "good" LT. He's good enough. He's someone the Texans should have no hesitation to draft over if a LT is available.
He's been a very good LT. It's alright to admit that you were wrong on that now in hind sight. I was wrong myself. I hated the pick. I'm glad that I was wrong though. We ended up getting a pretty good LT. Brown didn't need to become an elite LT that makes Pro Bowls every season for this pick to have turned out to be a really good one. Brown has been a pleasant surprise.
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I used to argue long and hard with YTF about Duane Brown.
I used to argue long and hard with CB (and a few others) about Chris Myers.

I'm still arguing long and hard with ... about ...

Can't wait for 2013!
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I used to argue long and hard with YTF about Duane Brown.
I used to argue long and hard with CB (and a few others) about Chris Myers.

I'm still arguing long and hard with ... about ...

Can't wait for 2013!
you ever do anything long & hard concerning Okoye?
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you ever do anything long & hard concerning Okoye?
Nothing of the sort!

Never sing him, never hate him.

Didn't watch him in college.
Didn't have an opinion on him.

It was the year after that I started looking hard into the draft.

Somebody made an avatar and I thought it's cool to support a player.
That's about it.

A couple years ago, when CB complained about Okoye during TC, I simply said "forget about where he was drafted", "he isn't great, but he's not a bust".
No, he doesn't play up to his draft status, but he can still be a part of the defense while we continue to plug other holes.

He's still playing the same for the Bears.
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