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Old 12-18-2011   #41
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at this point in time i dont really like america either no pride in it is what i mean
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So you are Ok with the current state of America ?




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I'm proud of this country no matter which dumb****s are leading us.

But this isn't the proper venue for this discussion, and suffice it to say I wouldn't discuss it in the NSZ either.


So yeah, **** Jeremy Shockey for all his transgressions. But. McNair or somebody else needs to tell these dumbass players how to stand properly during the anthem.
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Gov. and country are two separate entities.

I LOVE my country but I HATE the Gov. (politicians) that are raping it.

No matter how much the Gov. drives this country to the ground I will ALWAYS be proud of my country even if the leaders are shameful.
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(on his touchdown catch) “It was a simple play and I guess what’s his name, Ryans, DeMeco Ryans, what’s his name? DeMeco Ryans couldn’t make the play and it was an easy touchdown. Again, this offense in my opinion is very hard to learn and as a defensive player you have to be on or someone will be open as I was and Cam [Newton] did a good job of finding people open.”
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at this point in time i dont really like america either no pride in it is what i mean

Then GTFO. I'll gladly show your ass the door.
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Gov. and country are two separate entities.

I LOVE my country but I HATE the Gov. (politicians) that are raping it.

No matter how much the Gov. drives this country to the ground I will ALWAYS be proud of my country even if the leaders are shameful.
Good post - pretty much how I feel about the entire situation as well .....


As for those bitching and complaining about the expresion of opinion & thoughts of others - Dont forget that one of those rights we fight for and stand for is freedom of speech .....


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Freedom of speech and expression is one of the cornerstone's of our constitution. Its not like they were sitting for the anthem. Silent protest perhaps... and Shockey probably brought it up to deflect questions about his sophmore behavior thru out the game.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...rn=nfl-wp14153

What a terrible sports writer.

From the article:
"Jeremy Shockey didn't like the way a few Houston Texans players were standing during the national anthem on Sunday and, being Jeremy Shockey, he wasn't shy about sharing his feelings with his opponents.
"I was pretty upset in the way [Texans players] weren't showing respect to America during the national anthem," the Panthers tight end told SportsRadio 610. "There were about 10 players that didn't put their arms across their chest.
"This is America. You should at least respect America."
Shockey later said he told a few of the players about his feeling during the game, yet didn't elaborate on what he said.
A quick look at some image archives shows that the Texans are far from alone in not standing with their hands on their hearts. Here are two, of random shots of Eagles and Titans players during the anthem, and only a few are standing in a pose that would please Shockey. I'd imagine it's the same situation with every single team around the NFL.
As the proud brother of a West Point graduate, I've seen how men and women should stand during the anthem and have found myself increasingly annoyed in recent years by the lack of respect people show during it. But complaining about it is like spitting into the wind.
Frankly, the players are the least of the problem. At least they tend to stand still and respectfully. In the stands it's a different story. There are people cheering before the anthem is over, shouting out words like "Oh!" and "red!" to support their teams, checking their phones and people wearing hats everywhere. I appreciate Shockey standing up for what he believes, yet can't help but think it's a cause long ago lost.
And, dude, if you think a few guys standing around without their hands over their heart is bad, go to Chicago. That's where they scream their heads off during the singing of the anthem and try to pass it off as patriotism."
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Freedom of speech and expression exist but not when you're an employee of a private entity.
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Luv ya Kimmy.

But as US citizens, we have the right to disagree with our government. Personally, I don't think the Texans players are making a political statement here, they're just being football players. Most of whom are making a thousand times as much as they would if they had to actually work for living. This is much ado about nothing as I see it.
Agree 100%.
If it were the Olympic games, then I it might rub me the wrong way.
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Then get the hell out. I'll send you a few hundred bucks for a one-way ticket to wherever the **** you want.

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Then GTFO. I'll gladly show your ass the door.
This sort of thing rubs me the wrong way. It's perfectly within Norg's rights to say something like that, as it absolutely should be. Why should he have to get out for his opinion?

Disagree with him? Sure.

Make him go away? Hmmm
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Default Re: Shockey calls out Texans - they don't love America!

There seems to be a bit of confusion or ignorance by some posters in this trhead. So to clarify, the 1st Amendment establishes that the government cannot prohibit you from speaking your mind or expressing yourself, within certain parameters. It does nothing to prohibit me from calling you a jackass for saying whatever you like. It does nothing to prohibit consumers from raising hell with a team that employs people who disgrace the country. It does nothing to prohibit consumers from withholding purchases of a product (just ask the Dixie Chicks). It does nothing to prohibit Bob McNair from putting a boot in his players' asses for potentially pissing off lots of fans.

So take your 1st Amendment complaints to the government, because this debate has no place for them. The government has not made a statement one way or another, is not coercing anyone to do anything on either side, and is in no way involved. This issue is strictly about behavior that reflects upon an employer and potentially jeopardizes standing with customers. Looking at porn is protected under the 1st Amendment as well, but if a player had a Hustler mag on the sidelines, you know damn well there would be a fuss. Rights are irrelevant to the issue.
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There is probably a rule against having porn on the sidelines, or at least probably something to do with magazines and such. There doesn't appear to be a rule about having your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

Some do it, some don't. So what?

First YouTube that popped up for Super Bowl National Anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhrrGu2rcZ4

Jake Delhomme, for example, wasn't doing it in this (unless his heart is in a strange spot), and may have been one that got Shockey all butthurt today too. Tom Brady is stretching with his hand over his heart. The horror.

Honestly though, all this seems to be is Shockey being his usual douche self and looking for a way to continue trying to trash talk.

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Personally I don't get the whole patriotic ceremonies at sporting events. What does patriotism, etc have to do with sports and how is it different than any other form of entertainment? For example it's not done before concerts, movies, comedy shows, theater plays, etc.

When I am abroad I have often been asked by non-Americans that question since many find it odd and don't make the connection. I just tell them it is a tradition here but never really researched as to why it is done just at sporting events.

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Personally I don't get the whole patriotic ceremonies at sporting events. What does patriotism, etc have to do with sports and how is it different than any other form of entertainment? For example it's not done before concerts, movies, comedy shows, theater plays, etc.

When I am abroad I have often been asked by non-Americans that question since many find it odd and don't make the connection. I just tell them it is a tradition here but never really researched as to why it is done just at sporting events.
I've been asked about it too, and have no real response either. As a matter of fact, I was overseas (Singapore) for that Patriots - Panthers Super Bowl that I linked above, and that is when I was asked, so that's weird. It didn't even register when I checked the video out. I must be more drunk than I thought.

Anyhow, I'd be interested in the reasoning behind it, if there even is any aside from "it has always been like that."
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Read this a while back.

http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/...ves/27805.html

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After America’s entrance into World War I, Major League Baseball games often featured patriotic rituals, such as players marching in formation during pregame military drills and bands playing patriotic songs. During the seventh-inning stretch of game one of the 1918 World Series, the band erupted into “The Star-Spangled Banner.” The Cubs and Red Sox players faced the centerfield flag pole and stood at attention. The crowd, already on their feet, began to sing along and applauded at the end of the song.

Given the positive reaction, the band played the song during the next two games, and when the Series moved to Boston, the Red Sox owner brought in a band and had the song played before the start of each remaining contest. After the war (and after the song was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution in 1931), the song continued to be played, but only on special occasions like opening day, national holidays and World Series games.

During World War II, baseball games again became venues for large-scale displays of patriotism, and technological advances in public address systems allowed songs to be played without a band. “The Star-Spangled Banner” was played before games throughout the course of the war, and by the time the war was over, the pregame singing of the national anthem had become cemented as a baseball ritual, after which it spread to other sports.
tldr: Blame baseball.

The Star Spangled Banner was a baseball tradition before it even became this countries national anthem.

Personally, I think anyone who lets something like this get the better of them should reevaluate their priorities. Different people show patriotism in different ways, and just because they don't stand at attention before a sports event, doesn't make them any less patriotic. I'd rather those guys be worried about how they are going to perform, instead of being in a straight line and placing their hands over their heart.
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Meh. So what? You aren't required to have your hand over your heart for the national anthem. One of the things about living in the US.
So What? Really? So What? You aren't required to say "Yes Sir" or "Yes Ma'am" to your parents either but if you have a single ounce of respect for your parents YOU DO say these things.

I feel pity for you!
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It's tradition to place your hand over your heart when reciting the Pledge of Allegience, not the singing of the National Anthum. Us old schoolers were probably brought up to do both, out of respect for the flag, but, this day and age, most of our kids are not taught to do either. I know this because I fussed at my grandkids for not putting their hand over their hearts during the National Anthum, MANY times, and they always told me, it's not the Pledge so they don't have to. Do I agree? NO! It's called RESPECT, and that word alone has become a word with no meaning.
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Don't get me wrong, I have family who are serving this country, and I'm proud to be from it.... :

However, we're not "America's Team". We're Texans

I'm sure other NFL Teams bands don't play their respective state song like our B.P.P.B. does, I even remember when they used to play Deep In The Heart of Texas during the games a few years ago.
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