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Old 10-11-2005   #21
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Any new coach will postpone a winning season by 2-3 seasons, maybe more if we swap coaches now.

Then look at the cleveland browns, that is our future.

I think it would be a big mistake to change our coach and GM especially since it is a lack of quality personnel to produce rather than having the personnel and just not producing...

If it wasnt just our 4th season of existence I would agree we need a new coach, but we have barely have enough talent at the starting positions to be competitive let alone have have quality backups & off the bench impact players.

Just because we were hyped to make the step to the next level but had setbacks does not mean we need to axe the coach or GM. I say 2 more years since we have a lineman heavy draft this year. It is not like they have ignored the O Line problem. There has just never been a quality solution readily available to us.
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if you fire casserly who would you get to GM the team..that's the question to ask
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take a step back for a just a second and follow me...

4 of our 5 o-line starters have played together.

toss the "cohesion arrgument".

all of these starters have previous experience in the nfl and have never played this bad.

all of our coaches past and present had extensive experience...their pass protection schemes didnt become outdated overnight.

all of the pieces in the equation have nfl caliber experience in some form or another. dont misunderstand me...no one piece was ever great...all about average but never this bad.

this isnt a question of talent...this is a question of effort.

they dont give a ****.

casserly hasnt been perfect-----no gm is ,but the talent is here.
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I just disagree with you outofhnd and I think that the problem is coaching here. I'd be concerned with a new coach adding a couple of years to our wait for a winning season but I don't think Capers is any closer right now to one than this hypothetical new head coach.

In year four I think you should see signs that the team is on the same page. The Browns fired Palmer in his second season if I'm not mistaken (?) and that I do not doubt was far too soon to pull the trigger. Capers had four years in Carolina and I think four years in Houston is plenty of time.

I'm a little curious what you consider to be our setbacks this season. In 2003 when we had a rash of injuries that was considered a setback IMO. You can't judge a defense, or even a team properly when they're facing that kind of adversity. It's just not fair. So far in 2005 I see a linebacker and a defensive tackle hurt. Oh, and I almost forgot that we can now add a Pro Bowl wide receiver to that list who we won't miss because we haven't used him much anyway.

I just don't think we've had "setbacks" on a scale to justify this teams performance so far. They came into the season healthy and supposedly faster and better prepared than ever before. That nets us an 0-4 record and sole posession of the basement in the AFC South?
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effort.

the players have choosen a "mute course" on which to rid themselves of capers. he lost this team. mutiny is abound.

in addition to that we did loose leaders on defense over the offseason. their talent wasnt whats being missed...thier prescence is.

in addition to that we drafted "non-factors".

tj an morency were both slotted to be back up contributers. this is the 1st year our 1 wouldnt play a signifigant role.

young team+no leaders+no heart+bad coaching=a recipe for the #1 pick in the draft.
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Palmer was fired after 2 seasons in Cleveland yes for basically letting Tim Couch rot on the sidelines only to end up a scrub. Butch Davis came in took them to a wild card then they went back to being the worst team in their division, Now they have Romeo Crennel and the hopes he can turn it around. Which looks to be a 3 year plan. Considering they are playing Dilfer and not starting Frye until next year barring injury to Dilfer. Personnel and playbook changes take atleast 1 full season so we are looking at a mediocre 07 season. If they change the Defense then thats maybe over .500 08 season. If he wants a new QB/Rb/WR because of the trade value we could get with our trio, then we are looking at even longer.

Our O line has only one draft pick in it (pitts) with the rest being spares that their respective franchises would not resign... Early this offseason we went for the one tackle that would be a rock and that was Pace. He was worth it. the rest were not. They brought Riley in figuring that 8 years in the pros might make him a better protector?

How is it a coaching problem when our line man all have more than 5 years experience look terrible compared to Pitts who appears to be our best lineman? the player with only 4 years exp?.
These guys should not have to be coached on how to block. If it was bad coaching then pitts wouldnt even be starting caliber. Our problem lies in the scheme, 6-4 333+ pound men are not made to zone block. they are made to just push forward. that was Palmers fault. he was the one guy I wanted to see leave.

I honestly believe with some young linemen we could get better protection for DC these guys just arent the athletes they once were and show the slower step against speed rushers. let them draft the O line this year andgive them a year to develop it before we throw em out. I dont thinka new coach is goin to take what Dom leaves and carry on with few changes. especially Kubiak who loves the west coast offense. Defense who knows he may change us to a 4 - 3 . I say give em the chance. 2 more years cant be any worse than getting a new coach and scrapping the 1st 4 years of building this team.
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I just disagree with you outofhnd and I think that the problem is coaching here. I'd be concerned with a new coach adding a couple of years to our wait for a winning season but I don't think Capers is any closer right now to one than this hypothetical new head coach.

In year four I think you should see signs that the team is on the same page. The Browns fired Palmer in his second season if I'm not mistaken (?) and that I do not doubt was far too soon to pull the trigger. Capers had four years in Carolina and I think four years in Houston is plenty of time.

I'm a little curious what you consider to be our setbacks this season. In 2003 when we had a rash of injuries that was considered a setback IMO. You can't judge a defense, or even a team properly when they're facing that kind of adversity. It's just not fair. So far in 2005 I see a linebacker and a defensive tackle hurt. Oh, and I almost forgot that we can now add a Pro Bowl wide receiver to that list who we won't miss because we haven't used him much anyway.

I just don't think we've had "setbacks" on a scale to justify this teams performance so far. They came into the season healthy and supposedly faster and better prepared than ever before. That nets us an 0-4 record and sole posession of the basement in the AFC South?
The setbacks this year is once again tinkering with the line (Adding Riley) If you cant add a top tier talent dont add something that may be just a little better. Save it for the end all solution.

There really wasnt much in the TE market but we still are out 1 every down TE.

Palmers offense is to vanilla and has few wrinkles but you just cant make a new playbook in week 6 with different wrinkles.

We did come in here faster on Defense but when you have to play on your side of the field you start to get defeated. Things go wrong!

4 years is not nearly long enough when you are starting with virtually nothing
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What about Tom Moore, the OC for the Colts. Not only is he brilliant with offenses and OL, but we could steal him from the colts!!
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Tom Moore for what? OC? Coach? GM... be a little more specific there chief.
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Well, he's under contract so we could never get him for OC. I don't think he's really qualified for GM, so it would be for HC. We tried and failed with a defense first minded HC, so why not go full circle with an offense first HC?
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