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Old 12-12-2011   #61
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I was impressed with the Titans' defense & Jake Locker. It's going to be a good game Jan 1

Did you see how WTF Open (Wide the F@#$) Walter was on that last play?

That's freak'n beautiful coaching. Beautiful play call. That defense (top 5??) got beat so bad.
It was a nicely designed play. Things cleared out perfectly for KW. I think it was a zone coverage and the LB just screwed the pooch by not releasing and picking KW up.
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dude add it to a laundry list of bad plays this team made today...

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on and on...


but still get the W
This. Dex, love your insight, but c'mon. This is truly a sign of a good team. One that can overcome some poor play early in the game, but come together with the game on the line.
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Apparently throwing the challenge flag was not a mistake.
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Apparently throwing the challenge flag was not a mistake.
Now how about the "fumble/interception" in the Falcon game?

We need to stop getting these bogus fumble calls.
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Now how about the "fumble/interception" in the Falcon game?

We need to stop getting these bogus fumble calls.
I don't know.... seemed like that fired the boys up, got their heads in the game, settled their resolve. They were pretty much lights out after that.

Both games.
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One of the things that stood out to me was Eric Winston hustling to recover the fumble on that Arian Foster "non fumble" play. The Bengals had the opportunity to fall on the ball at the 3 yard line and tried to pick it up.

Contrast that with Brooks Reed, who after the Connor Barwin sack/strip of Dalton, fell on the ball and didn't even THINK of getting up even though he hadn't been touched. Smart football by the rookie.
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Apparently throwing the challenge flag was not a mistake.
Part of me wishes the NFL would just STFU sometimes. What good does it do to admit a blatant mistake that was not fixed on a challenge?

It's a multi-billion dollar industry with a lot on the line with every game. They need full time refs out there. It seems like they are influencing games way too often these days. And maybe it's just perception, but it does seem like each ref crew has a different way to call games. Reminds me too much of baseball with the blatant fluctuations between different officials.
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One of the things that stood out to me was Eric Winston hustling to recover the fumble on that Arian Foster "non fumble" play. The Bengals had the opportunity to fall on the ball at the 3 yard line and tried to pick it up.

Contrast that with Brooks Reed, who after the Connor Barwin sack/strip of Dalton, fell on the ball and didn't even THINK of getting up even though he hadn't been touched. Smart football by the rookie.
Foster's "fumble" was crazy, we were so lucky to have recovered that - KUDOS to Winston for the hustle. As for Reed, he's playing smart. In general, I love seeing CBs grab an interception only to return it a few yards and go to the grown when other players get close. One of my biggest pet peeves are those guys trying to make a great play even better just to turn it back over again! See the Browns actions during the fumble.

As for Kubiak's "mistakes" this last game, I would strongly disagree.

*When he was going for it on 4th and 2 I was thrilled. It showed he trusts his offense and has some balls that many fans think he lacks. If he would have punted it our tried the field goal, we'd have complainers about him not being aggressive enough.

*As to the challenge.... you HAVE to challenge that play. HAVE TO. I thought it was a clear incomplete pass... even when plays are that close and your not sure if you'll win or not, sometimes you have to gamble because of the importance of that play. We were down by 9, I believe with 11 minutes to play. It would have been 2nd and 10 from our 25 yd line if it was incomplete. Luckily we got a 1st down due to the change of possessions, but that's 1st and 10 from our 2 yard line. HAVE to challenge that play.
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Part of me wishes the NFL would just STFU sometimes. What good does it do to admit a blatant mistake that was not fixed on a challenge?

It's a multi-billion dollar industry with a lot on the line with every game. They need full time refs out there. It seems like they are influencing games way too often these days. And maybe it's just perception, but it does seem like each ref crew has a different way to call games. Reminds me too much of baseball with the blatant fluctuations between different officials.
Replays shouldn't be done by refs on site. They need a Central Command for NFL replays, where league officials and rules experts are on standby every play. It would cost about $5 to stick the head of officiating in a closet with a laptop. Just do it.
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Part of me wishes the NFL would just STFU sometimes. What good does it do to admit a blatant mistake that was not fixed on a challenge?

It's a multi-billion dollar industry with a lot on the line with every game. They need full time refs out there. It seems like they are influencing games way too often these days. And maybe it's just perception, but it does seem like each ref crew has a different way to call games. Reminds me too much of baseball with the blatant fluctuations between different officials.
I think it helps set precedent for similar plays in the future, which should help prevent further bad calls.

I have no problem with them issuing rulings on close calls after the fact. It's a shame they can't get it right in the first place though.
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Replays shouldn't be done by refs on site. They need a Central Command for NFL replays, where league officials and rules experts are on standby every play. It would cost about $5 to stick the head of officiating in a closet with a laptop. Just do it.
With today's technology, that is a very possible scenario. I like it, too. Let the officials on the field stay on the field. Outside officials can communicate with them remotely on these kinds of calls.

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I think it helps set precedent for similar plays in the future, which should help prevent further bad calls.

I have no problem with them issuing rulings on close calls after the fact. It's a shame they can't get it right in the first place though.
Good point, and why I said "part of me...". I understand the need to clarify calls, but it just aggravates the crap out of me when it seemed so freakin' obvious. Even my 9 yo son was ranting about it when it happened. I never saw the ambiguity. Foster never had control of the ball.
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The refs had our backs though. Didn't call any of Winston's 800 false starts that weren't on the last drive.
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The refs had our backs though. Didn't call any of Winston's 800 false starts that weren't on the last drive.
I only noticed one on the last drive.

I hope we don't get this crew or the one from the Atlanta game in playoffs. They both made / missed horrible calls.


Funny thing, I never worried about us losing this game. At half-time I said we wouldn't keep the #1 ranked D at the rate they were giving up yards. But I wasn't worried about them not pulling it out.
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with regards to fosters 'fumble', id add the congrats to winston for getting back to recover it but if you rewatch the play and just focus on following myers, he made an amazing play. he waaay downfield- was the olineman furthest down the field and there were other guys alot closer than him when the fumble happened... yet was the guy that made it back to blast the lb'er

amazing hussle play

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I only noticed one on the last drive.

I hope we don't get this crew or the one from the Atlanta game in playoffs. They both made / missed horrible calls.


Funny thing, I never worried about us losing this game. At half-time I said we wouldn't keep the #1 ranked D at the rate they were giving up yards. But I wasn't worried about them not pulling it out.
Obviously wasn't 800, but there was definitely more than one. There was just one really bad one (last play).
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After I got home (sorry I couldn't make it to Bubba's), I threw my drink, nay, adult beverage whenever they said that Arian's drop was a fumble.. Really?? What was the whole explanation a couple of years ago when they said "possesion and then make a 'football move'" WTF??
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