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Old 12-23-2011   #21
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Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?

What's the most important thing right now?
  1. Winning the Super Bowl?
  2. screwing the Colts from drafting Luck?
  3. something other than winning the Super Bowl?
These games are meaningless. How often have you guys told me that?

How many of you thought/think we are going to win the Super Bowl with a rookie QB?

We're in the play-offs, the goal now is to win the Super Bowl. Anything lower is loser mentality, anything less is quiting.

The run game has got to be strong. The defense has got to be stronger if we are going to have a chance. & that doesn't change by putting Delhomme or Garcia in the game.

The best chance we've got is to send Tj out there with the same game plan we ran since Jacksonville@Reliant. Get the ball to Arian, rely on the defense, hope Aj comes back healthy.

I think Tj will stretch the field more consistently in the future....

these are just growing pains.
This wasn't a "meaningless game". This was a milestone game. A chance to exocise another demon - that we can't win in the Peyton's house... even when he doesn't play.

and we GAVE the ball to Foster. And he came through to the tune of 153 yds and a TD on 23 carries. That's 6.6+ yds/carry. The running game was working. T.J. couldn't take full advantage of it.
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That wasn't T.J. that didn't take advantage, it was Kubes and his hideous playcalling.
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Any level headed fan knew that this "next man up" mantra was only going to take us so far before all of our injuries & shortcomings caught up. Only the fringe bandwagoners bought into the team of destiny euphoria that had been circling this board during our 7 game winning streak. I've watched too much NFL football over the last 20 years to know better than to indulge in that crap. You just can't continued to win on a consistent basis enduring the types of set backs we've had in such vital areas.

So yeah, we're likely 1 & done but come next year when we've got everyone back, we'll have alot to look forward to. For now, folks just try to enjoy the leaps forward this team took this year.
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Just too many injuries at key positions , most notably QB.


Here's to Schaub coming back healthy next season
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I want to see what happens if Andre comes back, but yeah as of today as constituted nothings gonna happen.

This is why I prefer a superstar offense over a great defense. A great defense is great but doesn't mean a lick of a shit if you can't score points to win. **** that style of play. **** the Jets.
The Texans have won with great defense all season long, so I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here. They've had the best season of their existence. When you don't let your QB hardly play and handcuff him like that and "expect" your defense to do all of the work, then you're asking to much and the law of averages will catch up with you. We lost because of that.
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I think a lot of people are forgetting that we also beat ATL and Cincy with Yates at QB.
One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.
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One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.
Exactly. I said in another thread I would love to see an open Playbook with Kubes encouraging shots downfield next week. We have really nothing to gain or lose as far as seeding(I think), etc against Tenn so some reps for the youngster would be a good thing. If we lose because he throws too many picks, then so be it but he needs more experience in a real, non-sheltered NFL game. Hell, rest Foster and let Tate and Ward carry the load, win or lose on the arm of Yates.

We are going to have to take chances in the playoffs, so might as well start with that a week early. I know it's a tall order knowing Kubes, but just wishful thinking.
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The Texans have won with great defense all season long, so I have no idea what the hell you're talking about here. They've had the best season of their existence. When you don't let your QB hardly play and handcuff him like that and "expect" your defense to do all of the work, then you're asking to much and the law of averages will catch up with you. We lost because of that.

No, you're wrong. The Texans have won with a complete effort for the most part. When they've won the offense has scored and the defense has held. Both sides have put each other in a position to succeed. The offense gets out ahead early and the defense can pin their ears back. If the offense gets off to a slow start then the defense keeps us from falling behind so the offense can get the kinks worked out.

We've won because we've been balanced and a complete team. Now the offense can't hold up it's side of the bargain anymore. Certain things work well. We ran the ball well last night but clearly Kubiak got spooked with all the turnovers Yates had against Carolina and he's reigned him in considerably. With no credible passing threat our offense can't finish drives and our scoring is down. This puts the defense in a vulnerable position.
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One of those who have forgotten is Gary Kubiak. I would have rather seen the Texans lose due to Yates throwing picks than not even giving him a chance. Ron Paul called and said Kubiak was too conservative. Running the ball 3 times on the Texans last possession and playing for the FG is playing not to lose, rather than playing to win. 6 seasons, and Kubiak has better players and better assistants surrounding him. But he hasn't learned a damn thing about winning football games.
I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?
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I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?
umm i only remember 1 pass attempt in 4 trips. Yeah it was typical kubiak, my problem with it is what do we have to lose, to try to score and REALLY prepare yates for the play-offs. Babying yates is not getting him ready.
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It's the football gods, Herv. The Texans messed with fate by trying to gloss themselves. Everything was going great until they started trying to make up their own nickname. They were overcoming adversity. Rising from the 9 years of mediocre muck to be something greater than anything of the past decade. They had a coach that could outcoach the head coach. They had a lucky 13 talisman that was doing things unheard of for this team.

Then they decided to have a parade.

You don't gloss yourself as a unit/team before you earn it. Nicknames are bestowed upon you because you achieved a status of greatness, usually after winning a meaningful championship.

They gave the football gods a middle finger and those gods turned it around and shoved it up the team's collective butts.

Hey, is all this voodoo and witchcraft real? Probably not. But it certainly makes me feel better than the reality of the situation. Losing to a 1 win Colts was a punch to the gut.

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I have to agree here, he went classic Kubiak shell.. run the ball and when in the red zone don't take chances even when they have 8 in the box.

Did we even throw the ball at all last night in the red zone?
Its on the QB to make pre-snap adjustments when the defense stacks the box ..... Quite possible Yates didnt make the proper adjustments.

We dont know if Kubiak gives him the option to change the play at the line or not .... We do know that Schaub was able to change the play under those circumstances.
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Its on the QB to make pre-snap adjustments when the defense stacks the box ..... Quite possible Yates didnt make the proper adjustments.

We dont know if Kubiak gives him the option to change the play at the line or not .... We do know that Schaub was able to change the play under those circumstances.
There is no way that Yates is allowed to do that Corrosion. Are you kidding me?? Kubiak won't let the man hardly throw the ball down the field, much less call audibles. Hell, he isn't even willing to let Yates throw on 3rd down in a tight game. Kubiak has handcuffed this offense the same way he did his first two seasons here.
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Ahhhh, but just think of next year......our team will have "playoff" experience!

Maybe we'll get lucky and not have to play a team in the playoffs like the Steelers, or the Ravens, or the Patriots.......
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Ahhhh, but just think of next year......our team will have "playoff" experience!

Maybe we'll get lucky and not have to play a team in the playoffs like the Steelers, or the Ravens, or the Patriots.......
and we will have schaub, AJ, maybe mario back. Would have a lot more hope
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We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.


Maybe we can do good in the playoffs. Remember the Packs last season? They were 10-6 and plagued with injuries to key players..Just like us now, and when they got them back (this season) look at what has happened.
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Maybe we can do good in the playoffs. Remember the Packs last season? They were 10-6 and plagued with injuries to key players..Just like us now, and when they got them back (this season) look at what has happened.
Theres no doubt in my mind that we will do great things AGAIN next season, but we are still in this season, and the Packers werent down to their 3rd string QB.
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and we will have schaub, AJ, maybe mario back. Would have a lot more hope
Lol, I hope you know my comment was drenched in the sweaty bowels of sarcasm!
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we need 4 duane browns on the o-line...
yes, but I'd happy with one less Winston. That guy is the Kareem Jackson of the OL. And I'm sure the guys on 610 will continue bob on his knob during his radio show.

I am embarrassed that we lost. But the reality is this team in serious trouble and even though the defense is very good the offense is average at best. I see one and done in the playoffs. All things considered I would not be as dissapointed with the inevitable with all the wheels coming off.
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Default Re: Here's the reality of the situation (It ain't pretty)

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Originally Posted by iLoveTexans View Post
Maybe we can do good in the playoffs. Remember the Packs last season? They were 10-6 and plagued with injuries to key players..Just like us now, and when they got them back (this season) look at what has happened.
Let's be honest about the 2010 Packers situation. Who did the Packers lose? They lost TE Jermichael Finley, RT Mark Tauscher, RB Ryan Grant, OLB Brady Poppinga, MLB Nick Barnett, OLB Brad Jones, and SS Morgan Burnett. Of those injuries, Poppinga and Tauuscher were replaced with Clay Matthews III and Bryan Bulaga who were expected to compete for those positions anyway. Nick Barnett was replaced with AJ Hawk. Ryan Grant was replaced with Brandon Jackson. So really the only places they lost starters were at TE and SS. That's it.

The Packers did not suffer the types of injuries Houston has.
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