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Old 12-18-2011   #21
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Oh, and no story here. People show respect in different ways. I don't put my hand over my heart either.
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I agree, as much as it is their right not to respect the flag, it's as much my right to be annoyed by it.

It didn't really bother me till my daughter entered the Navy. We were lucky enough to attend a "tiger cruise" on her carrier. Watching all those soldiers stop and salute the flag before they came aboard really changed my way of thinking
You're required to when you cross the quarterdeck. This includes quarterdecks that are ashore.

Also sailors, not soldiers!
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I imagine players are contractually held to a standard of conduct -- either by the teams or the league. So if there's really a problem it will be handled by Mr. McNair or Goodell.
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I agree, as much as it is their right not to respect the flag, it's as much my right to be annoyed by it.

It didn't really bother me till my daughter entered the Navy. We were lucky enough to attend a "tiger cruise" on her carrier. Watching all those soldiers stop and salute the flag before they came aboard really changed my way of thinking
Serving our country is good. I did, and I'm glad I did. It allows me a freedom of thought that when I believe our nation is on the wrong track, I can call them out on it not only because it's my right, but also because I gave them a part of my life. I know where you are coming from, and it disturbing that some don't get it. Don't lose your thoughts because of others, just keep in mind that a nation of millions of folks don't all think alike.

And thanks to your daughter for her service. We should all serve our country in one manner or another at some point. The price of freedom is high. You only need ask the continent that contains Russia, China and the Arab countries that one. Those folks are pretty screwed up when it comes to freedom.
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He also called Demeco, "Demario Ryans, or whatever."
Meco must have given him amnesia when he f'ed him up during that scrimage a few years ago.
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Regardless of how you feel about the anthem/how our players act during it, it should be pretty obvious that Shockey was talking smack because Shockey is a pompous dong-smoker. Lame excuse, bro.
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE send e-mails to the Texans and the League. Supposedly he flipped off fans. But I did see him do a blatant crotch grab near the north endzone with about 6:55 left in the game (to the fans).

He had been gesturing to the crowd most of the game, but to me, he should be fined for that. RIGHT in front of a ref who shrugged it off.

If someone can find photos or have it on the DVR....
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Default Re: Shockey calls out Texans - they don't love America!

I'm not worried about Shockey, he's just being himself. I'm worried about the Texans. Thursday we get to see whether or not we're in a protracted funk or not. Thursday can't get here soon enough.
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Default Re: Shockey calls out Texans - they don't love America!

If Shockey was being a devote patriot he wouldn't have been able to notice what are guys were doing.
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Default Re: Shockey calls out Texans - they don't love America!

Unacceptable. And hiding behind some patriotism line for his stupid behavior is just as reasonable as people using religion to justify acts of war. I actually can't believe he didn't draw a penalty for it, how that doesn't qualify as excessive celebration is beyond me. I think some people might remember when the Saints came to town for the training camp a few years ago Shockey and Demeco got into it in the middle of practice. I don't think it would be much to say Jerome Shockey or whatever is a big enough man to let it go. That's the thing about "Amurica" Jeremiah or whatever, we have the right to say and do whatever we like, that's the priveledge. The responsibility, sir, is knowing WHAT to say and HOW to act.

ACT like you've been there before. I think anyone who pays attention to football knows it would be a pretty stunning performance if you pulled off being proffessional.
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shockey is just made cause ryans punched him in his loud mouth acouple years back during saints-texans practice. i dunno if anyone recalls this, but i sure do
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Shockey is a huge POS.

Aside from the taunting on his TD catch and the flipping off of and assorted other obscene gesturing to our fans, on the sidelines he took a water bottle and mimicked pissing on our field!

If that ***hole is lucky enough to get picked up by a team for 2012, I hope it is someone in our division. I'd love to see Demeco, Cush, Connor, and the boys teach him a lesson.
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I agree! It's been reported more than once, twice, three times.

Having had a kid in the Navy and knowing how much they respect that flag, brings it home a little more for me.
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I respect the job our armed forces do ...

That said I believe our govt mis-uses them. All these "Wars" and for what ?
These wars arent about suppressing plans of world domination from people like Hitler , General Hideki Tojo or the Viet Cong .... We have since dismantled Democratic Govt's and replacing them with dictatorships ..... Fighting for natural resources , not democracy .... Fighting for special interest groups in America to profit off of the blood of our children.


Im not all that proud of this country right now .... 9% unemployment , debt up to our eyeballs in reported govt debt of $15trillion .... but the truth is we are $116trillion in debt.

A govt that is begining to rival that of Mexico in its corruption .....


Kids dont even say the pledge in school anymore ..... and we wonder why that flag and what it represents isnt as respected as it once was.
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Default Re: Shockey calls out Texans - they don't love America!

I agree, it is their right to disrespect as much as they want on their own time, but considering they represent an organization in the media spot light, they lose that freedom during "business hours" (are highly compensated for the loss of such freedoms) they look bad the team looks bad.

I do think if you can't respect what this country has given to you (especially if you are a player in the NFL) and the freedom it stands for (the ideals are still there, gov. is what wants to take it away) and can't find it in yourself to show respect if for no other reason than the men and women that have fought died or seen friends die in service of this country, you have some serious issues. (Unless you aren't from here, then you should still go through the motions as a sign of courtesy for the host. IMO)

I do agree you can show your respect in different ways (Head down as if in prayer etc.) so IF true I would be more concerned with their demeanor over were their hands were.
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I'm really torn on this issue. On one hand I'm one of those guys who takes his hat off during the national anthem, and stands up with his right hand over his heart. I also get annoyed when people around me are talking, or being what I consider disrespectful while it's playing.

Now........ in saying that we do live in a country where every person should be free to express themselves however they would like within the requirements of the law. 2 examples of this come to mind. NBA player Chris Jackson aka Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf caused a big stir in 1996 for his refusal to stand and was suspended for it for a game. The league realized that there were issues with the suspension and decided to come to a compromise with Abdul-Rauf standing, closing his eyes, and looking down while the anthem was being played.

The other was the 1968 Olympics where gold medalists Juan Carlos and Tommie Smith raised their fists in a demonstration of unjust human rights during our National Anthem after they won. Both acts are famous in their own right and I'm sure the Texans players involved are not trying to make a statement like these 2 situations. They're free to stand and act however they'd like to in regards to the law. However, Bob McNair is just as free to cut their butts if they don't show the proper amount of respect to the flag as he would like. If the owner wants this taken care of then it will.
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at this point in time i dont really like america either no pride in it is what i mean
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at this point in time i dont really like america either no pride in it is what i mean
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