Wade IS More Valuable Than Kubiak

[gary]

Originally Posted by DiscoTuna

You mean like you?

"That is just all there is to it"

worthless thread due to a worthless post.

If Santa did not get you what you wanted then take it up with him not me. Other posters have provided the facts in this thread, so why repeat them? SMH.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by gary

I would not want Wade as HC but Gary should be shown the door along with Rick.

Gary & Rick?

Wow.

during our 7 game win streak, winning against all odds, I thought we had a very talented team. I thought we had a chance to win the Super Bowl.

We lose two games & now we want to run Gary & Rick out of town before we have an opportunity to lose our home play-off game?

Wow.... Freak'n Wow.

[thunderkyss]

Nevermind

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by DiscoTuna

You mean like you?

"That is just all there is to it"

worthless thread due to a worthless post.

Merry Christmas, friend.

Hopefully this holiday season hasn't been so unkind to you that you can't show some respect to the other board members here.

If you disagree with the original post, perhaps you could explain why in measured terms, rather than simply attacking the poster.

[gary]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Gary & Rick?

Wow.

during our 7 game win streak, winning against all odds, I thought we had a very talented team. I thought we had a chance to win the Super Bowl.

We lose two games & now we want to run Gary & Rick out of town before we have an opportunity to lose our home play-off game?

Wow.... Freak'n Wow.

Overall I just do think they are good enough not just because of this year.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by asleep

You sure about that ..... ?

Landry was 25-53-4 in his first 6 years,

Noll was 43-40-1 in his first 6 years,

Kubiak is 47-48 in his first 6 years.

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

Exactly right.

And, by the way, Noll won his first Super Bowl in his sixth year.

On the other hand, Tom Landry didn't accomplish a .500 season record until his sixth year.

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

On the other hand, Tom Landry didn't accomplish a .500 season record until his sixth year.

But, again, he didn't have the advantage of free agency.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

But, again, he didn't have the advantage of free agency.

that no free agency "point" is a red herring.

Back when Landry started out, as you and Steel correctly stated, there was no free agency.


But think about it; you could see no FA as a plus. Without the threat of free agency you could collect a group of solid players through the draft and not worry about them bouncing to another team in the FA mkt. And back then (1960-1967) the draft had 20 rounds.

Like both Landry and Knoll did, if you had decent scouts, you could collect a solid talent base for your team and depend on keeping it for the long haul. ...unless THEY (the HC and/or GM) decided to trade it away.

So that "no free agency" thing can be a help or a hinderance.... depends on how savvy your organization is.

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

that no free agency "point" is a red herring.

Back when Landry started out, as you and Steel correctly stated, there was no free agency.


But think about it; you could see no FA as a plus. Without the threat of free agency you could collect a group of solid players through the draft and not worry about them bouncing to another team in the FA mkt. And back then (1960-1967) the draft had 20 rounds.

Like both Landry and Knoll did, if you had decent scouts, you could collect a solid talent base for your team and depend on keeping it for the long haul. ...unless THEY (the HC and/or GM) decided to trade it away.

So that "no free agency" thing can be a help or a hinderance.... depends on how savvy your organization is.

I wouldn't call it a red herring. It's a fact that you can turn an organization around more quickly now with free agency than you could simply building through the draft.

However, it is true that you could build a dynasty more easily by keeping the players you wanted to keep.

Chuck Noll was the beneficiary of some incredible drafts in the early '70s, including the 1974 draft which is commonly considered the best draft of all time for a single franchise and saw four future Hall of Famers taken by the Steelers: Lynn Swann, John Stallworth, Jack Lambert, and Mike Webster.

So then the question becomes: how much influence did Landry have over the selections in the drafts engineered by Tex Schramm and Gil Brandt?

[Playoffs]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

that no free agency "point" is a red herring.

Agree. Free agency is much more about GMs & owners -- we're talking about the head coach, here.

But here's the free agent "help" Kubiak has received:

2007: RB Ahman Green,LB Danny Clark,SS Michael Boulware,OT Jordan Black,DT Jeff Zgonina,LB Shawn Barber,QB Matt Schaub,CB Jamar Fletcher,WR André Davis

2008: RB Chris Brown, RB Marcel Shipp, WR Tim Carter, TE Ryan Krause, C Chris Myers, OLB Rosevelt Colvin, OLB Chaun Thompson, OLB Kevin Bentley, CB Jacques Reeves, CB Jimmy Williams, S Nick Ferguson.

2009: QB Rex Grossman, QB Dan Orlovsky, G Adrian Jones, DE Antonio Smith, DT Shaun Cody, OLB Cato June, OLB Khary Campbell, ILB Buster Davis, CB Cletis Gordon, CB Deltha O'Neal.

2010: G/C Wade Smith, OLB Danny Clark, K Neil Rackers.

We see how much high caliber free agents can help in 2011 -- playoffs.

[Nitrofish]

The thing is life is about balance. And often times it takes the right chemistry to make a winner. To say that Phillips is MORE valuable than Kubiak is silly for a number of reasons, and I really do not understand what it has to do with anything anyway. Are you trying to setup a replace Kubiak with Phillips thread?

I have not been reading or posting here all season as I am a member on the official board, and even the Kubiak haters there were forced to tone down their rhetoric during the 7 game win streak. Probably the same thing happened here, but now that two games have been lost to inferior teams the rhetoric is ramping up again.

All of this even before the first playoff game has been played which seems to be a bit of the "Chicken Little" syndrome that most Schaub and Kubiak haters suffer from. Trying to be ahead of the curve. I think all of this talk is for off season after the chips have fallen, not just before a playoff run.

[dream_team]

Wade is a defensive genius, Kubiak is an offensive genius... both are/were mediocre head coaches. No Wade, the defense struggles. No Kubiak, the offense will struggle. So is the OP simply saying defense is more important than offense?

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

The thing is life is about balance. And often times it takes the right chemistry to make a winner. To say that Phillips is MORE valuable than Kubiak is silly for a number of reasons, and I really do not understand what it has to do with anything anyway. Are you trying to setup a replace Kubiak with Phillips thread?

I have not been reading or posting here all season as I am a member on the official board, and even the Kubiak haters there were forced to tone down their rhetoric during the 7 game win streak. Probably the same thing happened here, but now that two games have been lost to inferior teams the rhetoric is ramping up again.

All of this even before the first playoff game has been played which seems to be a bit of the "Chicken Little" syndrome that most Schaub and Kubiak haters suffer from. Trying to be ahead of the curve. I think all of this talk is for off season after the chips have fallen, not just before a playoff run.

Not a Gary hater, he's just not a good NFL HC.

Regardless of the excuses Garys record (without Wade) is what it is.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Not a Gary hater, he's just not a good NFL HC.

Regardless of the excuses Garys record (without Wade) is what it is.

Kubiak's offense - Wade's defense = 2010 6-10 season
Wade's defense - Kubiak's offense = this year's Jaguars or Wade's 1-7 record with the Cowboys in 2010 (although, I admit that might not be totally fair; I really think Jason Garrett sabotaged Wade )
Wade's defense + Kubiak's offense = First Division Championship.
This ain't broke. Please don't try and "fix it"
May McNair find a way to keep them both together.

[Nitrofish]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

Not a Gary hater, he's just not a good NFL HC.

Regardless of the excuses Garys record (without Wade) is what it is.

With all due respect, his record as an NFL HC is definitely better than your record as an NFL HC yes?

[steelbtexan]

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

With all due respect, his record as an NFL HC is definitely better than your record as an NFL HC yes?

BS argument,

What does this have to do with me being a NFL HC.

I'm sure I'm better at my job than Gary is his. Otherwise in the real world I would be on food stamps.

Once again, I like Gary, just not as HC of my favorite team.

[TexansFanatic]

Originally Posted by Nitrofish

With all due respect, his record as an NFL HC is definitely better than your record as an NFL HC yes?

Wah?

Jerry Glanville has won more NFL games than I ever will.

That must mean he's a Hall of Fame coach, right?

[Nitrofish]

Originally Posted by steelbtexan

BS argument,

What does this have to do with me being a NFL HC.

I'm sure I'm better at my job than Gary is his. Otherwise in the real world I would be on food stamps.

Once again, I like Gary, just not as HC of my favorite team.

I think my point is that you and others who second guess Kubiak's decisions all think they would be better as the HC and that the opinions you express are right even though you have never coached an NFL game or even if Kubiak game planned the way SOME fans want him to that it would lead to a win.

In regards to your second comment, we are not talking about your job, but if we were and Kubiak said he knew better than you on what to do, guess what.. I would listen to you since you have the experience. You just made my point.

Are you really telling me that if the Texans had won the last two games it would have made any difference? No.. People would have just said we were supposed to beat them and look at their record. Funny how double standards work. If we win, it's a so what, if we lose it's a OMG!!!

These last games did not matter... We were going to be #3 seed no matter what and to start calling for Kubiak's head is funny. SMH

[TexansFanatic]

I don't have to know how to build a bridge to be able to confirm a bridge is falling down just by looking at it.

[Nitrofish]

Originally Posted by TexansFanatic

Wah?

Jerry Glanville has won more NFL games than I ever will.

That must mean he's a Hall of Fame coach, right?

Wait so now you are trying to twist my words... I never said anything about a hall of fame coach. I said his record was better than the other guys... and guess what... Glanville will always be allot closer to the HOF than you will.

So if Glanville or another other NFL past or present coach talks football, I will listen to them over fans on a message board. I think many of the posters are full of themselves and need a reminder they are a fan, not a coach, not an expert... including me.

Stay on point... do not start drifting away from the topic.