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Old 12-21-2011   #21
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I think this guy will be a steal for someone later in the draft.

4.5 / 40 will hold him back in the draft.

http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-foot..._junior00.html


Why? Just curious as I never heard of him. Great YPC but not many passes thrown to him is that because of QB? The following is interesting;
Kenneth Earl "Junior" Hemingway, Jr. (born December 27, 1988) is an American football wide receiver playing his redshirt senior season in 2011 for the Michigan Wolverines football team. He is the team leader in receptions and receiving yards. After totaling 593 receiving yards in 2010, Hemingway was expected to standout in the pro-style offense implemented during his 2011 senior season. He surpassed his prior yardage total, but not by much. At the conclusion of the regular season he ranked in the top 10 of the Football Bowl Subdivision in yards per reception and first in the Big Ten Conference. He was a 2011 All-Big Ten honorable mention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_Hemingway

Maybe he should play defense as this from Scout.com:

His junior season, Junior Hemingway caught 52 passes for 846 yards and 10 touchdowns. On defense he made four interceptions in just four games.
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Grouping 1, Rd.1

Floyd, Blackmon, Jeffries

Wright, Jones

Grouping 2, Rd.2

Streeter (If character checks out) Toon, Aaron Dobson (If he comes out) Late 2nd early 3rd.

Grouping 3, Rd3

AJ Jenkins, Joe Adams, Jarius Wright, DeVier Posey, Rishard Matthews

Grouping 4 Rd. 4

McNutt, Broyles, Hilton, Fuller, Jermaine Kearse, Criner, Jordan White

Grouping 5 Rd.5 Maze, Keyshawn Martin, BJ Cunningham,

Grouping 6/7 Rd.6 Patrick Edwards, Lance Lewis, Greg Chlds, James Rodgers, Derek Moye, Thomas Mayo, and last but not least CC's guy Hemingway

Overall one of the deepest WR classes in a long time. However the top end talent doesn't match up with some previous classes. IMHO
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Why? Just curious as I never heard of him. Great YPC but not many passes thrown to him is that because of QB? The following is interesting;
Kenneth Earl "Junior" Hemingway, Jr. (born December 27, 1988) is an American football wide receiver playing his redshirt senior season in 2011 for the Michigan Wolverines football team. He is the team leader in receptions and receiving yards. After totaling 593 receiving yards in 2010, Hemingway was expected to standout in the pro-style offense implemented during his 2011 senior season. He surpassed his prior yardage total, but not by much. At the conclusion of the regular season he ranked in the top 10 of the Football Bowl Subdivision in yards per reception and first in the Big Ten Conference. He was a 2011 All-Big Ten honorable mention.
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Maybe he should play defense as this from Scout.com:

His junior season, Junior Hemingway caught 52 passes for 846 yards and 10 touchdowns. On defense he made four interceptions in just four games.

QB was Denard Robinson

CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG INT
Season 133 237 2056 56.1 8.68 77 18


I noticed in Hemmingways stats that returning kicks and punts is not a strong suit, something that is usually required of a receiver who is not a top draft pick.

I didn't see a pro style offense at Mich. Mostly relied on Robinsons athletic abilities.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/insid...3fid%3d6387993

"After all, there seems to be more than a bit of trepidation as to whether or not junior quarterback Denard Robinson (aka "Shoelace") will be able to effectively shift to this new system after bursting onto the national scene last season on the strength of his tremendous running ability. Robinson's skills as a passer were frequently questioned last season, and an inconsistent showing in the Michigan Spring Game didn't do a lot to help alleviate the fears of those worried that Shoelace won't be able to thrive in a more pro-style system."

I'd just like for the Texans to give him (Hemmingway) a look if possible.


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Grouping 1, Rd.1

Floyd, Blackmon, Jeffries

Wright, Jones

Grouping 2, Rd.2

Streeter (If character checks out) Toon, Aaron Dobson (If he comes out) Late 2nd early 3rd.

Grouping 3, Rd3

AJ Jenkins, Joe Adams, Jarius Wright, DeVier Posey, Rishard Matthews

Grouping 4 Rd. 4

McNutt, Broyles, Hilton, Fuller, Jermaine Kearse, Criner, Jordan White

Grouping 5 Rd.5 Maze, Keyshawn Martin, BJ Cunningham,

Grouping 6/7 Rd.6 Patrick Edwards, Lance Lewis, Greg Chlds, James Rodgers, Derek Moye, Thomas Mayo, and last but not least CC's guy Hemingway

Overall one of the deepest WR classes in a long time. However the top end talent doesn't match up with some previous classes. IMHO
i would love for you to be correct about McNutt and Broyles as I would trade down and draft both in a heart beat.
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You didn't have enough tight ends!
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You didn't have enough tight ends!
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Fleener would be a nice addition. I know everyone hates it but TE is going to get looked at in this draft, especially if Dreessen isn't re-signed.
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One guy I haven't seen anyone mention is

Jarrett Boykin, Virginia Tech, 6-2, 220, 4.55, SR … Big-play receiver who is a physical mismatch for a lot of DBs, especially smaller corners; has averaged over 17 yards per reception in his career and caught 53 passes last fall; has long arms and huge hands and can pluck the ball out of the air; will also make the tough catch in traffic, but will also drop the occasional gimme; also a good leaper with a reported vertical of almost 37 inches and has good body control and adjusts well to balls in the air; not all that fast, but is a long strider with an extra gear when the ball is in the air; decent runner after the catch with a thick lower body who is difficult to drag down in the open field; however, doesn’t create a lot of separation and doesn’t run particularly crisp routes.

Has no one watched this guy or did he not impress any of you? When I watched VT play UNC (I was checkling out jones) Boykin impressed me jones did not.
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One guy I haven't seen anyone mention is

Jarrett Boykin, Virginia Tech, 6-2, 220, 4.55, SR … Big-play receiver who is a physical mismatch for a lot of DBs, especially smaller corners; has averaged over 17 yards per reception in his career and caught 53 passes last fall; has long arms and huge hands and can pluck the ball out of the air; will also make the tough catch in traffic, but will also drop the occasional gimme; also a good leaper with a reported vertical of almost 37 inches and has good body control and adjusts well to balls in the air; not all that fast, but is a long strider with an extra gear when the ball is in the air; decent runner after the catch with a thick lower body who is difficult to drag down in the open field; however, doesn’t create a lot of separation and doesn’t run particularly crisp routes.

Has no one watched this guy or did he not impress any of you? When I watched VT play UNC (I was checkling out jones) Boykin impressed me jones did not.
Later round guy that looked good last night but reminds me of Jacoby for some reason. He is slow, probably in the 4.65 range which if he was TE would be slightly more reasonable. His career receptions are about what Kendall Wright or Jordan White got this one season.

What did you think about Dwight Jones? Seemed to have an off night.
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i would love for you to be correct about McNutt and Broyles as I would trade down and draft both in a heart beat.
Two of those in grouping #4 will be there in rd. 4.

I would guess Broyles, Fuller and White. White is very underrated. IMHO
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Two of those in grouping #4 will be there in rd. 4.

I would guess Broyles, Fuller and White. White is very underrated. IMHO
Yeah White being fom a small school will scare some GMs off. He sure looks good in film though.
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Yeah White being fom a small school will scare some GMs off. He sure looks good in film though.
If you were to group the WR's, what would your groupjngs look like?

I would like for the group mockers to each individully give their groupings and then their combined groupings. If y'all have the time.
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In no particular order per grouping:

Group 1, round 1- Blackmon, Jeffery, Floyd
Group 2, round 1/2- Wright, Toon
Group 3, round 2- Jones, Sanu, Randle
Group 4, round 3- McNutt, Streeter, Jenkins, Fuller
Group 5, round 4- Kearse, Broyles, Hilton, Quick
Group 6, round 5- Adams, Jenkins, White, Maze, Wright, Cunningham
Group 7, round 6- Posey, Robinson, Childs, Criner, Moye, Matthews
Group 8, round 7- Owusu, Boykin, Martin, Nelson
Group 9, round 7/UDFA- About a dozen more guys fit in here
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I could see the Texans reaching for Streeter at the bottom of rd.2 and taking either Broyles or Hilton as a slot WR in rd.4.

The value picks to me based on your groupings are White and Maze in Rd.5 I'm not sue they're not as good as group 5, Rd 4 guys.

Nice grouping, have you seen Aaron Dobson play, that guy is a real sleeper if he comes out. I would add him to the group 2-3 ranking. He and Streeter a 2 huge wildcards for WR needy teams like the Texans.
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In no particular order per grouping:

Group 1, round 1- Blackmon, Jeffery, Floyd
Group 2, round 1/2- Wright, Toon
Group 3, round 2- Jones, Sanu, Randle
Group 4, round 3- McNutt, Streeter, Jenkins, Fuller
Group 5, round 4- Kearse, Broyles, Hilton, Quick
Group 6, round 5- Adams, Jenkins, White, Maze, Wright, Cunningham
Group 7, round 6- Posey, Robinson, Childs, Criner, Moye, Matthews
Group 8, round 7- Owusu, Boykin, Martin, Nelson
Group 9, round 7/UDFA- About a dozen more guys fit in here
To save time I will go with 65 but add my changes. Toon will be taken in second but I grade him as a 3rd. I also have Wright higher than Jones and Sanu and personally think he will be better than all but Blackmon. I think McNutt will go late 2nd with Broyle (if healthy) going round 3. White I cannot place yet. He is the WR to Case Keenum QB in that will he translate to NFL.

If we gamble on a WR in a later round just because we think he will be avail, that could be a big mistake. This draft should allow us to take the next step in becoming a dynasty team. Yeah we could hit on another Arian Foster but I'd rather the ods be on my side in top 3 rounds at least. This week of bowls wil present useful info on many of these guys. For example Dwight Jones had a rough outing last night and moved down my board.

IMO, WR2 is our priority need & we have chance to nail that down. In fact, we might get starting WRs in 1st & second.
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I could see the Texans reaching for Streeter at the bottom of rd.2 and taking either Broyles or Hilton as a slot WR in rd.4.
Streeter has alot of unpolished physical talent thus I could see alot of teams reaching for him in the 2nd round. He's a very tempting risk in the 2nd round and I wouldn't be opposed to this idea. The Combine will be very important for Streeter so that he can show his talent against other more polished WR on a neutral field. If we're going to take this risk and drop WR to the 2nd round then we'd better go after some stud O-line help in the 1st round.

I'm not totally opposed to BB's idea of taking a starting WR in the 1st and 2nd round but we've got to find some quality O-line help somewhere. Waiting til the late 3rd for O-line help is hoping that someone good will fall and that's risky. I also don't see us having much money or being much of a player in FA this year with Myers, Williams, Dreesen, Allen, Foster, etc... all needing to be re-signed.
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Later round guy that looked good last night but reminds me of Jacoby for some reason. He is slow, probably in the 4.65 range which if he was TE would be slightly more reasonable. His career receptions are about what Kendall Wright or Jordan White got this one season.

What did you think about Dwight Jones? Seemed to have an off night.
Looked good last night? Wasn't aware they played last night. Did I miss something? Don't see the comparison to JJ at all. They are nothing alike in anyway. As far as his speed goes I have no idea. Depends on where you get your info from. We will find out for sure at the combine.

No offense but comparing career receptions is silly. He plays for VT. Not exactly the run and shoot. Last season was the first in 15 that they averaged more than 200 yards passing per game. Not to mention there is probably not a single person here that is not a VT fan that could even name their QB. And he has broken every receiving record there is there. Dont really see how he could of done more.

Link to highlights of VT vs UNC game

I know this will sound ridiculous but he reminds me alot of Andre Johnson coming out minus the speed. He is a big physical WR that is hard to bring down. He has great hands but is prone to drop some easy ones. He is very soft spoken as you will see in this article.

LINK

"I don't like the attention too much," Boykin said, "because when people get caught up in the attention, that's when they start getting big-headed, start lacking focus and think everything's going to come easy. I've always had to work hard for everything."

Big, huge hands, low key, hard working, makes the tough catch, really good yac, solid blocker. If he can run in the 4.5's could be a steal later in the draft.


As for Jones, he looked ok. Just not as good as Boykin.
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Jordan White had another great game today against Purdue. (Didn't get to see it) Numbers were outstanding.

This Guy just knows how to get open.

Currently watching NC St. vs Louisville, Graham is fast and appears to have good hands. This is the 1st time I've seen him play. But it looks like he could be a good slot WR and KR.
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Jordan White had another great game today against Purdue. (Didn't get to see it) Numbers were outstanding.

This Guy just knows how to get open.

Currently watching NC St. vs Louisville, Graham is fast and appears to have good hands. This is the 1st time I've seen him play. But it looks like he could be a good slot WR and KR.
White just gets to the ball. Unbelievable stats and ball skills.
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